Wyoming County Conventions

[tsai3904]

What's going on in Park County?!

I hear some Ron Paul activists refused to vote to end the county convention, waited for everyone to leave, and now are trying to report new results to the state.

It's a battle between Romney and Santorum supporters. Santorum was initially reported as the winner but the Romney folks are contesting it.

 

[tsai3904]

12 delegates to the National Convention have been chosen. I'm still waiting to hear back on some of the counties electing alternate delegates.

The results are:

Romney - 7
Santorum - 3
Paul - 1
Uncommitted - 1

14 more at large delegates to the National Convention will be elected at the State Convention on April 14. We do not have close to a majority of delegates to the State Convention so our chances of winning any delegates there are not as great as they were at the County Conventions.


Delegates

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]County[/TD]
[TD]Straw
Poll[/TD]
[TD]County
Convention[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Big Horn[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carbon[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Johnson[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laramie[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lincoln[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Natrona[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Niobrara[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Uncommitted
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Park[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Platte[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sublette[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Washakie[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Weston[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Alternate Delegates

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]County[/TD]
[TD]Straw
Poll[/TD]
[TD]County
Convention[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albany[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Campbell[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Converse[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Crook[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fremont[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goshen[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hot Springs[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laramie[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sheridan[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sweetwater[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Teton[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Uncommitted[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Uinta[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[tsai3904]

We won Hot Springs County's alternate delegate. We have won four alternate delegates but only one delegate.

It sucks our best counties elected alternate delegates this year.

 

[lib3rtarian]

Can someone break the WY delegate thing for me? Wasn't there a press release by the campaign about getting 6 delegates? Now we are down to 1? What happened? Why did we get creamed?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Can someone break the WY delegate thing for me? Wasn't there a press release by the campaign about getting 6 delegates? Now we are down to 1? What happened? Why did we get creamed?

A media source made up the 6 delegates number and the campaign just repeated it. I don't know why the campaign used that number. It is still possible but isn't and never was certain.

This post breaks it down pretty well http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Conventions&p=4268889&viewfull=1#post4268889

 

[tsai3904]

Can someone break the WY delegate thing for me? Wasn't there a press release by the campaign about getting 6 delegates? Now we are down to 1? What happened? Why did we get creamed?

The campaign was EXPECTING to get at least 6 delegates if things went as planned in the next stages of the caucus process. They were very misleading with that press release.

Wyoming has a three step caucus process:

1. Precinct Caucus (Feb 11-29)
2. County Convention (Mar 6-10)
3. State Convention (Apr 13-14)

During the Precinct Caucuses, where straw polls were held, we won 5 counties (out of 23). At the Precinct Caucuses, delegates were also elected to the County Conventions.

However, more than half of the delegates to the County Conventions are automatic delegate by virtue of being Precinct Committee People who were elected in August 2010. Basically, if you got elected as a PC in August 2010, you are an automatic delegate to Step 2 above. These PCs make up more than half of the voting delegates and barely any of our supporters got elected as PCs. Because most of the PCs did not support Ron Paul, we barely had any chance to win delegates, even in the counties where we won the straw poll.

 

[opinionatedfool]

thanks for clarifying. i hate the GOP.

+rep

 

[lib3rtarian]

The campaign was EXPECTING to get at least 6 delegates if things went as planned in the next stages of the caucus process. They were very misleading with that press release.

Wyoming has a three step caucus process:

1. Precinct Caucus (Feb 11-29)
2. County Convention (Mar 6-10)
3. State Convention (Apr 13-14)

During the Precinct Caucuses, where straw polls were held, we won 5 counties (out of 22). At the Precinct Caucuses, delegates were also elected to the County Conventions.

However, more than half of the delegates to the County Conventions are automatic delegate by virtue of being Precinct Committee People who were elected in August 2010. Basically, if you got elected as a PC in August 2010, you are an automatic delegate to Step 2 above. These PCs make up more than half of the voting delegates and barely any of our supporters got elected as PCs. Because most of the PCs did not support Ron Paul, we barely had any chance to win delegates, even in the counties where we won the straw poll.

