Your personal favorite Founding Father

[ConsideringRonPaul]

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I am thinking about rolling with the idea of creating the greatest americans of the 19th century (besides Jefferson and Madison who were in this poll). So some ideas about who to put in need to get floated around. Deft the big name presidents like: John Quincy Adams, Andy Jackson, James Polk, Lincoln, Grant (better known as the general than president), and Grover Cleveland (Ron's favorite); and others that get suggested. Also someone mentioned Lysander Spooner and Thomas Edison to throw in there. I'd possibly throw Mark Twain, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Joseph Smith, Cyrus McCormick, Noah Webster, John Calhoun, Henry Clay, Lewis and Clark (the pair), Ralph Waldo Emerson, William James, Robert E Lee, Horace Mann, John Marshall, William Lloyd Garrison, Susan B Anthony, JP Morgan, Elizabeth Caddy Stanton, Alexander Graham Bell, Walt Whitman, Andrew Carnegie, and John D. Rockefeller.

Obviously this list is huge so I need some helping weening it down a lot, or you could throw out any other names that I forgot.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

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I am thinking about rolling with the idea of creating the greatest americans of the 19th century (besides Jefferson and Madison who were in this poll). So some ideas about who to put in need to get floated around. Deft the big name presidents like: John Quincy Adams, Andy Jackson, James Polk, Lincoln, Grant (better known as the general than president), and Grover Cleveland (Ron's favorite); and others that get suggested. Also someone mentioned Lysander Spooner and Thomas Edison to throw in there. I'd possibly throw Mark Twain, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Joseph Smith, Cyrus McCormick, Noah Webster, John Calhoun, Henry Clay, Lewis and Clark (the pair), Ralph Waldo Emerson, William James, Robert E Lee, Horace Mann, John Marshall, William Lloyd Garrison, Susan B Anthony, JP Morgan, Elizabeth Caddy Stanton, Alexander Graham Bell, Walt Whitman, Andrew Carnegie, and John D. Rockefeller.

Obviously this list is huge so I need some helping weening it down a lot, or you could throw out any other names that I forgot.

Morgan and Rockefeller had great wealth but they were not great!

 

[Pericles]

Thomas Jefferson was the most brilliant philosopher.

Franklin had a remarkably well rounded life. One of the most well rounded lives in history.

But really, I would say John Jay is being criminally overlooked in this poll. He was one of the writers of the Federalist Papers.

He was an abolitionist and non-interventionist, and proponent of a strong currency.

He served as the 6th President of the Continental Congress, 2nd U.S. Secretary of Foreign Affairs, the 2nd Governor of New York, and the 1st Supreme Court Justice of the United States.

George Mason is also worthy of mention.

 

[Jtorsella]

PLEASE READ AND RESPOND TO THIS

I am thinking about rolling with the idea of creating the greatest americans of the 19th century (besides Jefferson and Madison who were in this poll). So some ideas about who to put in need to get floated around. Deft the big name presidents like: John Quincy Adams, Andy Jackson, James Polk, Lincoln, Grant (better known as the general than president), and Grover Cleveland (Ron's favorite); and others that get suggested. Also someone mentioned Lysander Spooner and Thomas Edison to throw in there. I'd possibly throw Mark Twain, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Joseph Smith, Cyrus McCormick, Noah Webster, John Calhoun, Henry Clay, Lewis and Clark (the pair), Ralph Waldo Emerson, William James, Robert E Lee, Horace Mann, John Marshall, William Lloyd Garrison, Susan B Anthony, JP Morgan, Elizabeth Caddy Stanton, Alexander Graham Bell, Walt Whitman, Andrew Carnegie, and John D. Rockefeller.

Obviously this list is huge so I need some helping weening it down a lot, or you could throw out any other names that I forgot.

Lincoln? In b4 buchanan.

 

[Pericles]

It is amusing that Christians claim that America was founded by Christians and "Christian principles", when three of the first four Presidents of the United States, along with several Founding fathers, were deists.

I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, just pointing out the facts.




One could also argue that the second U.S. President, John Adams, was also a deist. He said:

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles.

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?

