Would you support a proabortion candidate if the were for partial birth abortion, etc?

[klamath]

Would you support a candidate that was good on every other issue but supported abortions all the way up to hours before term. Believed the world was over populated and used his office to encourage more abortions at all levels? Also believed that adult child sex was between them and people should stay the fuck out of their business including the parents. You know kind of like a lot of libertarian candidates believe.

 

[AuH20]

No. You have to be a real sicko to push for partial abortion procedures.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You know, the only person I've ever heard advocate for legalization of children having sex was Mary Ruwart. I hope she never gains traction if for no other reason than to avoid the whole "Libertarians support child abuse" tirade that would inevitably be launched by the MSM. There might be someone who agrees with Ruwart, but I think that's a minority.

 

[Christian Liberty]

No. You have to be a real sicko to push for partial abortion procedures.

What if someone voted against the Federal ban on constitutional grounds? Would you immediately assume they were "For" PBA or would you check their reasoning?

For what its worth, I'm not really sure why PBA is any more murderous than any other kind of abortion. It just looks worse, but its really the same.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Depends.. are they pro or anti aborting of fully born children with drone mobile clinics.

 

[compromise]

Virtually all of the current people thought as "liberty candidates" (with the exception of a handful of a few minor fringe LP guys) oppose partial birth abortion. Even Gary Johnson and Richard Tisei opposed partial birth abortion.

 

[klamath]

Depends.. are they pro or anti aborting of fully born children with drone mobile clinics.

No drone mobile clinics just full deliberate with malice aforethought torture by severe burning of the bodies with caustic agents then slow meticulous dismemberment of the most helpless and innocent in numbers that dwarf all the killing of war. That kind.

 

[jonhowe]

As someone who was until recently completely pro choice (this board changed my mind on the issue. Things do change!), I probably would if the candidate agreed with the preponderance of my other views. I can understand the logic they are using, and I know that having that view does not make you bad by default. There are bigger issues at stake than just abortion.

 

[rpfocus]

Would you support a candidate that was good on every other issue but supported abortions all the way up to hours before term. Believed the world was over populated and used his office to encourage more abortions at all levels? Also believed that adult child sex was between them and people should stay the fuck out of their business including the parents. You know kind of like a lot of libertarian candidates believe.

Oh please. Please name "a lot of" the libertarian candidates that believe 'the world is over populated and encourage more abortions at all levels.' What percentage of abortions during the 3rd trimester and "hours before term" are people waltzing in because they were too lazy to get one earlier. We know the problem GOP Conservatives have isn't late term abortion, it's abortion period. A law already exists regarding PBA - The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Unsurprisingly, it hasn't stopped Republicans from going for broke trying every trick in the book to remove access to abortion clinics.

 

[Brett85]

You know, the only person I've ever heard advocate for legalization of children having sex was Mary Ruwart.

A lot of members here have said they support doing away with age of consent laws for sex.

 

[klamath]

Oh please. Please name "a lot of" the libertarian candidates that believe 'the world is over populated and encourage more abortions at all levels.' What percentage of abortions during the 3rd trimester and "hours before term" are people waltzing in because they were too lazy to get one earlier. We know the problem GOP Conservatives have isn't late term abortion, it's abortion period. A law already exists regarding PBA - The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Unsurprisingly, it hasn't stopped Republicans from going for broke trying every trick in the book to remove access to abortion clinics.

You are right I do. This thread has something to do with two other threads recently started that were intentionally worded to modify the outcome of the responses. Then again maybe the results to the questions about war and abortion were correctly polling the members of the libertarian community and reinforces my belief that prochoice libertarians are actually more evil the Neocons.

 

[jbauer]

I would not, but I don't consider myself to be a big "L" libertarian either.

Murder is murder and nonviolence is and should be non-violent.

 

[rpfocus]

You are right I do. This thread has something to do with two other threads recently started that were intentionally worded to modify the outcome of the responses. Then again maybe the results to the questions about war and abortion were correctly polling the members of the libertarian community and reinforces my belief that prochoice libertarians are actually more evil the Neocons.

I don't know about the two other threads, I don't believe I participated in them, so I have no idea what you're talking about regarding modifying the responses. Perhaps you should have included that background in your initial post. But now that you've admitted the your problem isn't late term abortion, but abortion in general perhaps you should amend the thread topic. It seems you were the one attempting to modify the outcome of the responses. I'm still waiting for you to name all the libertarian candidates that believe 'the world is over populated and encourage more abortions at all levels.'