In short, unless we didn't plan for this back in Aug 2010 itself, there is no way we could have won this thing anyway. Paul didn't even announce that he is running till this May 2011, so I guess there was no way we could have gotten anyone in Aug 2010.

Too bad. Looks like the WY GOP have their rules designed exactly to prevent a renegade takeover from insurgents like us.

 

[opinionatedfool]

12 delegates to the National Convention have been chosen. I'm still waiting to hear back on some of the counties electing alternate delegates.

The results are:

Romney - 7
Santorum - 3
Paul - 1
Uncommitted - 1

14 more at large delegates to the National Convention will be elected at the State Convention on April 14. We do not have close to a majority of delegates to the State Convention so our chances of winning any delegates there are not as great as they were at the County Conventions.


Delegates

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]County[/TD]
[TD]Straw
Poll[/TD]
[TD]County
Convention[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Big Horn[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carbon[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Johnson[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laramie[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lincoln[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Natrona[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Niobrara[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Uncommitted
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Park[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Platte[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sublette[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Washakie[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Weston[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Alternate Delegates

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]County[/TD]
[TD]Straw
Poll[/TD]
[TD]County
Convention[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albany[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Campbell[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Converse[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Crook[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fremont[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goshen[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Santorum
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hot Springs[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laramie[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sheridan[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Santorum[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sweetwater[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Teton[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Uncommitted[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Uinta[/TD]
[TD]Romney[/TD]
[TD]Paul[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Stupid Romney supporters.

 

[tsai3904]

In short, unless we didn't plan for this back in Aug 2010 itself, there is no way we could have won this thing anyway. Paul didn't even announce that he is running till this May 2011, so I guess there was no way we could have gotten anyone in Aug 2010.

Too bad. Looks like the WY GOP have their rules designed exactly to prevent a renegade takeover from insurgents like us.

Yea, but all the supporters are ready to file as candidates for the primary on August 2012. Becoming a PC makes them voting members of their County GOP so we're hoping to gain control of several County GOP leadership positions.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

They vote in rounds and after each round, the candidate with the lowest votes gets dropped. The vote totals you posted are the votes in the final round.

That is not how it works in my county. I didn't remember what happened last time, if there even were more than 2 candidates or not. I think there weren't, so it didn't come up. We don't do rounds or run-offs, just one vote, unless it's a tie. Anyway, in my county the results were as follows:

Chris Smith (declared for Ron Paul): 38
Norine Kasperik (undeclared, establishment, state rep.): 32
Me (declared for Ron Paul): 2 (I *told* them not to vote for me in my speech! Oh well. If we would've lost by two votes I would have been mad.)
Jeff Raney (undeclared, former RP supporter -- with us in '08): 1

So, in short: We won. We won.

A lot of work behind those two words. Little bit of ridiculous drama, too, as you maybe can guess as you scratch your heads wondering why three anti-establishment people ran. It's complicated.

I just thought I'd come on and report on the results of my little grassroots project, but tsai has already stolen my thunder. Thanks a lot! But seriously, tsai helped out a lot. So the project was to win Campbell County. And we did. Mission accomplished. I couldn't control that we only elect an alternate this year, sorry guys. But I decided we'd win anyway.

...

I can still hardly believe that we actually did.

 

[tsai3904]

Awesome! It really amazes me that we won 5 counties given how the caucus process is heavily slanted against us. We performed very well in the counties where someone took charge and led the efforts for the county and you and Chris did that well in Campbell. Now we have to make sure our supporters file as candidates for PC in May.

