WTF? Huckabee: The Constitution Should Be Amended To Conform To The Word Of God

The government should not enforce morality. It should only enforce RIGHTS.

This statement is ludicrous, the enforcement of any law is the enforcement of someones morality. Laws by definition are declaring one action moral and another action immoral. The only question is WHO's morality are we to enforce. Although I would agree that Huckabee's version of morality is hideous, a true Christians morality is the best kind of morality possible in a fallen creation.
 
Sad part is, many Christians will flock to Shmuckabee just because of this insane statement. That's how insane many of them are!
 
How would he change the constitution? I mean, come on. It provides everyone the right to practice their own religion. Are they going to impose a religion on us?
Seems so, the Christian one - as practiced and understood by the Huckster.
 
I'd like to add that as an evangelical Christian I absolutely do not want my (or anyone else's) version of Christian (or any other) morality legislated beyond what the Constitution already addresses. There is a mission field out there and forcing our views on others will only harden their hearts and make them that much less receptive to the Gospel.
 
Look, Christians will not support changing the religion to Christianity. And most Christians I know aren't insane. You guys should seriously just cut it out. Its offensive to me, and its offensive to any Christians that might have come here looking to learn about Ron Paul.
 
Would if I was a Satanist and my religion required me to perform human sacrifice? Are you going to impose your morality on me and keep me from sincerely practicing my religion?
 
I would ENFORCE morality. Like I said, there is a difference between enforcing morality and forcing things onto people. Murder is wrong. Just like abortion is wrong.

If you sincerely think your morality is right, get a Satanist voting bloc together and vote your values. Thats what I do. I place my vote against human sacrifice (though its not usually as much an issue as you'd like to think I guess), and I place it against ALL murder.

I'm against the federal government legislating things such as gay marriage. The simple reason is because I believe Christians should be the light in the communities. The federal government shouldn't be doing our work. I've never been happy with the Fed's decisions. Look at Roe v Wade.
 
So we shouldn't enforce the laws on the books, which are in some form of fashion based off of morals? Most laws are based off of some desire to have a moral society.

We aren't allowed to steal, we aren't allowed to endanger people, we aren't allowed to murder, we aren't allowed to cheat. If we lose our morality as a nation, we also lose our freedom. If we don't have moral leaders (HINT LIKE NOW), then they ignore the constitution and take our freedoms.

Think before you talk from now on.

No, they are rights. Stealing is illegal to protect the property rights of the would-be victim not to try and make the offender a better person. Is it moral to try to enforce morals via force and fear? of course not. As soon as you make laws to enforce morals , you become immoral yourself.

You probably have a point that way back when laws began it was to have a moral society , but imo (call me skeptical :P ) it was probably more to do with order.

An example of Government trying to enforce morals would be drug-use laws, amongst others.

TBH, I'd prefer no laws than too many laws(or religious laws etc). I don't think enough people are "mature" (if thats the right word) for Anarchy(scary word! :eek: ) yet. People are too afraid without the state telling them what to do :(

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The real question that needs to be answered is, is murder wrong because a majority of men say it's wrong, or is it wrong because a sovereign God says it is wrong? Would it become right if I got a majority to say murder was ok?
 
Hmmm . . . . Would it be a good thing if the media dug up Paul's statement and replayed it before showing that clip?

They would never do it.
Might one of our talented video people put those two clips together? And perhaps include a brief clip of Huck's Christmas vid, with his words muted and instead music or a voiceover replacing them.
 
Might one of our talented video people put those two clips together? And perhaps include a brief clip of Huck's Christmas vid, with his words muted and instead music or a voiceover replacing them.

Good idea! Where's the talented video makers?
 
No, they are rights. Stealing is illegal to protect the property rights of the would-be victim not to try and make the offender a better person. Is it moral to try to enforce morals via force and fear? of course not. As soon as you make laws to enforce morals , you become immoral yourself.

