'24' is back: more torture than ever before!

[Brian4Liberty]

It's a fictitious television program. This is a non-issue.

I'm a big fan of 24. It's just a television show, people. It's not meant to advance any political agenda.

Except for when it has come up in Presidential Debates and various war-mongering pundits use it as if it's a justification for more government power.

 

[eric_cartman]

all the haters of this show should know that:

1) people within high levels of the US government (even the president) are involved in the terrorist attacks
2) they used muslim patsies and false evidence to start a war in the middle east
3) a big military contractor company basically goes rogue and does all sorts of bad stuff (shows how the miltiary industrial complex is out of control)
4) they basically show how a small, secretive, covert group runs the world (New World Order / Shadow Government type of stuff)

so it's not just a show that demonizes muslims and glorifies torture... it often shows that high level people within the US government are just as bad as the muslim terrorists. Jack Bauer is such an awesome character because not only does he go after the Muslim terrorits ... he also goes after people in the US government and military... including the president himself!

 

[Weston White]

It's a fictitious television program. This is a non-issue.

Not really, it is a covert medium to systematically brainwash the masses. It is designed to alter social perceptions of what is acceptably right from what is (or used to be) morally wrong (e.g., torture is cool, yes torturing 'tis fun, I want to become a Jack Bauer and torture everyone). That much is made even clearer simply by reading many of the prior posts within this thread.

I have never seen a single show, and will continue boycotting such deplorable propaganda as that. Instead, I will stick to shows that serve a higher intellectual or creative purpose such as “Fringe” (which just completed its fifth and final season), for example.

 

[CPUd]

Not really, it is a covert medium to systematically brainwash the masses. It is designed to alter social perceptions of what is acceptably right from what is (or used to be) morally wrong (e.g., torture is cool, yes torturing 'tis fun, I want to become a Jack Bauer and torture everyone). That much is made even clearer simply by reading many of the prior posts within this thread.

I have never seen a single show, and will continue boycotting such deplorable propaganda as that. Instead, I will stick to shows that serve a higher intellectual or creative purpose such as “Fringe” (which just completed its fifth and final season), for example.

LOLOL

 

[Weston White]

LOLOL

Yuppers, I have been completely turned off by every single preview/commercial I have seen about it and more so by every article/debate I have come across regarding that stupid show.

* Also noteworthy is how “CSI” has served to greatly alter the public’s expectation of law enforcement into something that is beyond all reasonableness, existing outside the realm of human obtainment and technological possibility.

 

[fr33]

I remember Rush Limbaugh promoting 24. It'll happen again.

"Club Gitmo" is so nice. We could only be so lucky if Rush had the balls of the gitmo prisoners to starve himself. They are more republican than he is.

 

[anaconda]

I had a teacher for C++ programming that was a producer and writer (Michael Loceff). My course number was used in an episode as a computer password. "CIS15A." The JAVA course, "CIS27A" was also used as a computer password in another episode.

 

[Warlord]

all the haters of this show should know that:

1) people within high levels of the US government (even the president) are involved in the terrorist attacks
2) they used muslim patsies and false evidence to start a war in the middle east
3) a big military contractor company basically goes rogue and does all sorts of bad stuff (shows how the miltiary industrial complex is out of control)
4) they basically show how a small, secretive, covert group runs the world (New World Order / Shadow Government type of stuff)

so it's not just a show that demonizes muslims and glorifies torture... it often shows that high level people within the US government are just as bad as the muslim terrorists. Jack Bauer is such an awesome character because not only does he go after the Muslim terrorits ... he also goes after people in the US government and military... including the president himself!

All of this is outweighed by the terrorist and constitution hating propaganda at least in this Warlord's mind.

Yes I know it's just a "show" but that stuff is subtle and powerful. People will expect their Federal agencies like the CIA to have unlimited power, to torture in order to "break" the terrorist and whatever else abuse of power is slipped in there.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

It's a great show if you take it as pure entertainment.

[video=vimeo;12161573]http://vimeo.com/12161573[/video]

What happened to the rest of the president's motorcade? Why did they allow him to drive on the street with other traffic like a sitting duck? Where was the police?

 

[EBounding]

What happened to the rest of the president's motorcade? Why did they allow him to drive on the street with other traffic like a sitting duck? Where was the police?

I forget the details, but Bauer managed to get the traffic redirected down that alleyway. Yes, I'm serious.

 

[osan]

I watched a few episodes of the first season and found it childish. It was fairly clear to me to be a conditioning program. The tacit elements were all there - good government stooges... erm, I mean agents against the eville sand negros. I was not going to give that my time and attention.

What astounded me, and I use that word advisedly, was that it lasted for what... maybe four years? Same old bullshit repackaged with new sand negroes. That shit is so transparent to me and yet so few others appeared to see it... perhaps I am hallucinating?

We had no TV in the house for 2+ years. Got it back when wife was bed-ridden during chemo. As of the 24th of this month it is once again out and for my money will never be allowed back in. Television is one of the most acutely dangerous technologies ever developed by human beings. It is disease and I can only recommend people tune it out. The fact that people become so testy, like smokers trying to go cold turkey, when TV is not available should tell one volumes about its nature.

