101 Reasons to move to New Hampshire

[cheapseats]

...plenty of rural farmland up there...

NOT to piss on this parade, on the contrary. In my view, Intentional Communities are a THE MORE, THE MERRIER proposition.

But I remind Free State Project people that New Hampshire is a SMALL state. If people SWARMED into New Hampshire the way they SWARMED into California, Liberty Lovers would find themselves with less liberty SEPARATELY from increased laws 'n taxes. SPEND A WEEK IN LOS ANGELES to really "get the feel" of lots 'n lots 'n lots more vehicles on your streets. SPEND A WEEK IN NEW YORK, to get the feel of lots 'n lots 'n lots more pedestrians.

Stipulated, New Hampshirites would not APPROVE benefits for Needy Arrivals. But being Liberty Lovers, they could also not logically PREVENT the arrival of however many of Whoever in whatever condition.

SHEER NUMBERS tax infrastructure as well as tempers. And NOWHERE in America is where I see Americans actually willing to let people DROP WHERE THEY FALL, then step over the corpses. What they do is MOVE AWAY from the up-close-and-personal Poverty Ponzi Scheme. They move "out to the suburbs" or "into the country" or "up to the mountains", and gripe about not wanting to pay for OTHERS to not have to step over the corpses.

Word to Wise: Rioters have WISED UP some, about trashing their own 'hoods. Plus, if it comes down to MAYHEM FOR FOOD, their 'hoods ain't got the goods.

Peter Falk, COLOMBO: "And another thing..."

The FEWER the pockets of Conscientiously Different Drummers, the EASIER it is to TRULY piss on their parades. Intentional Communities are also a THE MORE, THE SAFER proposition.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

In a SHTF scenario, Northern New Hampshire will generally be fine. There is plenty of rural farmland up there with people producing things at least half the year. Manchester, NH, on the other hand, will not be so good. Nashua, NH as well I can imagine having some serious problems because of its proximity to Boston. Anywhere from Concord north should be fine.

The real question newyearsrev, is whether you think your wife could get a job in NH. Scour the job market and see what you can find. Note that NH is more affluent than the average state and has a much lower unemployment rate. The situation in Texas isn't as rosy as Rick Perry and the media make it seem. I would look into one of the many suburbs NH has for a compromise. In a SHTF scenario, you are removed from the big cities, but at the same time, you are close enough to them that your wife could probably find a job. Good luck in your search!

My wife is a registered nurse so any government hospital will do for now (for her), I am self employeed (and garden full time fruits/veggies/meds) so I can go anywhere. I see her getting an RN job far higher in NH than Montana or Texas at the moment.

We won't know until she LOCKS A JOB IN though.

I guess on teh scenarios though, if shtf it doesn't matter the state but rather being prepared OR not. With montana and nh we can run to canada if need be but texas would leave us too close to the mexican border for my liking and in a shtf scenario, that is NOT where I want to be (personally too damn hot).

I guess it is new hampshire or montana then. I want to end up homesteading in the end however, allow my wife to barter nursing skills for others around us and what they might have to offer. I want to barter my online and gardening services with others and go more that route, a local economy not regulated or really focused on FRN's with that I see NH and the FSP members being valuable unlike montana.

 

[Acala]

My wife is a registered nurse so any government hospital will do for now (for her), I am self employeed (and garden full time fruits/veggies/meds) so I can go anywhere. I see her getting an RN job far higher in NH than Montana or Texas at the moment.

We won't know until she LOCKS A JOB IN though.

I guess on teh scenarios though, if shtf it doesn't matter the state but rather being prepared OR not. With montana and nh we can run to canada if need be but texas would leave us too close to the mexican border for my liking and in a shtf scenario, that is NOT where I want to be (personally too damn hot).

I guess it is new hampshire or montana then. I want to end up homesteading in the end however, allow my wife to barter nursing skills for others around us and what they might have to offer. I want to barter my online and gardening services with others and go more that route, a local economy not regulated or really focused on FRN's with that I see NH and the FSP members being valuable unlike montana.

