WTF? Huckabee: The Constitution Should Be Amended To Conform To The Word Of God

[Join The Paul Side]

Just look one post above yours.

It's not evangelical Christians I worry about, it's people of any persuasion who want to use Government to force their way of life on the rest of us.

I am a Christian and I agree it's scary that people of my faith want to impose our beliefs on other citizens.

Jesus said to spread God's word, but if somebody doesn't want to recieve it then let them be. I'm sure he wouldn't want us to harrass them or discriminate against them because they chose not to hear it. That's not what he stood for.

Jesus also said love thy neighbor. I take that as anybody. He didn't say love thy neighbor only if they're Christian and treat outsiders with contempt. I think Jesus would want us to love our neighbor whether they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Black, White, Gay, or Atheist. He wanted us to treat everybody with love, respect, and kindness no matter what their background is.

Huck is no Christian. Huck is a poser pandering to the uninformed members of my faith that have been exposed to bad representation of Christianity.

Huck is Pro-War. Jesus is Pro-Peace. I think that tells us all we need to know about this faker.

 

[Sey.Naci]

God damn it Paul.. enough with telling people WHY THE TERRORIST ATTACK US - we get it, its because we're over there.. I KNOW!

Instead of answering the god damn question like that.. why not say what YOU, AND YOU ALONE, WILL DO TO KEEP US SAFE..

GOD.. I'm SO TIRED OF THAT ANSWER. IT instantly turns people off.. doesn't matter how right it is.

Just STFU about it already DOC

Remember the media blackout? Yes, you, we on this forum and other RP supporters, know it, but there are still many, many Americans who have NEVER heard his message. It was this message which captured the attention of many of us. That's why he keeps repeating.

 

[TER]

I always found it funny how Huckabee made that comment that 'Jesus was too smart to go into politics'. His self-depricating humor is an attempt to mask over his own sins.

Perhaps he should remember what being a disciple is the next time he governs over another execution of one of God's children.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

That is my point. Where do those rights you are given come from? If they were given to you by man, who does not do everything perfect, then why couldn't your rights be changed? If 51% of us believed that others did not have the right to life, then why should murder be illegal?

However if they were given to you by something perfect, then how could they be changed if 100% of people believed nobody else had the right to life?

I understand my example is extreme, but I believe in God. Therefore, I believe my rights were first and foremost given to me BY God. I know you don't come in with the same presuppositions that I do, but at least you'll understand where I'm coming from and stop thinking Christians are SO crazy.

I certainly dont think Christians are crazy ..well, atleast not the real Christians. I have a great respect for "Christian" people. I have a great contempt for the warmongering , crusading sect however ...and those that would enforce their beliefs on me thro law.

Same goes for every single religion on the earth. I don't shun any religion ... only individuals based off of their character.

 

[random]

The real question that needs to be answered is, is murder wrong because a majority of men say it's wrong, or is it wrong because a sovereign God says it is wrong? Would it become right if I got a majority to say murder was ok?

Well, would it be OK if "God" had said it was OK?

Morality evolves... just look at the Old vs. New Testament for er... Christ's sake!

 

[fmontez]

Because they have no idea that Huckabee's top campaign advisor is the president of the CFR.. And these evangelical voters have no idea Huckabee is just using God to get himself votes, then he'll dupe all of them later (along with the evil CFR) when/if he's elected..

I have to say this, and I may get flamed... but the CFR isnt' evil.. just a group of people working together to bring about the change they want. More power to them; just like this forum is a group of people (mostly) who want Ron Paul to be President. Does that make us evil, because we unite to bring about change we want? Of course not... Fox News, CFR, Democrats, Socialists... they are all good people (for the most part) working for their views/aims. Good for them!

 

[TER]

I have to say this, and I may get flamed... but the CFR isnt' evil.. just a group of people working together to bring about the change they want. More power to them; just like this forum is a group of people (mostly) who want Ron Paul to be President. Does that make us evil, because we unite to bring about change we want? Of course not... Fox News, CFR, Democrats, Socialists... they are all good people (for the most part) working for their views/aims. Good for them!

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

I have to say this, and I may get flamed... but the CFR isnt' evil.. just a group of people working together to bring about the change they want. More power to them; just like this forum is a group of people (mostly) who want Ron Paul to be President. Does that make us evil, because we unite to bring about change we want? Of course not... Fox News, CFR, Democrats, Socialists... they are all good people (for the most part) working for their views/aims. Good for them!

Nazi Party?

 

[Roadrcr]

Let me start off I am an aethist .. Now with that in mind .. lets drop the pro-religion and anti-religion discussion here .. its anti-productive.. worship whomever you want just do it in your own privacy and keep it the hell away from me.

 

[Todd]

Quit pulling numberes out of your arse. I'm an evangelical, know a ton of evangelicals and that just isn't true. Yes there are some but they are nowhere near 90%.

+2

Baseless platitudes about Christians. Not every one of us wants a Theocracy.

 

[romeshomey]

Can anyone say 'Mandatory Jesus Camps for America's Youth'?

I am going to be sick.

 

[Todd]

Nazi Party?

Oh Brother!

Does anyone have an orgininal comment? People get a little radical and we start namecalling... Nazi's...Bosheviks.

Please!!!!

