Write-In Vote? Ron Says NO

libertarian4321 said:
Okay, follow me on this.

BOTH McCain and Obama (and almost everyone else) voted to fund the soldiers AFTER the war was underway.

When the issue of STARTING THE WAR was in question, though, Obama opposed the war, and McCain endorsed it.

As a candidate, McCain has essentially called for neverending war in Iraq and seems gung ho about starting a war in Iran to boot. Obama has said he would have most troops out in 18-months.

If you think thats "the same" then there's nothing more for us to discuss, is there?
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Obama can say anything he wants, but his voting record shows the exact opposite. I can tell you I'm filthy rich and the CEO of a fortune 500 company but it doesn't make it so.
 
Kade said:
And Bob Barr?
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Barr has changed since he was in congress and worked hard within the Libertarian party. Ron even gave him his blessing.

The fact of the matter is Obama and McCain are both going to spend this country into oblivious different ways...you're basically choosing if you want to get hit by a truck or a bus.

I'd prefer to vote for Barr or Baldwin, even if I don't completely agree with one of their platforms. I believe in freedom and liberty. Barack Obama does not. It does not make sense for my vote to go to him unless I was to compromise everything I stood for.
 
Ron Paul on the CNN Situation Room: June 16, 2008
R.P. briefly talks about Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr. Duration 6 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqpI-8pDuEY

In my opinion it appears based on the comments below, (3:50 mark) that Ron Paul favors Chuck Baldwin over Bob Barr.



"What do you think about Congressman Barr?", asked Wolf Blitzer.

"Well I think he is running a very important race, and I am encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him. Ah, but he is saying the kind of things that ah I like to be heard and said, and ah I hope he does real well.

But ah, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine. He worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not very easy. I hope they both, together, get a lot of votes", answered Ron Paul.
 
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rockandrollsouls said:
Barr has changed since he was in congress and worked hard within the Libertarian party. Ron even gave him his blessing.

The fact of the matter is Obama and McCain are both going to spend this country into oblivious different ways...you're basically choosing if you want to get hit by a truck or a bus.

I'd prefer to vote for Barr or Baldwin, even if I don't completely agree with one of their platforms. I believe in freedom and liberty. Barack Obama does not. It does not make sense for my vote to go to him unless I was to compromise everything I stood for.
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The fact of the matter is you can't criticize someone on their voting record alone and say that their "speeches" don't matter afterward if you don't supply the same critique to your horse...
 
Kade said:
The fact of the matter is you can't criticize someone on their voting record alone and say that their "speeches" don't matter afterward if you don't supply the same critique to your horse...
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You can't compare the two because it's a completely different situation.

Here is the difference-

Bob Barr's voting record was in the past. He's changed and reformed. Currently, he is not saying one thing and doing another. Bob Barr wasn't perfect during his years in congress, but he's not a Republican anymore and he's not in congress anymore. He's joined the Libertarian party and supports that platform.

Obama, even though he isn't even close to this movements views, says one thing votes another. He funds the Iraq war. So, the fact that Obama stands for the opposite of everything we do should be the first sign to stay away, but even if you think he opposes the Iraq war all you need to do is look at his voting record and the other things he's said contradicting it.
 
acptulsa said:
I get it. I hope everyone does. My point is that we can't expect the American public to do the math.

Add them together and see what you get. Well, firstly the public hates doing math. Secondly they want to be spoon fed. Thirdly, we don't pose a weight--a movement headed for critical mass--if we can't even get together on our votes. Say what you want about the unseemliness of the G.O.P. people in "lockstep", it works.

If we're to get people to stop the business as usual and join us, we have to be worth joining, we have to have some numbers and momentum to convince them we aren't just tilting windmills, we have to appear to be effective.

I don't think all of that can survive us splitting our vote. Since it looks like we're going to, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But I feel committed to trying to unify this herd of cats behind one.

I don't like either the Baptist preacher or the reformed neocon. Neither one. I'll vote for whichever we can actually decide on.
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LOL on the math comment. Well maybe RP supporters will gravitate toward one candidate or the other but for the reasons you mentioned it will be difficult if not impossible to get consensus. Ron Paul won't even endorse one over the other. I just wish the vitriol we're seeing from some people over this would stop. :(

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
jmdrake said:
LOL on the math comment. Well maybe RP supporters will gravitate toward one candidate or the other but for the reasons you mentioned it will be difficult if not impossible to get consensus. Ron Paul won't even endorse one over the other. I just wish the vitriol we're seeing from some people over this would stop. :(

Regards,

John M. Drake
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I agree with both of you...the problem I have is people here consider Obama. That is what I don't understand. Vote for Barr or Baldwin...I don't care, just not Obama.
 
rockandrollsouls said:
I agree with both of you...the problem I have is people here consider Obama. That is what I don't understand. Vote for Barr or Baldwin...I don't care, just not Obama.
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I have some questions floating around here, if you promise to answer them I will promise to consider throwing away my vote some other way.
 
newbitech said:
Well, I would love to vote LP and have started researching the candidates there. The only thing that bothers me about them is that I do not see a LP endorsement of Ron Paul during the primaries. I might be able to overlook Barr being in the CIA and voting for the Patriot Act, but I really need to see the LP leaning more conservative the way Dr. Paul talks about conservative.