And the guy putting together a good bit of the financing of the Revolution, Hyman Saloman, a Jewish founder.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If not for the Central Bank, we would still be in debt. Also, the Alien and Sedition Act was needed to keep us safe, and everything would have collapsed if the Whiskey Rebellion had not been crushed. We would be living in chaos. Probably conquered by France too.

That was a quick fix, and never truly resolved the national debt problem. The supposed aim was to fix the problem of the failed Continental. However, the dollar and First National Bank weren't rational solutions. It's true that the war debt was paid off, but this was just short term. The rational solution then (as now) would have been to get government out of the money business.

P.S.
"A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing. It will be powerful cement of our union. It will also create a necessity for keeping up taxation to such a degree which, without being oppressive, will be a spur to industry." -Alexander Hamilton
The founders of the national bank, as you see, didn't really want a true end to debt.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

That was a quick fix, and never truly resolved the national debt problem. The supposed aim was to fix the problem of the failed Continental. However, the dollar and First National Bank weren't rational solutions. It's true that the war debt was paid off, but this was just short term. The rational solution then (as now) would have been to get government out of the money business.

P.S.
"A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing. It will be powerful cement of our union. It will also create a necessity for keeping up taxation to such a degree which, without being oppressive, will be a spur to industry." -Alexander Hamilton
The founders of the national bank, as you see, didn't really want a true end to debt.

Nah, we would have gone bankrupt and been conquered by France. Either that or conquered by the Whiskey Rebellion rebels.

You do know I've been kidding about this, right?

 

[merrimac]

I would say Franklin if he followed all of his own sayings and advice. But Washington was the least hypocritical founding father which is why he gets my vote.

 

[Bosco Warden]

I liked Old Hickory, first POTUS to ever pay off the National Debt, by getting rid of the Second National Bank. but I know he wasnt a "founding father" but still a good POTUS.

I know he wasnt a favorite of the Native Americans but he was just a product of his environment.

 

[ConsideringRonPaul]

I liked Old Hickory, first POTUS to ever pay off the National Debt, by getting rid of the Second National Bank. but I know he wasnt a "founding father" but still a good POTUS.

I know he wasnt a favorite of the Native Americans but he was just a product of his environment.

I will soon be creating another thread with greatest 19th century Americans so good Ol' Andy will appear there.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Nah, we would have gone bankrupt and been conquered by France. Either that or conquered by the Whiskey Rebellion rebels.

You do know I've been kidding about this, right?

Sorry, your humor didn't translate on the webbernets. Sorry! :o /embarrassed

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

And the guy putting together a good bit of the financing of the Revolution, Hyman Saloman, a Jewish founder.

Ah yes, I mentioned him earlier. For the anti-Jew people.

 

[ConsideringRonPaul]

Ah yes, I mentioned him earlier. For the anti-Jew people.

Georgia i couldn't include every single American from the founding era, I tried to include what I thought the most common responses would be, altho leaving out Jay was admittedly a mistake. But Hyman Saloman... (insert stereotypical joke about Jews always being the moneyed in society... jk, excuse my jests)

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Georgia i couldn't include every single American from the founding era, I tried to include what I thought the most common responses would be, altho leaving out Jay was admittedly a mistake. But Hyman Saloman... (insert stereotypical joke about Jews always being the moneyed in society... jk, excuse my jests)

No, I wasn't calling you a Jew-hater.

 

[ConsideringRonPaul]

No, I wasn't calling you a Jew-hater.

Ok good, I wasn't sure if you had meant that or not. But did you really think Saloman should have been included?

 

[ConsideringRonPaul]

Also how does I make it so when I quote someone it says "originally posted by ...so and so..." because mine just look like anonymous quotes whenever I do them?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ok good, I wasn't sure if you had meant that or not. But did you really think Saloman should have been included?

Yeah Saloman isn't well known but in terms of significance I think he should be included.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Also how does I make it so when I quote someone it says "originally posted by ...so and so..." because mine just look like anonymous quotes whenever I do them?

Not sure. Ask a mod

 

[Sola_Fide]

Samuel Adams

He is the father of Calvinist political action.

^^^Am I the only one who picked an abolitionist founding father?