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Except to demonize Muslims and promote torture/war
Except to demonize Muslims and promote torture/war
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I agree. That entire notion is foolish.
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24 promotes torture/war and the survellience state.
EVERY piece of information can be hit up in an instant.. phone records, emails, pictures etc... this is the governments dream and now the sheeple have been conditioned to expect this from their federal agencies to keep us safe from those Muslim terrorists.
Shows like 24 condition this and the laws and technology soon follows
EVERY piece of information can be hit up in an instant.. phone records, emails, pictures etc... this is the governments dream and now the sheeple have been conditioned to expect this from their federal agencies to keep us safe from those Muslim terrorists.
Shows like 24 condition this and the laws and technology soon follows
It's always shown as some type of ticking time bomb scenario, not what happens or should happen under normal circumstances.
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It's not a show to "condition" people into approving torture. It's a fictional show, Jack is the show hero, sometimes he uses torture on bad guys with an iron-clad case against them. Yes, it is convenient that the hero only tortures known bad guys in a ticking time bomb situation. If he was presented as a hero who tortured 10 suspects and only 1 was the bad guy but that one act lead to a good conclusion, I'd think differently. The 24 producers' other show, Homeland, actually has its foundation built upon the fact the killing/hurting innocent people leads to blowback (the term blowback is actually used and some in the CIA are made out to be the bad guys. On that note, there plenty of government employees revealed to be bad guys over 24's run including the U.S. president).
My own thinking of torture is that if there really is a "ticking time bomb" situation and the interrogator decides to use torture, he does so entirely on his own risk: if he's wrong he should be thrown in jail for a long time. It the threat really was "imminent", it shouldn't take long to find out whether or not the torture was arguably justifiable.
I just got done watching Season 3. I think that may actually be the best season. I actually liked Season 1 a lot for some reason as well. The ending was really gripping.
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This^ 24 is a great show.
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The constitution has no exceptions.
But the 4th and 5th doesn't exist in 24's world.
Just emboldens the despots in power and conditions the public to think their abuse is acceptable.
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Most of what Jack does is not government sanctioned though since most of the time he has gone rogue!
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The US constitution has few exceptions.
Normalizing abuse by authority, glamorizing it and demonizing Muslims emboldens the people in power and makes it seem acceptable if not expected by the dumbed down masses.
Rand Paul defends the Bill of Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR13xkOwtxU
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized'
Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
'No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.'
I suppose things portrayed in 24 and in the "ticking time bomb" scenario might be permissible under 'public danger' but not the assassinations, torture, incriminating yourself in interviews, threats, intimidation, detention and unwarranted searches, seizures, wire taps or other surveillance activities done at a drop of the hat in the show.
Normalizing abuse by authority, glamorizing it and demonizing Muslims emboldens the people in power and makes it seem acceptable if not expected by the dumbed down masses.
Rand Paul defends the Bill of Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR13xkOwtxU
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution
'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized'
Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
'No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.'
I suppose things portrayed in 24 and in the "ticking time bomb" scenario might be permissible under 'public danger' but not the assassinations, torture, incriminating yourself in interviews, threats, intimidation, detention and unwarranted searches, seizures, wire taps or other surveillance activities done at a drop of the hat in the show.
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Turn off your TVs and read, people!
AND it gives me wood!!!
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best scene ever?
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