Your personal favorite Founding Father
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Any American involved in the cause for liberty that began when the British began to encroach on our rights in the early 1760s and/or became involved in the Revolutionary War, signing of the Declaration of Independence, creating of the Articles of Confederation, and, finally, the Constitution. Generally, any prominent American up previous to the War of 1812 (Although some would argue that date is too late).
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lol @ all the hate for Mr. Alexander Hamilton. You all wish you were as much of a success story as he.
Born a trick baby to a poor mom in the islands and orphaned before he turned a teen; yet he was able to methodically work his way up to being one of the elite of a new nation. I guarantee nobody could have predicted at his birth that he would be leading one side of one of the most important debates in modern civilization. Sure, disagree with his views -- although so far his side has been winning -- but at least you knew his position and he fought for it. He even died like a man, he was no chickenhawk and better than any of the current presidential candidates (excepting Dr. Paul).
Born a trick baby to a poor mom in the islands and orphaned before he turned a teen; yet he was able to methodically work his way up to being one of the elite of a new nation. I guarantee nobody could have predicted at his birth that he would be leading one side of one of the most important debates in modern civilization. Sure, disagree with his views -- although so far his side has been winning -- but at least you knew his position and he fought for it. He even died like a man, he was no chickenhawk and better than any of the current presidential candidates (excepting Dr. Paul).
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I actually happen to personally like Hamilton a lot. Some of his policies weren't great but he was a total bad ass and destroyed reputations better than even Ron Paul's ad making team. I am saddened the scoundrel Burr took him out though, what a way to go down.
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I only dislike his political view. It's an epic fail. As a person I have nothing against him. He was actually a pretty good writer, and duped a helluva lot of people. 
I hope to one day be as good a scam artist as he was. Good thing Burr was a good shot. 
Bet it rather sucked to be shot by the sort of pistol he was hit with. It took him a week or so to die, IIRC. If the revolutionaries had just seceded instead of fighting that ridiculous war, there wouldn't have been a need for what Hamilton did and he wouldn't have gotten shot for it. Karma's a bitch.
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Jefferson was also an a-hole. He claimed to be the people's person but he also owned slaves.
Also, he was incredibly cruel to Nikolo Tesla. Tesla had some great inventions but unfortunately Jefferson was the first to mass market his "discovery" verse Tesla.
Huh. Nikola Tesla and Thomas Jefferson on the same timeline? You been around a powerful Tesla coil or sumthin'?
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As of the current poll results, it seems the Anti-Federalists are blowing the Federalists out of the water. It may be time to institute some alien and sedition acts up in here to balance things out. (Corny historical joke, I know. I still love my boy Adams, thank you David McCullough)
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Nicola Tesla was born in 1856 fyi.
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It is not uncommon for political leaders to pay lip service to Christianity, leading people to believe that they are Christians, when in fact they are not. I personally know a few politicians who are in fact atheists, but to avoid being unfairly attacked by zealous Christians, they just go through the motions of attending Church once in a while so they will not have to deal with the issue. I wish they will stand up, but it is not my place to name them. Some notable politicians/leaders who many think are Christians:
Frederick II. Holy Roman Emperor (1194-1250):
Accused by Pope Gregory IX of having said the world had been deceived by three impostors--Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.
Frederick the Great. Prussian king (1712-1786):
Superstition is the weakness of the human mind, which is inseparably tied up with it; it has always existed, and always will.
Religion is the idol of the mob; it adores everything it does not understand. . . . We know the crimes that fanaticism in religion has caused.
The imbecile priests! The best destiny they can look for is that they and their vile artifices will forever remain buried in the darkness of oblivion.
Napoleon Bonaparte. French dictator (1769-1821):
All religions have been made by men.
If I have a soul, then pigs and dogs have souls.
When we are dead, we are simply dead.
If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal life-giver would be my god.
Everything is more or less organized matter. To think so is against religion, but I think so just the same.
