2nd Planned Parenthood Video: Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes methods

[AuH20]

They already are doing the abortions anyway so whats wrong with selling the tissue to researchers?

Merchant of death should not be a job occupation.

 

[tod evans]

Because it creates an additional profit incentive for an already immoral and anti-liberty enterprise. Plus it is vile and desecrates the remains of the murdered innocent.

Profit and vile are prerequisites for government.

 

[fisharmor]

They already are doing the abortions anyway so whats wrong with selling the tissue to researchers?

This:

The tech firm buys fetal tissue for under $100 and then sells it to drug companies for close to $2000. The tissue suddenly becomes "human" at this point, as it is used to test human reaction to new drugs.

Abortion is legal for one reason and one reason only: the fetus is not legally a human.
They sell "fetal tissue" to researchers who then do tests on it to test human reactions.

Science has de facto unequivocally stated that these are human beings.
Thus the law is in direct opposition to science.
It's not a religious debate at this point.

The law has created two classes of human. This is not based on science.

 

[Jan2017]

"There's compensation for this . . . by the case - Patients don't get anything of course."

"How he feels about using a "less crunchy" technique to get more whole specimens."

This is link for same video without lead in comment lies by Planned Parenthood found at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGP1p6k-Iow



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[Lucille]

http://knappster.blogspot.com/2015/07/quote-of-week-cantwell-on-planned.html#SpUwu8VImmupYbkd.99

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The abortion industry IS an industry. It's a heavily government-subsidized industry.

Planned Parenthood poses as a "non-profit," but all that means is that it doesn't have stockholders who receive dividends. It's a billion dollar per year business (with half that money coming from taxpayer subsidies) with 820 local franchises. Its CEO knocks down half a million a year, and other Planned Parenthood executives and franchise managers earn $100-250k.

Planned Parenthood is a business.

More to the point, its operations fit the profile of the way "Big Business" uses government to pad and protect its profits.

I'm not just talking about that half-billion dollars per year in direct corporate welfare from Uncle Sugar, although that's obviously a big deal.

I'm also talking about its lobbying against "over the counter" contraception, which would let women bypass the Planned Parenthood doctor/prescription mill and cut down demand for its abortion services.

And its lobbying against treating abortion just like any other medical procedure (e.g. parental consent for minors, basic safety standards for clinics, etc.). And so on and so forth.

These people aren't philanthropists. They're rent-seeking, regulatory-capturing crony capitalists.

And ghoulish ones at that.

 

[juleswin]

This:



Abortion is legal for one reason and one reason only: the fetus is not legally a human.
They sell "fetal tissue" to researchers who then do tests on it to test human reactions.

Science has de facto unequivocally stated that these are human beings.
Thus the law is in direct opposition to science.
It's not a religious debate at this point.

The law has created two classes of human. This is not based on science.

Not a gotcha as you think it is. Biotech companies use rats tissue, tissue from human organs from dead or living people to simulate a human condition, that doesn't make any of those a complete human. One could argue that it is tissue from the mother that is being used and not one from another human being.

Not quite sure where I stand, but human tissue doesn't equate to a human being. Blood is also on the level of tissue, donating human blood is not donating a human being.

 

[angelatc]

I think this is not something they do a lot of so that why she was a little unsure about the price. Maybe Rand can help the justice dept sue PP if he is able to find a criminal offense in what was caught on tape.

My take on it is that they do not need to be savvy negotiators because they have tax money to cover their losses. Any extra income they can make is just icing on the dead baby cake.

Nobody who was in a real business would ever utter, "Whomever names a price first is at a disadvantage." Nobody in a real business would enter negotiations without being prepared to name a price for the product.

These are some of the most horrible, evil people on the planet, and the government keeps feeding them.

ETA: What Lucille said.

 

[KEEF]

For some reason, it makes me think of this:

 

[Sam I am]

They are making a hell of a lot more money now than they were making in the good old days of throwing fetuses in the trash can. I wonder what kind of cut the "mom" or "dad" get?

Its fucked up even thinking about this shit like we are talking about widgets being sold.

In order for that to be true, they would have to be making a hell of a lot of money. $100 per procedure does not sound like a hell of a lot of money to me.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Not a gotcha as you think it is. Biotech companies use rats tissue, tissue from human organs from dead or living people to simulate a human condition, that doesn't make any of those a complete human. One could argue that it is tissue from the mother that is being used and not one from another human being.

Not quite sure where I stand, but human tissue doesn't equate to a human being. Blood is also on the level of tissue, donating human blood is not donating a human being.

Can I chop off your arm? I need it for a science fair project and it's not a complete human so we're good.

But seriously, at least the anti-abortion people are fairly consistent by most of them taking the position that human life starts at conception. The amount of mental loopholes and finagling that the pro-choice community has to go through to explain it is frankly, by comparison, ludicrous. Sometimes I think if I were geeked up on acid I'd be able to understand it better. 'Today is still in the 1st trimester so abortion is allowed, but in 12 hours it will be tomorrow and the start of the 3rd trimester and therefore abortion is a no-no.' That, to me, seems fairly arbitrary, to be determining what does or does not qualify as a human being.

I mean, if the pro-life people are wrong, then the worst that will happen is that this mass of tissue that actually wasn't a human goes on to live a 'normal' human life of 80 years or so.

But, if one day 'science' somehow determines that the pro-choice people are wrong . . . that's a lot of dead people.

I've always felt that ethical decisions should be made based on which choice has the potential for the least amount of harm. As with Fisharmor, I can leave religion out of it. As purely a matter of non-malfeasance ('above all, do no harm'), pro-lifers hold the superior position, because even if they're wrong, it has merely led to the birth of a human.