Honestly, I might just go against Dr. Paul's logic and write in for some of the reasons that people here have said. I just really thought I'd be able to make a difference with my vote. Truth is, I am a little disappointed and ready to go back to my old political views, which is ....
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The LP did endorse Paul. Then even mobilized their gotv phone bank to make pre primary calls for him.
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
Who threw gay marriage into the political arena in the first place? Everyone had their freedom to be with whoever they wanted, now it has become a political issue and not in the favor of gay folks. States are now amending their constitutions to reflect "one man one woman" PER the VOTES of the people. That is the way it should work. Gay couples have the freedom to go to a gay church and have a ceremony, wear rings, live together and everything they want to do can actually be covered by contracts. One CAN claim the other on tax if they provide more than 50% of their support. There can be contracts made stating that if one is ill the partner IS allowed to visit in the hospital..there are living wills. These seem to be the things that gays are concerned about. They can purchase real estate together or open a bank account...just about anything anyone else can do. I don't quite understand why they are so adament about "marriage" in the legal sense of the word. Heck...it's just more dough for the divorce lawyers... TONES
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I try to tell this to people, and they simply don't understand. Sexuality is just a fucking tool corporations/politicians use to control, humans are so fucking stupid. It's very ironic that most animals don't discriminate against homosexuality, yet humans have such a hard time with it. Some people think we are barely out of the jungle, I think we are taking steps BACKWARD.
 
zahirakids said:
The LP did endorse Paul. Then even mobilized their gotv phone bank to make pre primary calls for him.
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That is not a convenient fact for some on this forum... it doesn't fit into their agenda..ya know - the LP is now controlled by neocon agents. :rolleyes:
The LP sold out.. blah blah blah
 
crazyfacedjenkins said:
I try to tell this to people, and they simply don't understand. Sexuality is just a fucking tool corporations/politicians use to control, humans are so fucking stupid. It's very ironic that most animals don't discriminate against homosexuality, yet humans have such a hard time with it. Some people think we are barely out of the jungle, I think we are taking steps BACKWARD.
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I agree. It's like segregation. Just let people live how they want to live and treat them equally.

http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020423.htm Baldwin wrote this. Makes me second guess the man.
 
torchbearer said:
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Originally Posted by zahirakids View Post
The LP did endorse Paul. Then even mobilized their gotv phone bank to make pre primary calls for him.
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That is not a convenient fact for some on this forum... it doesn't fit into their agenda..ya know - the LP is now controlled by neocon agents.
The LP sold out.. blah blah blah
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thanks zahirakids. I wonder who torch is talking about?
 
well heres how I see it, either Obama or McCain are going to be in office, barr, baldwin, larry, curly or moe dont have a chance in hell. So it's down to these two, I would never in a million years cast a vote for McCain simply by his stance on the middle east, thats as much as I needed to hear from him and I was over him. With Obama, all I see is a one trick pony, all show no go. he promises "change", i'm assuming thats means what will be left of my paycheck after taxes and filling my car with gas.

Therefore I would be going against my own principals by voting for either of them. I can however vote for RP like minded individuals at local, state and federal levels. Thats the important thing, putting the right people into congress, they are the ones voting on the bills that get pushed into laws, they are the ones voting on our taxes and how the government spends our money.

Ron Paul was/is a messenger, he knows that, I'm sure he knew it all along. I dont even think he really cared about getting into office but I think he was on a mission to spread the word that with a little info anyone can run for office, everyone needs to get involved and not just say "why bother, things will never change" and when enough people stand up ,decide they arent going to take it and decide to push back we can bring the government back to the people and not just a few out of touch individuals. People needed to hear that message and after 8 yrs of Bush this was the perfect time to broadcast it.

Before I heard Ron Paul I could have cared less about politics, just like the majority of middle class Americans I figured "why bother, things will never change" but after listening to Dr. Paul I realized things can change if enough people band together and make it happen.

This election is hopeless as far as a President is concerned, but there are alot of other people running for offices that can really turn the tides in D.C. thats what we need to aim for.
 
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