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
In all countries, religion is useful to the government; it should be used to control the minds of the people.
Priests have everywhen and everywhere introduced fraud and falsehood.
If I had believed in a God of rewards and punishments, I might have lost courage in battle.
Abraham Lincoln. American president (1809-65):
My earlier view of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.
Georges Clemenceau. French statesman (1841-1929):
Archbishop of Paris to Clemenceau: "Is it really true, monsieur, that you do not believe in God?" Clemenceau: "And you, monsieur?"
Benito Mussolini. Italian dictator (1883-1945):
Religion is a species of mental disease. It has always had a pathological reaction on mankind.
The God of the theologians is the creation of their empty heads.
The history of the saints is mainly the history of insane people.
Note: In order to obtain the cooperation of the Vatican and thereby consolidate his authority in Italy, Mussolini abandoned his public support of atheism during the late twenties, and by the early thirties he regularly attended church services.
Adolph Hitler. German dictator (1889-1945):
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.
To make death easier for people, the Church holds out to them the bait of a better world. We, for our part, confine ourselves to asking man to fashion his life worthily. For this, it is sufficient for him to conform to the laws of nature.
If my presence on earth is providential, I owe it to a superior will.
Note: Raised a Catholic, Hitler kept his atheism a secret except in conversations with close friends that were recorded by Martin Bormann and later published by Hugh Trevor-Roper.
Jessie Ventura. Governor of Minnesota (1951- ):
Religion: a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo136.html
Alexander Hamilton put forward an amendment to make the president elected for life during the convention.
He believed that the government could do whatever it wanted to, unless it was specifically restricted by the constitution.
He believed that government should help business.
He is the father of big government. He is no friend to liberty.
I respect his life story, but to me that runs secondary to almost singlehandedly screwing up this country's future.
And Burr was a self serving asshole, I'm not defending him. He was a federalist as well.
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What a convincing argument: basically saying the founders might seem Christian but no, no, no: because that doesn't fit your agenda, your going to quote a few random guys and "prove" that the founders were indeed just out to dupe the masses through hypocritical Christian proclamations even though there is absolutely no evidence to validate this claim.
And Hitler and Mussolini.... really, who believes they were actually Christian. Hitler believed in astrology and other superstitions combined with extreme Darwinian racism.
Lincoln was at one time an atheist but had a conversion and became a very strong Christian.
Napoleon always thought himself a bit of a semi-God, as evidenced when he crowned himself Emperor and thought of himself as greater than the pope.
The other guys/ quotes are somewhat irrelevant and not exactly verifiable, nor particularly pertinent to the discussion at hand
And why would you quote me asking you not to just google and paste quotes and then go and google and paste quotes??
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Not sure if serious.
I take most exception to Marshall. McCulloch v. Maryland, Ogden v. Gibbons, Marbury v. Madison. This guy was scary. Set the stage for statism.
Meh.
Jefferson, net net, did a huge service to liberty.
Jefferson wins the poll. Pretty ironic. Almost evertything about Jefferson would be slammed on the RP forums if he was president today.
Held 700 people hostage and lived an extreme lavish elite lifestyle on the backs of those slaves.
Went to war without a declaration.
Was a chickenhawk to the point he even got called out on his poor leadership as governor of virginia because he ran to his second home.
And by todays standard he would also be charged with sexual harrassment and rape.
Modern presidents and candidates actually seem pretty tame. The is a very good reason RP did not pick TJ as his most admired president.
Held 700 people hostage and lived an extreme lavish elite lifestyle on the backs of those slaves.
Went to war without a declaration.
Was a chickenhawk to the point he even got called out on his poor leadership as governor of virginia because he ran to his second home.
And by todays standard he would also be charged with sexual harrassment and rape.
Modern presidents and candidates actually seem pretty tame. The is a very good reason RP did not pick TJ as his most admired president.
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