 

[juleswin]

Can I chop off your arm? I need it for a science fair project and it's not a complete human so we're good.

Yes, but only if my hand were already cut off and was heading to the trash bin.

 

[staerker]

Also you ask competitors price so you can go back and say to your workers, X competitor were able to do it for $50, you guys figure it out and get the price down within $50 price. I just think its a bit odd that this organization that uses doctors that are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and other medical professional who are paid loads of money will try and make couple of dollars per human tissue. How many years, doctors clinics and abortions do you think it would take to make a 100k using this scheme? And at the risk of jail time and losing it all? It just doesn't add up

In the extensive world of health care industry, anyone selling you something this regulated, very limited and unique is not making any profit off it.

I think the real question is, how does a representative of an "organization that uses doctors that are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and other medical professional who are paid loads of money," enter into a professional business meeting (to discuss "shipping and handling" costs,) and not come to the meeting prepared with an accurate and precise estimate.

But, rather enters into the meeting asking for the market price of the organs they want to traffick.

I want to make it clear that you are the one making inane assumptions, incorrectly giving this organization the benefit of the doubt, when it is quite clear that a black market exchange is taking place. You can theorize about their profits and their losses, but it is completely evident that this exchange is attempting to be made at market value, not taking into consideration the actual cost it takes for their specific lab to deliver the product.

Maybe they are taking a loss? No "non-profit" would give products to a for-profit at a loss. Whether for payment in other forms/favors, or more probable, to break into the organ trafficking market, and build relationships (as evidenced by the lack of experience.)

Not a gotcha as you think it is. Biotech companies use rats tissue, tissue from human organs from dead or living people to simulate a human condition, that doesn't make any of those a complete human. One could argue that it is tissue from the mother that is being used and not one from another human being.

Not quite sure where I stand, but human tissue doesn't equate to a human being. Blood is also on the level of tissue, donating human blood is not donating a human being.

It is about incentivization. We already know the PP strongly push mothers in the direction of an abortion. Why?

 

[angelatc]

Can I chop off your arm? I need it for a science fair project and it's not a complete human so we're good.

I am thinking that using that same logic, eagle eggs aren't really eagles, and therefore I should not be breaking federal law if I make an omelette or two while camping. Good to know.

 

[staerker]

I am thinking that using that same logic, eagle eggs aren't really eagles, and therefore I should not be breaking federal law if I make an omelette or two while camping. Good to know.

Eagles are a protected species. Humans are not.

Get it straight.

 

[tod evans]

Eagles are a protected species. Humans are not.

Get it straight.

Wait a minute here!

Some "people" are so well protected just bumping them with a boob will get you charged with a felony.....

It all gets so damn confusing....

 

[RJB]

Not if you understand your place, citizen.

It all gets so damn confusing....

 

[angelatc]

Eagles are a protected species. Humans are not.

Get it straight.

Now you've gone and muddied the water. Does this mean that black lives do not, in fact, matter?

 

[juleswin]

I think the real question is, how does a representative of an "organization that uses doctors that are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and other medical professional who are paid loads of money," enter into a professional business meeting (to discuss "shipping and handling" costs,) and not come to the meeting prepared with an accurate and precise estimate.

But, rather enters into the meeting asking for the market price of the organs they want to traffick.

I want to make it clear that you are the one making inane assumptions, incorrectly giving this organization the benefit of the doubt, when it is quite clear that a black market exchange is taking place. You can theorize about their profits and their losses, but it is completely evident that this exchange is attempting to be made at market value, not taking into consideration the actual cost it takes for their specific lab to deliver the product.

Maybe they are taking a loss? No "non-profit" would give products to a for-profit at a loss. Whether for payment in other forms/favors, or more probable, to break into the organ trafficking market, and build relationships (as evidenced by the lack of experience.)



It is about incentivization. We already know the PP strongly push mothers in the direction of an abortion. Why?

Remember we are talking about market price for donation not market price for black market selling which is really the only market available for organ selling. Look, if this people were truly selling human tissue, it would be going for more than $75 a pop. The risk is way too much for the paltry reward.

And like I have been saying, if there is evidence, how come nobody in the GOP can get some federal court to charge them with a crime. At least get the case to trial and see what happens. Its not going to happen and do you know why? these reactionary politicians feigning outrage know very well that there is no crime of organ selling going on.

 

[angelatc]

Remember we are talking about market price for donation not market price for black market selling which is really the only market available for organ selling. Look, if this people were truly selling human tissue, it would be going for more than $75 a pop. The risk is way too much for the paltry reward.

And like I have been saying, if there is evidence, how come nobody in the GOP can get some federal court to charge them with a crime. At least get the case to trial and see what happens. Its not going to happen and do you know why? these reactionary politicians feigning outrage know very well that there is no crime of organ selling going on.

Bobby Jindal has ordered an investigation. As for the allegation being "heavily edited," thats how all reporters present stories. Nobody freaking posts raw footage, and in this case the 'tube is 3 hours long. But the entire unedited video is available. If there are any remarks that are indeed taken out of context, nobody I've seen seems to be pointing that out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4UjIM9B9KQ

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And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it’s not vertex,” she continues. “So if you do it starting from the breech presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last step, you can evacuate an intact calvarium at the end.”

Using ultrasound guidance to manipulate the fetus from vertex to breech orientation before intact extraction is the hallmark of the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure (18 U.S.C. 1531).

 

[RJB]

If there are any remarks that are indeed taken out of context, nobody I've seen seems to be pointing that out.

Exactly.