I am surprised that no one ran as a Santorum or Romney delegate. Your county is probably the only that didn't have someone running for them.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

The establishment was totally stupid! They needed to have their person run as a Santorum supporter. That was totally obvious to anyone who thought for 5 seconds about it. Santorum won the straw poll. There were lots of new-comers at the precinct caucuses who supported Santorum and were not part of the good-old-boys establishment club. Anyone with eyes could see that. So the ideal scenario was for the establishment to run a Romney delegate and for us to run a Paul one, and the Santorum people have to decide who they dislike less. And plus, we visited many of these new-comer's houses the last two days and talked to them personally. So many swung our way (or at least my way, because they still didn't necessarily support Ron Paul).

The smartest thing they could have done was to run as a Santorum delegate, thus getting, hopefully, those non-insider Santorum-lovers, and just get on the phone tree and let all the insiders know: "It's my turn to be the delegate this year. I'll be running for Santorum, don't worry I really support Romney." But they/Norine couldn't stomach doing that for some inexplicable reason, or maybe they really were stupid enough to not think of it, and so she ran as undeclared.

Anyway, yeah, it was weird, because once Kasperik said she was undeclared, it was either going to be Ron Paul or Undeclared as the victor. We'd already beat all the other candidates at least before a single vote was cast. One undeclared was undeclared because everyone is so wonderful, and the other was undeclared because everyone is so horrible. I wish we'd had a videographer, because Raney's speech really was a thing to behold. He basically said the Republican Party is junk, everyone is junk, and that includes you!, that last part as he shouted and pointed at a state rep, Lubnau, at the convention. Another great line, something like: "I was walking outside in my barn the other day and something got on the bottom of my boot, so I may be able to find something to support."

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Looks like if I move to Wyoming, it's gonna be Weston County!

Yes, that would be a very nice choice.

Keep this victory in perspective a little bit, though. When I called the guy there about a year ago or something, I told him if he rounded 30 people up and got them out I thought he'd win. He got 10. And he still won anyway! So it's not exactly a large and representative population-sample size, this Wyoming process.

 

[Tinnuhana]

So, is this article about a DIFFERENT campbell County?

http://www.reteaparty.com/2012/03/10/tea-party-feels-shunned-with-red-stars-from-campbell-gop/

 

[lib3rtarian]

Yea, but all the supporters are ready to file as candidates for the primary on August 2012. Becoming a PC makes them voting members of their County GOP so we're hoping to gain control of several County GOP leadership positions.

Gosh, confused again. What candidates? Which primary in Aug 2012? is there another election?

 

[MozoVote]

I wish we'd had a videographer, because Raney's speech really was a thing to behold. He basically said the Republican Party is junk, everyone is junk, and that includes you!, that last part as he shouted and pointed at a state rep, Lubnau, at the convention. Another great line, something like: "I was walking outside in my barn the other day and something got on the bottom of my boot, so I may be able to find something to support."

LOL, he got one vote, just himself I'm sure. That's what I call a "Freddy Quimby" speech:

http://www.nohomers.net/content/fun/quotes/chowdah.wav

 

[tsai3904]

Gosh, confused again. What candidates? Which primary in Aug 2012? is there another election?

PCs are elected every two years. Anyone can file as a candidate for PC, which we are organizing to get our supporters to do.

The last election for PCs was August 2010 so the next election for PCs is in August 2012. The August 2012 election has nothing to do with this year's Presidential election. The point of getting our supporters elected as PCs in August 2012 is so that we can try to take over the GOP at the county level for the next two years.

 

[lib3rtarian]

PCs are elected every two years. Anyone can file as a candidate for PC, which we are organizing to get our supporters to do.

The last election for PCs was August 2010 so the next election for PCs is in August 2012. The August 2012 election has nothing to do with this year's Presidential election. The point of getting our supporters elected as PCs in August 2012 is so that we can try to take over the GOP at the county level for the next two years.

Gotcha. Prepare the ground for Rand, right?

This should be an on-going project, and not just something which we do for an election or two.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

LOL, he got one vote, just himself I'm sure.

Actually, no. I convinced him to endorse Chris Smith, so at the end of his speech he said that he would be voting for Chris Smith. It was almost certainly the man who nominated him who ended up still voting for him.