You probably have a point that way back when laws began it was to have a moral society , but imo (call me skeptical :P ) it was probably more to do with order.

An example of Government trying to enforce morals would be drug-use laws, amongst others.

TBH, I'd prefer no laws than too many laws(or religious laws etc). I don't think enough people are "mature" (if thats the right word) for Anarchy(scary word! :eek: ) yet. People are too afraid without the state telling them what to do :(

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So would you make it a law that we would have not laws?
 
That is my point. Where do those rights you are given come from? If they were given to you by man, who does not do everything perfect, then why couldn't your rights be changed? If 51% of us believed that others did not have the right to life, then why should murder be illegal?

However if they were given to you by something perfect, then how could they be changed if 100% of people believed nobody else had the right to life?

I understand my example is extreme, but I believe in God. Therefore, I believe my rights were first and foremost given to me BY God. I know you don't come in with the same presuppositions that I do, but at least you'll understand where I'm coming from and stop thinking Christians are SO crazy.
 
The only time a person is to mention God's name is to make God look good; what Huckabee is doing is using God's name for the benefit of himself. He doesn't want to ammend the Constitution to spread God's word or glorify Him, he wants to do it to try and recieve the Christian vote - he wants to be President.

I very much admired Dr. Paul's appearance on Bill Moyers. He referenced Matthew chapter six, though he didn't quote it directly. When Menthol talks about "evangelicals", I think he is (and knows he is) talking about a small, particular group of Christians. Furthermore, I think this group scares the majority of Christians as much as it scares everyone else.

Huckabee did himself no favors, I think, but he's not making it any easier for us to get the hardcore core of the Republicans' recent support, either. Nonetheless, we can quite possibly get mileage from advocating that people get involved to keep this minority from hijacking completely one of the nation's major parties.
 
That is my point. Where do those rights you are given come from? If they were given to you by man, who does not do everything perfect, then why couldn't your rights be changed? If 51% of us believed that others did not have the right to life, then why should murder be illegal?

However if they were given to you by something perfect, then how could they be changed if 100% of people believed nobody else had the right to life?

I understand my example is extreme, but I believe in God. Therefore, I believe my rights were first and foremost given to me BY God. I know you don't come in with the same presuppositions that I do, but at least you'll understand where I'm coming from and stop thinking Christians are SO crazy.

Are you responding to me? I am a Christian, I totally agree with you, I am just using a "reductio ad absurdum" argument.
 
Wtf?

Although I would certainly disagree that the constitution should be changed to fit Huckabee's brand of Christianity, I would defend the position that the constitution should be changed to fit Ron Paul's brand of Christianity. That is, to give all individuals the God given rights as outlined in the Bible.

I happen to be a Theocrat that supports Ron Paul and I would contend that a proper reading of the Bible, yields the kind of inalienable rights, freedoms and peace that is characterized by Ron Paul's positions.

Some of you guys need to be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you. It is only a Christian world and life view that gives man his rights and dignity, since if these rights come from man, they can also be taken away by man, which leaves you without any principled argument against having those rights taken away by your fellow man. It is only in the case that there is a sovereign God that these rights can be considered inalienable.

Here is my challange to the non-christians on this board. I would like a explanation that is consistent with your view of reality, how you arrive at objective moral values without relying on a Christian conception of a sovereign God as an underlying presupposition?

If you would like an example of the kind of answers that I am looking for, go to my website and read through the article that I posted called "Metaphysics and Meaning" and answer the questions being posed by one naturalist to the other naturalist.

http://presupposetheism.blogspot.com/

Good luck!

GTFO of this campaign. If your advocating that ONLY your christian religion is correct you can move on. This campaign is about the constitution which includes freedom of religion. I have seen Muslims, Atheists, Mormons, Agnostics, and many others rally behind Ron Paul and his message. To say that he should change the constitution is completely out of line of what he is fighting for. Doing such a thing, or even advocating it would be as bad as what Huckabee has said.
 
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