You both have good Big Reset job skills. Congratulations!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

That is exactly what I was thinking.

I can teach people how to feed themselves and my wife can help keep them alive otherwise seems like the perfect team!

 

[TCE]

+Rep! Hope the move works out for you!

 

[Karsten]

I'm moving to tahoe. Hiking, gambling, and the Bunny Ranch is just a short drive. We're all looking for different kinds of freedom.

 

[Keith and stuff]

New Hampshire has the 2nds lowest average check engine light labor repair costs.

Lowest Average Check Engine Light Labor Repair Costs by State – 2011
(Source: CarMD.com Corp., CarMD® Vehicle Health Index™)

Ranking State Labor
1 Vermont $98.90
2 New Hampshire $101.19
3 Massachusetts $104.78
4 Maryland $106.52
5 Indiana $107.85
46 California $130.54
47 Montana $136.00
48 Utah $138.21
49 Wyoming $141.48
50 Colorado $143.17


New Hampshire has the 5th lowest average check engine light overall car repair cost. NH is sandwiched between the 2nd lowest average cost state and the 8th lowest average cost state.

Lowest Average Check Engine Light Total Car Repair Costs by State – 2011
(Source: CarMD.com Corp., CarMD® Vehicle Health Index™)
http://corp.carmd.com/Page/Detail/214?subId=215

Ranking State Labor Parts Total Bill
1 Indiana $107.85 $176.10 $283.95
2 Maine $113.65 $175.91 $289.56
3 Wisconsin $108.95 $180.95 $289.90
4 Iowa $112.59 $177.32 $289.91
5 New Hampshire $101.19 $191.47 $292.66
46 Arizona $129.18 $233.47 $362.65
47 Montana $136.00 $228.29 $364.29
48 California $130.54 $237.32 $367.86
49 Utah $138.21 $240.33 $378.54
50 Wyoming $141.48 $247.70 $389.18

Other Key Findings:
The top five states with the highest car repair costs are from the West, including Wyoming, Utah, California, Montana and Arizona. This can partially be attributed to higher amounts of airborne dust. By putting off replacing air filters in western states, vehicle owners put their vehicles’ mass air flow sensors at risk. On average, this is a $400 repair.

Three of five states with the lowest car repair costs are from the Midwest, including: Indiana, Wisconsin and Iowa. Rounding out the most affordable states for auto repair are Maine and New Hampshire from the Northeastern U.S.

Boston.com had an article about this.

 

[coastie]

Two reasons I won't go:

1. Was born there(portsmouth/Pease AFB), then, by coincidence, stationed there 25 yrs later. Been there done that. A little over rated, IMO...(I was harassed by the cops several times while stationed there, didn't feel very"free" to me.)

2. Too damn cold for MOST of the year. It was 40 degrees and raining when I left my ship May 20, 2005. It was 85 and sunny when I arrived in Florida 24 hours later. Now that's what I'm talking about.

 

[groverblue]

New Hampshire is a joke. They should change their motto from "Live Free or Die" to "Do What We're Told Because We're Bitches". They had chances in 2008 and 2012 to prove they are really the "Live Free or Die" state, but now it's clear they are nothing but punks. Fuck New Hampshire.

 

[Keith and stuff]

New Hampshire is a joke.

I agree! I was recently elected in NH and my entire campaign only cost me $2. It is pathetic how easy it is for a pro-liberty activist to get elected in NH.

They should change their motto from "Live Free or Die" to "Do What We're Told Because We're Bitches". They had chances in 2008 and 2012 to prove they are really the "Live Free or Die" state, but now it's clear they are nothing but punks. Fuck New Hampshire.

NH is the freest state in the county. It was rated so in both the 2011 study and the 2009 study.

If you look at the 2008 or 2010 elections, you will notice that NH elected more pro-liberty candidates than any other state did. I am certain that history will repeat itself and in November 2012, more pro-liberty candidates will be elected in NH than any other state.

If you look at the 2012 election, you will notice that Ron Paul did best in NH. In 2008, you could argue that Ron Paul did the best in NH considering various factors but it is also easy to argue against that case. He did raise the most money per capita from NH in 2008, from what I understand. In fact, my understanding is that Ron Paul may have not even ran for President a 2nd time if he didn't raise certain money in NH at a fundraiser I attended in 2007.

I don't know if you realize this but last year a Moderator of this forum moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project and this year another Moderator of this forum moved to New Hampshire. In fact, these Moderators didn't just move to NH, they brought other pro-liberty activists with them to NH. Thank you Moderators

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

We are about to make a move and are deciding between Montana, Texas and New Hampshire.

They each have their own perks but as this expands I see all 3 of those being apart of this anyways SO maybe I can focus on getting land in each.

In long term goals which 5 states to do you see us "taking back" or higher priority? Odds are some were close to NH when you were choosing.

We are looking to move SOMEWHERE away from CALIFORNIA in the next 6 months to a year.

I work for myself and my wife is a new RN, hows the medical field in NH? I know that is for sure hit n miss in Montana but texas still has decent jobs for nurses.

I want to go where it makes sense to go and I have been watching free state project videos from NH all morning and afternoon and feel sold LOL. Felt like I just finished one of those time share demos in vegas but in a good way lol.

any info would be great.

You have two dynamics at play here. You have the liberty movement as a whole and states where Paul supporters are gaining a political foothold. It's hard to say how long it will take to take these states back. States like the Dakotas and Montana already have a libertarian streak and distrust of government ingrained in them. Of course Maine and NH also have a bit of that streak as well, but there are also enormous amounts of liberals and independents in those states which skews things slightly. In any SHTF scenario I would dread living on the east coast. I think you're essential toast due to the population density and chances for civil unrest are much greater. Smaller states you get more of a sense of community so cohesion would last longer or endure.

I think our top states go something like this:

New Hampshire

Iowa

Maine

North Dakota

South Dakota

Alaska

Minnesota

Montana

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Have you seen this film yet?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Most people around here are well aware that New Hampshire is the most important state when it comes to Presidential primaries. Heck, NH is the state which popularized the whole primary process. Presidential candidates used to get selected in smoke filled rooms where the people had no say in the process.

According to Nate Silver, individual voters in NH are extremely important when in comes to the general election. In fact, a vote in the general election in NH is worth about 74 or more votes in most states according to the prediction.

This information comes from Nate Silver and is shown here http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/. The info is accurate as of today, 6/26.

Return on Investment Index
The relative likelihood that an individual voter would determine the Electoral College winner.
1 Va. 9.5
2 Nev. 8.8
3 N.H. 7.4
4 Iowa 6.8
5 Colo. 5.7
14 Del. 0.1
15 Minn. 0.1
...

Edit, this information changes frequently. For example, as of right now on 6/29, the numbers are as follow:
Return on Investment Index
The relative likelihood that an individual voter would determine the Electoral College winner.
1 NH 8.0
2 NV 7.6
3 OH 6.6
4 VA 5.5
5 IA 5.1
6 CO 4.5
15 MN 0.2

 

[TCE]

You have two dynamics at play here. You have the liberty movement as a whole and states where Paul supporters are gaining a political foothold. It's hard to say how long it will take to take these states back. States like the Dakotas and Montana already have a libertarian streak and distrust of government ingrained in them. Of course Maine and NH also have a bit of that streak as well, but there are also enormous amounts of liberals and independents in those states which skews things slightly. In any SHTF scenario I would dread living on the east coast. I think you're essential toast due to the population density and chances for civil unrest are much greater. Smaller states you get more of a sense of community so cohesion would last longer or endure.

I think our top states go something like this:

New Hampshire

Iowa

Maine

North Dakota

South Dakota

Alaska

Minnesota

Montana

My list would be: New Hampshire, Wyoming (very reasonable population and was the runner-up for the Free State Project http://freestateproject.org/news/releases/nhrelease.php), Montana, North Dakota (smaller population than South Dakota), SD, and then Alaska, but that's another story for another day.

As far as your east coast in a shtf scenario goes, the response by cheapseats notwithstanding, northern New Hampshire is not exactly a population density nightmare. I refuse to believe people in a shtf scenario will flock to the country where it is wide open and there is plenty of space to die in the middle of nowhere. People flock to the cities to riot. Washington D.C. will be the last place on earth you want to be. If shtf is a serious concern, Northern New Hampshire is where you want to be if that is where you are headed. If it a serious, serious concern, go for Montana or North Dakota.

 

[Keith and stuff]

NH beaches rated #2 in Beach water quality according to the Natural Resources Defense Council. 30 states have ocean or great lakes beaches. Of those states, 2 of the 12 5 star rated beaches are in NH.

Amy Bassett, spokesman for the [New Hampshire] state Division of Parks and Recreation, said she wasn't surprised by the latest ratings for the two beaches. “Hampton Beach and Wallis Sands [State Beach] have been on that list for several years,” she said.

The 5-star rating is good for New Hampshire's beach business, according to B.J. “Doc” Noel, president of the Hampton Area Chamber of Commerce.

“It obviously adds another dimension to the quality of the area,” he said. “In today's environment, with respect to health issues, families feel comfortable and they feel safe in the water.”

The picture wasn't so rosy at other beaches across the country. The report said that last year the nation's beaches saw the third-highest number of closing and advisory days issued in 22 years, raising concerns about stormwater runoff, sewage pollution and other contaminants from humans and animal waste that can make swimmers ill.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120627/NEWHAMPSHIRE03/706289981

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

My list would be: New Hampshire, Wyoming (very reasonable population and was the runner-up for the Free State Project http://freestateproject.org/news/releases/nhrelease.php), Montana, North Dakota (smaller population than South Dakota), SD, and then Alaska, but that's another story for another day.

As far as your east coast in a shtf scenario goes, the response by cheapseats notwithstanding, northern New Hampshire is not exactly a population density nightmare. I refuse to believe people in a shtf scenario will flock to the country where it is wide open and there is plenty of space to die in the middle of nowhere. People flock to the cities to riot. Washington D.C. will be the last place on earth you want to be. If shtf is a serious concern, Northern New Hampshire is where you want to be if that is where you are headed. If it a serious, serious concern, go for Montana or North Dakota.

Wyoming is very sparsely populated, but I didn't include it because I've heard next to nothing from that state as far as liberty activism goes. You'd literally have to start at nothing there, whereas other states you could get plugged into something productive fairly quickly.

 

[matt0611]

How does the property tax work in New Hampshire? If one were to move there where are some good places to look into?

 

[Keith and stuff]

How does the property tax work in New Hampshire? If one were to move there where are some good places to look into?

Normally, there is the town property tax (decided by voters in full day town meetings), the county property tax (decided by the state reps in the county), school district property tax (decided by the voters in the school district on school budget voting day) and state school property tax (decided by the state government).

I am single so I rent a room. Renting a room is typically $325 - $450 per month in NH plus maybe a share of some utilities for newbies and $250 - $400 per month plus maybe a share of some utilities if you have lived in NH for a few years and have made several connections. That, of course, includes property taxes.

The town property tax varies from really high in towns where people want lots of government services to very low or zero in towns where people want few services or unincorporated extremely rural areas.

The county property taxes tend to be lower in the rural and conservative leaning counties. All of the state reps in a particular county have a say in county property taxes. While all counties have property taxes, some of the unincorporated extremely rural areas in Coos County don't have to pay them.

School district property taxes are decided by how much the voters in a district decide to spend on school budget day. Typically, the more students per district as a percentage of the population, the higher the school district property taxes. So, for example, the towns in the mountains and Lake Region tend to have less kids so they have lower school district property taxes or in extreme cases, none at all. That isn't true for the largest city in NH; though, as the people of Manchester purposely spend very little on schools compared to other cities and many towns in NH.