Also, please remember how evil we are before you come knocking on our door next election begging us to vote for your crap candidate, and when we don't, blaming us for your loss.

 

[klamath]

I don't know about the two other threads, I don't believe I participated in them, so I have no idea what you're talking about regarding modifying the responses. Perhaps you should have included that background in your initial post. But now that you've admitted the your problem isn't late term abortion, but abortion in general perhaps you should amend the thread topic. It seems you were the one attempting to modify the outcome of the responses. I'm still waiting for you to name all the libertarian candidates that believe 'the world is over populated and encourage more abortions at all levels.'

Also, please remember how evil we are before you come knocking on our door next election begging us to vote for your crap candidate, and when we don't, blaming us for your loss.

I will never try and get someone like you to vote for my candidate but don't expect me to stand by while you attack them. Yeaw trying to modify the response is exactly what I was trying to do, to prove a point.

 

[Christian Liberty]

A lot of members here have said they support doing away with age of consent laws for sex.

I think that most of them meant that you shouldn't have a one size fits all solution, not that its OK to sleep with a 5 year old.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You are right I do. This thread has something to do with two other threads recently started that were intentionally worded to modify the outcome of the responses. Then again maybe the results to the questions about war and abortion were correctly polling the members of the libertarian community and reinforces my belief that prochoice libertarians are actually more evil the Neocons.

I disagree with the last bit, but agree with the rest. The problem is that pro-choice libertarians are pro-choice out of a flawed understanding of freedom, whereas neocons don't want anyone to be free, ever.

 

[jonhowe]

You are right I do. This thread has something to do with two other threads recently started that were intentionally worded to modify the outcome of the responses. Then again maybe the results to the questions about war and abortion were correctly polling the members of the libertarian community and reinforces my belief that prochoice libertarians are actually more evil the Neocons.

99% percent of people who support abortion are not evil. They simply have framed the problem wrong in their heads. They see it as a women's rights issue. This is why most debates on the topic go nowhere; the two sides are having completely different discussions.

What got me to really reconsider was someone who asked if it would be ok to kill a baby born 4 months premature. At first I thought, "sure, that'd be silly. But there is a limit to how premature a baby can be born and still survive, so THAT should be the cutoff for abortion". Then I realized that with advances in science and medicine, that cutoff point would be continuously pushed back. That realization showed me that my logic was flawed. I'm still not 100% "pro life"; I think the safety of the mother should be taken into consideration (though this is quite rare these days. It happens, but it's rare), and I also think 1st trimester abortions should be legal, simply to avoid the black marketization of the procedure.

I also know that when I mentioned this change of heart to my female friends (in NYC, mind you) they were quite unhappy with me.

 

[Christian Liberty]

99% percent of people who support abortion are not evil. They simply have framed the problem wrong in their heads. They see it as a women's rights issue. This is why most debates on the topic go nowhere; the two sides are having completely different discussions.

What got me to really reconsider was someone who asked if it would be ok to kill a baby born 4 months premature. At first I thought, "sure, that'd be silly. But there is a limit to how premature a baby can be born and still survive, so THAT should be the cutoff for abortion". Then I realized that with advances in science and medicine, that cutoff point would be continuously pushed back. That realization showed me that my logic was flawed. I'm still not 100% "pro life"; I think the safety of the mother should be taken into consideration (though this is quite rare these days. It happens, but it's rare), and I also think 1st trimester abortions should be legal, simply to avoid the black marketization of the procedure.

I also know that when I mentioned this change of heart to my female friends (in NYC, mind you) they were quite unhappy with me.

Your position sounds like Blockean Evictionism, at least in practice.

 

[Ender]

Would you support a candidate that was good on every other issue but supported abortions all the way up to hours before term. Believed the world was over populated and used his office to encourage more abortions at all levels? Also believed that adult child sex was between them and people should stay the fuck out of their business including the parents. You know kind of like a lot of libertarian candidates believe.

What "candidate" are we talking about? Presidential?

I'd support a presidential candidate who got the federal government out of abortion and left it to the states.

 

[jonhowe]

Your position sounds like Blockean Evictionism, at least in practice.

Translation?