As with virtually everything that is on TV, "24" is crap glorification of the "the state", condemnation of the boogey man... the eville Muslim sand negro. Jesus... and to think of how many people who blather on endlessly about "racism" and tolerance and all the endless PC bullshit marinate their minds in poison such as this. How crazy sick with stupidity and hypocrisy is that?

You can keep that cheap thrills masturbatory vicarious bullshit. I'll pass.

 

[osan]

Most of what Jack does is not government sanctioned though since most of the time he has gone rogue!

Have you ever, and I mean EVER considered with any analytic care what, if anything, that phrase actually means? I will not go into the analysis here, though you can read on it here: http://freedomisobvious.blogspot.com/2010/03/state.html

Suffice to say that the phrase is utterly devoid of substantive meaning and in fact relies on pure innuendo and other bullshit provided by the ignorance and compliant nature of each recipient for its devastating power.

But if for conversation's sake we assume otherwise, the fact that such a character proceeds from crisis to crisis without ever being held accountable for his actions demonstrates in a prima facie and apodictic manner that what he does is in point of fact most definitely "government sanctioned".

Some folks really do need to slow it down, take a breath and start actually thinking about, well... their thoughts about such things.

Mercy.

 

[EBounding]

Have you ever, and I mean EVER considered with any analytic care what, if anything, that phrase actually means? I will not go into the analysis here, though you can read on it here: http://freedomisobvious.blogspot.com/2010/03/state.html

Suffice to say that the phrase is utterly devoid of substantive meaning and in fact relies on pure innuendo and other bullshit provided by the ignorance and compliant nature of each recipient for its devastating power.

But if for conversation's sake we assume otherwise, the fact that such a character proceeds from crisis to crisis without ever being held accountable for his actions demonstrates in a prima facie and apodictic manner that what he does is in point of fact most definitely "government sanctioned".

Some folks really do need to slow it down, take a breath and start actually thinking about, well... their thoughts about such things.

Mercy.

Of course he's never accountable. He's Jack Bauer If he had to face the consequences the show would be over.

 

[Brett85]

all the haters of this show should know that:

1) people within high levels of the US government (even the president) are involved in the terrorist attacks
2) they used muslim patsies and false evidence to start a war in the middle east
3) a big military contractor company basically goes rogue and does all sorts of bad stuff (shows how the miltiary industrial complex is out of control)
4) they basically show how a small, secretive, covert group runs the world (New World Order / Shadow Government type of stuff)

so it's not just a show that demonizes muslims and glorifies torture... it often shows that high level people within the US government are just as bad as the muslim terrorists. Jack Bauer is such an awesome character because not only does he go after the Muslim terrorits ... he also goes after people in the US government and military... including the president himself!

Yep, and it also illustrates the principle of "blowback" in a couple different seasons.

 

[moostraks]

Excessive exposure to propaganda will fuck with your head if you don't have a solid intellectual/philosophical foundation. If you know about rhetoric and fallacies, you can have a bit of fun pointing out the poor logic on television shows (not to mention bad dialogue/screenwriting/story telling).

I think that those who are so nonchalant about the fact that it is subtle propaganda need to read this and take heed. It seems that 24 is popular with those who have a slippery position on the methods that are employed by the main character, whether they overtly agree with the government sanctioned usage or some rogue character based upon necessary circumstances. Listening to some here try and convince others there is something worthy in the show because of what "conspiracy theories" it exposes indicates how they have made it palatable to a specific audience needing "re-educated".

 

[Brett85]

And it shows Jack Bauer as being anti war. He does everything he possibly can to stop a war in the Middle East at the end of Season 2.

 

[eric_cartman]

What happened to the rest of the president's motorcade? Why did they allow him to drive on the street with other traffic like a sitting duck? Where was the police?

in this season, he was the former president

 

[emazur]

But if for conversation's sake we assume otherwise, the fact that such a character proceeds from crisis to crisis without ever being held accountable for his actions demonstrates in a prima facie and apodictic manner that what he does is in point of fact most definitely "government sanctioned".

Actually Jack Bauer was brutally tortured for years in Chinese prison for accidentally killing some people at the embassy in pursuit of someone with knowledge of a ticking time bomb situation. The only reason the U.S. government decided to make a deal with the Chinese to get him out was so they could then turn him over to a an enemy for the purpose of killing Bauer for revenge.

In fact, time after time Bauer got screwed over and his life turned upside down.

 

[Falcon63]

Okay, you guys are overly paranoid. Holy shit, let me guess, you don't watch action or adventure movies either because they promote violence?

Like I said, it's a fictitious television show. It doesn't promote anything because it is fictitious and purely used as entertainment and to make money. I laugh incredibly hard at all the anti-television pussies, because that is exactly what they are: pussies.

Either watch the show or don't. I find it entertaining. It does not "condition" me. I am still anti-war and anti-torture. If you're really that butthurt, too bad, stop being a little girl.

If you're really that influenced by a FICTITIOUS television show, you're weak-minded and deserve to be "conditioned".

 

[SilentBull]

This is a mistake. That show went on for too long. Now they bring it back? It should have ended around season 5.