The state school property tax was created in response to a NH Supreme Court decision which said that the state government has to help fund government education in NH. It tends to be low and is a scheme where taxes are collected locally via property taxes and slightly redistributed and sent to local school districts to spend.

A few very rural parts of NH don't have property taxes. However, very few people choose to live in these places as the government roads are few and far between and if people want government services, they often have to contract for them with near-by town governments. You want power? Make it yourself. You want water? Dig a well.

Many of the towns in the North County and the Lakes Region have low property taxes (rates and average bills). A few communities in other parts of NH, such as the the Seacoast tend to have low rates but in some of the communities the average home price tends to be high. Generally, people pay higher property tax bills in college towns, towns which border college towns, in the Seacoast and suburban areas near MA and in the suburbs of Manchester and Nashua.

If you want to have lower property taxes bills, your best bets are multi-unit buildings, very low prices homes, very low priced homes in town where the average price of a home is high, avoiding college towns, in the North County or in the Lakes Region.

Perhaps the freest town in the US is Grafton but it does have property taxes. People in Seabook pay the lowest average property tax bills in the Seacoast of NH. Of the larger cities in NH (25,000+), people pay the lowest average property taxes in Manchester and Rochester.

Good places to look into? It depends on what you want. I know people that move up from MA. Some of them start out by keeping their job in MA and moving to a town in NH near the NH/MA border such as Salem, Derry or Nashua. For a single mover coming from a far away state, I recommend renting a room in someone's house or apartment for a few months in Manchester, Dover, Keene, Nashua, Salem, Derry, Rochester, Portsmouth, Concord or somewhere near one of those places and looking for a job and place to live.

Shem could likely give you some advice on southeastern NH as he knows several recent movers to various towns in southeastern NH.

 

[Keith and stuff]

41% of the US and state legislators who endorsed Ron Paul are New Hampshire legislators. 13% of the legislators are from Maine if you don't count State Representative Ryan Harmon's endorsement and 14% are from Maine if you do count his endorsement. Rep Harmon originally endorsed Ron Paul but then changed his mind and endorsed Mitt Romney.

The highest ranking legislator to endorse Ron Paul was Senator Rand Paul.

Out of the 5 early states of IA, NH, SC, FL and NV, 80% of the endorsements came from NH legislators.

According to Wikipedia, all 3 of the legislator who endorsed Gary Johnson are also New Hampshire legislators.

http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/ronpaulendorsements/

 

[Keith and stuff]

A much larger percentage of the total state population voted for Ron Paul in New Hampshire in 2012 than in most other states. NH did this despite not having an open primary where all voters are allowed to vote in a Republican primary. In NH, only Republican and undeclared voters could vote in the Republican primary. In the 7 next best states (VT, MT, SC, WI, IN, VA, MI) all voters (even Democrats) were allowed to vote in the Republican primary. Lots and lots of Democrats did vote in Republican primaries.

In fact, the next highest state in the same category as NH was NC where 1.1% of the population voted for Ron Paul. Ron Paul received about 4 times as many votes as a percentage of the state population in NH as he did NC did.

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the 2012 Republican Primaries or Republican Caucuses, ranked highest to lowest (and the 2008 percentage):
1. New Hampshire 4.3%
2. Vermont 2.4%
3. Montana 2%
4. South Carolina 1.7%
5. Wisconsin 1.5%
46. Maine 0.2%
47. Hawaii 0.1%
48. New York 0.1%
49. Kansas 0.1%
50. Wyoming 0.1%

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary or Republican Caucus, ranked highest to lowest by color:
Red 5% to 3% (NH)
Orange 2.9% to 2% (VT MT)
Yellow 1.9% to 1% (SC WI IN VA MI NC OH NE)
Light Green 0.9% to 0.5% (OR IA PA SC TN OK AR TX IL WV AL FL GA AZ MA KY ID MO NM)
Green less than 0.5% (ND AK MS CA MD UT DE RI NJ MN LA NV CT WA CO ME HI NY KS WY)