 

[TER]

Let me start off I am an aethist .. Now with that in mind .. lets drop the pro-religion and anti-religion discussion here .. its anti-productive.. worship whomever you want just do it in your own privacy and keep it the hell away from me.

That, my brother, is one opinion.

 

[fmontez]

Nazi Party?

I know you didn't just compare the CFR to the Nazi Party...

 

[robert4rp08]

Originally Posted by PaulineDisciple
The real question that needs to be answered is, is murder wrong because a majority of men say it's wrong, or is it wrong because a sovereign God says it is wrong? Would it become right if I got a majority to say murder was ok?

The morality of murder is inconsequential since murder can be argued against from a property rights stand point. Murder is wrong because it infringes on a person's property rights. In a Republic, majority only rules if it does not violate someone's rights... so no, murder will _NEVER_ be okay in a Republic. Can it be okay in the U.S.? Yes, if we make the full transition into a pure Democracy... when majority _ALWAYS_ rules.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Although I would certainly disagree that the constitution should be changed to fit Huckabee's brand of Christianity, I would defend the position that the constitution should be changed to fit Ron Paul's brand of Christianity. That is, to give all individuals the God given rights as outlined in the Bible.

I happen to be a Theocrat that supports Ron Paul and I would contend that a proper reading of the Bible, yields the kind of inalienable rights, freedoms and peace that is characterized by Ron Paul's positions.

Some of you guys need to be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. It is only a Christian world and life view that gives man his rights and dignity, since if these rights come from man, they can also be taken away by man, which leaves you without any principled argument against having those rights taken away by your fellow man. It is only in the case that there is a sovereign God that these rights can be considered inalienable.

Here is my challange to the non-christians on this board. I would like a explanation that is consistent with your view of reality, how you arrive at objective moral values without relying on a Christian conception of a sovereign God as an underlying presupposition?

If you would like an example of the kind of answers that I am looking for, go to my website and read through the article that I posted called "Metaphysics and Meaning" and answer the questions being posed by one naturalist to the other naturalist.

http://presupposetheism.blogspot.com/

Good luck!

The damage Huck has done to himself is congruent to that of McCain with his '100 years in Iraq' quote. That said, I think he is also embarrassing to people who ARE theocrats, for some elements of their position are reasonable. The above shows you don't have to be an AUTHORITARIAN to be a theocrat. A case could be made from the Bible that the ancient Israelite theocracy was actually rather anarchistic; it became unfree only when the people asked for a human king and adopt a monarchic form of civil government like all their neighbors. It is the FASCIST application people are most afraid of and think most quickly of when they hear it being presented.

All governments are theocracies, that either defacto posit the true God, a false God, or Man as the ultimate authority. Either God will be God, or Man will play God in ruling the nations. The modern concept of secular government falsely presumes 'secular means neutral,' but has been in practice has been a Humanist theocracy that is hostile to the other faiths. The old meaning of the 'secular' as understood by the Founders (as something that was worldly/of this current age, but not spiritual/eternal) allowed them to create a decentralized state generally built on underlying 'principles of Christianity,' while not explicitly imposing a denominational commitment on everybody.

Huckabee, however, does expressly imply he wants to force a creed on us from central command. He is precisely creating the combination between theocracy and tyranny people are concerned about. 100% of Christians should be desiring a Theocracy, but one run by Christ, not authoritarians like Huckabee. If we believe in the Second Coming, what other kind of government would He set up once back on earth?

 

[PaulineDisciple]

GTFO of this campaign. If your advocating that ONLY your christian religion is correct you can move on. This campaign is about the constitution which includes freedom of religion. I have seen Muslims, Atheists, Mormons, Agnostics, and many others rally behind Ron Paul and his message. To say that he should change the constitution is completely out of line of what he is fighting for. Doing such a thing, or even advocating it would be as bad as what Huckabee has said.

The fact that I think that the Christian religion is the correct religion should not disqualify me from Ron Paul’s campaign, in fact, I am sure that Ron Paul thinks that the Christian religion is correct also. You also misinterpreted my argument, my argument was not that only my religion is the correct one, although I do believe that, my argument was that without the Christian religion, moral arguments loose their objective necessity. Do you even realize that you are taking the position that you are right and that I am wrong, how dare you contradict your own criteria for who should be allowed into Ron Paul’s campaign! You say that this campaign is about the constitution and freedom of religion. Well I’ve got news for you, it is constitutional to change the constitution, Ron Paul has even made this comment. Also, do I have the freedom to practice my religion if I am an Atheist that see nothing wrong with killing and eating people?

I will promise to be nice to you, if you will promise to be nice to me.

 

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That moron is a lunatic.

 

[PaulineDisciple]

No, there would just be no Government to make laws.

You'd only be governed by the law of physics ... and that is a law I have no hand in , unfortunately

If you are a naturalist, at least this would be a consistent answer, thank you for your honesty.

 

[ValidusCustodiae]

90% may be a bit high. Perhaps it is just that Christians who want to convert by the sword are more outspoken than other Christians. My bet is most of the people in this video would support a theocracy. Notice most of them are holding their arms straight up, in a "salute" to God. Religious extremism, whether it be on the Islamic, Buddhist, Christian, or Jewish side, is dangerous and downright nutty, and you're going to have a hard time refuting that. I think that is the point some people here have been trying to make. Watch this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI