Write-In Vote? Ron Says NO

[acptulsa]

How can anyone be sure that a given vote for a ballot-qualified candidate will be counted in secret?

The integrity of the vote has been compromised by Stalinist-style elections which employ black-box electronic balloting and counting systems running proprietary software.

I argued during the primaries that we could stand to keep our own tallies of our own voting at our local meetups and if the total doesn't come up to our own count, see how many would be willing to swear they voted as they said they did.

 

[The_Orlonater]

How can anyone be sure that a given vote for a ballot-qualified candidate will be counted in secret?

The integrity of the vote has been compromised by Stalinist-style elections which employ black-box electronic balloting and counting systems running proprietary software.

I'd rather that my vote have the meaning that I intend for it rather than what someone else tells me it will have. I encourage everyone to vote according to their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience. I encourage everyone to write-in Ron Paul regardless of whether it will "count" or not.

Pfft, I respect your dignity, but we'll never get what we want in Washington. At least Barr, offers something pretty good. I'm not passing it up and writing in Ron Paul is a dumb idea.

 

[JKap]

Re: The Orlonater

"Pfft, I respect your dignity, but we'll never get what we want in Washington. At least Barr, offers something pretty good. I'm not passing it up and writing in Ron Paul is a dumb idea."

Very juvenile of you.

I wouldn't vote for Barr if Ron Paul endorsed him. He's an ex-CIA neocon who voted for the U.S.A./Viet Dinh "Patriot" Act and engineered war. No different from O-bomb-a/McAIPAC in my book.

As for everyone else, I wouldn't trust any candidate or supporter who tells you that voting for Ron Paul is a "bad idea."

 

[ARealConservative]

"Pfft, I respect your dignity, but we'll never get what we want in Washington. At least Barr, offers something pretty good. I'm not passing it up and writing in Ron Paul is a dumb idea."

Very juvenile of you.

I wouldn't vote for Barr if Ron Paul endorsed him. He's an ex-CIA neocon who voted for the U.S.A./Viet Dinh "Patriot" Act and engineered war. No different from O-bomb-a/McAIPAC in my book.

As for everyone else, I wouldn't trust any candidate or supporter who tells you that voting for Ron Paul is a "bad idea."

I find that wasting my time is a bad idea. If I take the time to vote, I want someone to tally it, not discard it.

 

[JKap]

I'm sorry you feel that way...

I find that wasting my time is a bad idea. If I take the time to vote, I want someone to tally it, not discard it.

How can you be sure that you're not "wasting your time" voting for a ballot-qualified candidate when the election is corrupted with black-box, Stalinist-style electronic balloting? Where is the evidence that it's not "wasting your time" and your vote is "counted" using proprietary software in secret?

All that I am doing is encouraging people to exercise their own independent thought, principles, judgment, and conscience and vote for the best candidate--Ron Paul.

 

[Dianne]

I just hung up from a political phone survey. The first question was who will you vote for, McCain or Obama. There was no "other" option.

The second question was if Barr and Nader were on the ballot along with McCain and Obama, who would you vote for. Baldwin and Paul were never mentioned of course and there was no way in the survey to get it in.

 

[The_Orlonater]

"Pfft, I respect your dignity, but we'll never get what we want in Washington. At least Barr, offers something pretty good. I'm not passing it up and writing in Ron Paul is a dumb idea."

Very juvenile of you.

I wouldn't vote for Barr if Ron Paul endorsed him. He's an ex-CIA neocon who voted for the U.S.A./Viet Dinh "Patriot" Act and engineered war. No different from O-bomb-a/McAIPAC in my book.

As for everyone else, I wouldn't trust any candidate or supporter who tells you that voting for Ron Paul is a "bad idea."

Great call me juvenile, back into the name calling game, how mature.

It's a wasted vote, I don't want Obama and McCain. If we don't vote third party we will have Obama ,or McCain as president. I know Barr was a neo-con before, but don't you want more neo-cons to be ex-neo-cons? Seriously, he has good ideas. He ain't Ron Paul for sure, but he's our best option. People actually notice his coverage and might listen to him. Chuck Baldwin is practically unheard of, I'd prefer him, but I don't think he's going to be on the ballot in every state. Bob, probably might.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Neocons are Republicans who support the President and want nothing but to remain in power. Barr is no longer Republican, he no longer supports the president, and he obviously doesn't crave an electoral win. I suggest everyone cut him some slack before calling him a neocon.

When he does something for the cause of liberty, I'll cut him some slack. His lifetime track record is horrible. HORRIBLE. His most major accomplishment as a libertarian is showing everyone that libertarians will forgive a horrible track record for no good reason. Might as well open up the party to any neocon with a name.

His record is so bad, he's not even believable.

 

[JKap]

Great call me juvenile, back into the name calling game, how mature.

It's a wasted vote, I don't want Obama and McCain. If we don't vote third party we will have Obama ,or McCain as president. I know Barr was a neo-con before, but don't you want more neo-cons to be ex-neo-cons? Seriously, he has good ideas. He ain't Ron Paul for sure, but he's our best option. People actually notice his coverage and might listen to him. Chuck Baldwin is practically unheard of, I'd prefer him, but I don't think he's going to be on the ballot in every state. Bob, probably might.

Your collectivist "we" bothers me. I am encouraging every Ron Paul supporter to exercise their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience regarding their most revered constitutional right to vote for whomsoever they choose.

 

[EastWindRain]

Chuck Baldwin supporters come on over to

http://www.chuckbaldwinforum.com/index.php

and get your butts in gear. There is a lot of work to do. If you do nothing the NeoCon Zionists will win again. Fight with all your might, your country and lives depend on it. There is still time. The majority of the people do not want to vote for Obama or McCain. This election is so available for a third party victory. Seize it now.

 

[Time for Change]

Ok...this has been bugging me for a long time.

HOW EXACTLY DOES ANYONE PLAN TO WRITE IN A NAME ON A TOUCH SCREEN COMPUTER?
A Machine that is going to "shift" the votes the way they are intended to go, regardless of the count.

Think about it people.
His name won't even be on the ballot, and there is NO place for a write-in.
Period.
Ain't happening.

..We are much smarter than this.

I am just as pissed off about this election and the scum the media has chosen to lead us into national bankruptcy as anyone, but this thinking is not rational.

I switched from democrat FOR RON PAUL.
I was apparently never a democrat, because I favor conservatism, but I never paid enough attention to know I was wrong.
NOW that I have heard, researched and learned...I have a completely NEW perspective of politics and the predetermined leaders that get "Elected" every cycle.
I will leave that alone for now.

I have toyed with several options:

• vote McNuts to stop the Osama Welfare Machine
• Vote Barr, because he sounds a lot like Dr Paul (suspiciously so)
• Vote Nader, just to be an ass
• Or any other third party to make a statement.

The problem I have is that even though all of us are united behind the revolution, when the gears were shifted, we did not sync.
Too many of us are moving in different directions to be decisively effective.
We will end up simply diluting the vote if we do not find unity and work our asses off to maintain that unity and use the grassroots to effectively CHANGE this god forsaken system.

If we look at this reasonably:
We all know that we are facing 4 to 8 years of bad leadership from a puppet president, because in reality, the media is not going to allow any third party to gain any traction, let alone anyone with the nuts to contest the currently turning wheels of "Progress"
I should have said second party, because as it stands now, there is no major separation in mindset, other than a slight perspective shift in welfare.
McHandout supports it from "Across the aisle", Osama lives for allowing better benefits for those "Oppressed" people that don’t get paid enough for breeding and watching TV while attaining the 300 pound weight division.

So what do we do?
I cannot effectively deliver my thinking at this point, but I will soon.

In the mean time, we should:

• pull together to be certain that we elect responsible and HONEST representatives to assist us in stopping the inevitable irrationality, regulation and outright theft that will come from the executive offices.
• Make all necessary personal budgetary cuts and lifestyle changes to assist us in surviving this storm-a-brewin.
• maintain all our alliances with our revolution brethren...discreetly...because this internet revolution will be constricted very shortly (look it up)
• plan, plan, plan...just in case we actually do have a SHTF situation upon us we need plans in place to assure the survival and health of our loved ones

 

[LibertyEagle]

Vote your conscience when choosing who to vote for as President. The same thing you were doing when you chose to support Ron Paul. Who do you think is the best person on the ticket? That is what I am going to do. Everyone has to make up their own minds.

As far as what we as a movement can do together... I would hope we would realize that the race for the President is only one small thing. There are tons of other offices to fill with liberty-minded candidates. Not to mention a lot of people out there that we have to educate, in terms that they understand and in ways that hit home for THEM.

In my opinion, it's going to require all of us to get very involved in our local communities and state governments. For some, that is going to mean running for office of one sort or another (from dog catcher on up), for others it will be figuring out how to attract people to local meetings in your town or home, to discuss liberty-minded issues or books, others it may be to get very versed in Robert's Rules of Order and do whatever is necessary to infiltrate the hell out of the GOP. Finally, for others it may be to support those who are doing these things. I'm sure I've left off a ton of things.

To me, the most important thing is that we don't splinter over this presidential election. We may choose different candidates, but we are all on the same team. Most of us knew that it was a pipe dream for us to win the presidency and fix this thing from the top down. Even if Ron would have won, he couldn't have done it alone. Mainly because he wouldn't be a dictator..... he would follow the Constitution. But still, we all know it would have been a WONDERFUL start and we wanted to try our best to make it happen. Unfortunately, we're back to reality now, but Ron has given us something very wonderful. He has awakened a lot of us up and brought us together. Finally, for a number of us, we see that there is another option. One that isn't just the same 'ol BS dished out every time by the Dems and the Repubs. It is something well worth fighting for and even though it won't be easy, if we play our cards right and if God shines upon us, we can win this thing. (Note: Yes, I believe in God, so please allow me the individual liberty to believe as I choose, if you believe otherwise). Regardless, we have no other option than to work like hell and give it all we've got.

Together, we can do this.

 

[amy31416]

Vote your conscience when choosing who to vote for as President. The same thing you were doing when you chose to support Ron Paul. Who do you think is the best person on the ticket? That is what I am going to do. Everyone has to make up their own minds.

As far as what we as a movement can do together... I would hope we would realize that the race for the President is only one small thing. There are tons of other offices to fill with liberty-minded candidates. Not to mention a lot of people out there that we have to educate, in terms that they understand and in ways that hit home for THEM.

In my opinion, it's going to require all of us to get very involved in our local communities and state governments. For some, that is going to mean running for office of one sort or another (from dog catcher on up), for others it will be figuring out how to attract people to local meetings in your town or home, to discuss liberty-minded issues or books, others it may be to get very versed in Robert's Rules of Order and do whatever is necessary to infiltrate the hell out of the GOP. Finally, for others it may be to support those who are doing these things. I'm sure I've left off a ton of things.

To me, the most important thing is that we don't splinter over this presidential election. We may choose different candidates, but we are all on the same team. Most of us knew that it was a pipe dream for us to win the presidency and fix this thing from the top down. Even if Ron would have won, he couldn't have done it alone. Mainly because he wouldn't be a dictator..... he would follow the Constitution. But still, we all know it would have been a WONDERFUL start and we wanted to try our best to make it happen. Unfortunately, we're back to reality now, but Ron has given us something very wonderful. He has awakened a lot of us up and brought us together. Finally, for a number of us, we see that there is another option. One that isn't just the same 'ol BS dished out every time by the Dems and the Repubs. It is something well worth fighting for and even though it won't be easy, if we play our cards right and if God shines upon us, we can win this thing. (Note: Yes, I believe in God, so please allow me the individual liberty to believe as I choose, if you believe otherwise). Regardless, we have no other option than to work like hell and give it all we've got.

Together, we can do this.

Great post LE. Agreed.

 

[Up Front]

Most states won't even count them. Here's his quote:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021556.html

It does not matter whethere they count them or not WRITE HIS NAME IN.

There is no other person to vote for...period

 

[Up Front]

or DO NOT VOTE AT ALL

 

[Time for Change]

How do you write in a name on a touch screen computer?

Somebody, anybody?

It cannot be done.

It is a waste of time to consider such a foolish option (no offense directed toward anyone here)

"I'm gonna write in somebody who is not on the ballot, who outright told me not to do so"
WTF people.

Ron told us to support liberty candidates, so we should get busy and determine who our local liberty candidates are and get busy "Marketing" them.

Clock is ticking...

 

[SnappleLlama]

How do you write in a name on a touch screen computer?

Somebody, anybody?

It cannot be done.

It is a waste of time to consider such a foolish option (no offense directed toward anyone here)

"I'm gonna write in somebody who is not on the ballot, who outright told me not to do so"
WTF people.

Ron told us to support liberty candidates, so we should get busy and determine who our local liberty candidates are and get busy "Marketing" them.

Clock is ticking...

You can request a paper ballot for a write-in. I wrote to my local elections office and that's the response they gave me.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Your collectivist "we" bothers me. I am encouraging every Ron Paul supporter to exercise their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience regarding their most revered constitutional right to vote for whomsoever they choose.

Just because I want a lot of support to go to Barr? A pro-liberty candidate would be nice. I'm trying to be friends with you guys and talk peacefully? I don't care if it's "collectivist."

 

[Time for Change]

You can request a paper ballot for a write-in. I wrote to my local elections office and that's the response they gave me.

Let me preface this with the fact that I had panic attacks when the media played their games, and more when he ended his bid for office.
I am a tried and true RP supporter, and always will do whatever is necessary for liberty.
SO please do not misinterpret my comments as not being a true RP supporter.

The question is...regardless of the fact that the vote is cast for a person WHO IS NOT RUNNING...

Will they count the vote?

Judging by past fiasco...Likely NOT.

So what is the point of this decision?
I understand the principle, and wish it could make some kind of difference, but it cannot change the fact that Ron is NOT RUNNING.

What purpose will that vote serve, knowing that masses of people who have never voted in their lives will be swamping the polls to vote for a person based solely on 1/2 of his racial afiliations?
A person who stands ready and eager to enact further economically crippling social programs with favoritism toward only one group of people, while robbing the other groups to pay for it.

Do you really want to negate any potential to defeat his ignorant bid to lead our nation into further financial trouble?
Additionally, consider the collectivist mindset associated with this man.
He openly supports additional racial divide, judging by his past and present comments and associations.

So, that said, what can come of casting a vote for a person who is not even running for office?
Might as well vote for Mickey Mouse; as, the result will be the same.

 

[Eleutheros]

So, that said, what can come of casting a vote for a person who is not even running for office?

The simple fact and satisfaction that you voted for who you felt should be best qualified and not settling for "the lesser of two evils" should be more than sufficient.

When you vote based on principle, not only do you treat your ballot as a ballot and not as a lottery ticket or racing form, but in some respects, the outcome should be irrelevant. You are only responsible for who YOU vote for, not who someone else votes for.

ETA: I'd vote for Mickey Mouse myself if I thought he was most qualified (and I've seen my share of elections where Mickey Mouse would've been the better choice over who was on the ballot).