Would love an educated response to this...

[MyLibertyStuff]

Anybody whose ever served knows you don't pick the wars you fight, you go where you're sent. Can you name one war in the history of mankind where innocents didn't get killed? It was crap just like this that gave the entire generation that served in Vietnam a permanent black eye. It was literally the same exact garbage, American troops killing old ladies and kids. They find the miniscule percentage of troops willing to openly bash American policy and they exploit them for their own ends. Don't like the war? Then vote the politicians out who ordered it, but don't bash the grunts fighting it. Your buddy "Scorpio" has some interesting opinions on things, like why isn't Pakistan using their nuclear weapons (against us I presume)? This is nothing but Anti-American Muslim propaganda you're spreading around, and its bullshit.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It takes two to tango.

One to give the orders.

One to follow the orders.

Each have a degree of responsibility.

 

[MyLibertyStuff]

but in this case, not following orders will lead to being treated as a felon or worse...

 

[emazur]

Then vote the politicians out who ordered it, but don't bash the grunts fighting it.

I mostly agree with that. Hell, even Michael Moore does. However, if troops obey unconstitutional orders, or if they make decisions on their own to ignore the Constitution, there is certainly room for criticizing the troops.

 

[Pat Buchanan Conservative]

but in this case, not following orders will lead to being treated as a felon or worse...

To answer your question, first I support the troops even if i don't support the wars and have never found them to be 'babykillers' or whatever. Secondly, I despise the hippie movement since the SDS was a communist group but Vietnam was an undeclared war, McNamara told a lot of lies about it to lead us in, and D.C. never listened to the troops on the ground to win it. There's never been a war in our interests since the Mexican-American War. Finally instead of meddling with other countries' affairs we should secure our own borders and protect our families.

 

[phill4paul]

Edit..NVM... answer coming

Sorry, I took the rant differently. Thought it linked to some certain event.

It all comes down to obeisance.

This nation is ALL about obeisance.

 

[pcosmar]

but in this case, not following orders will lead to being treated as a felon or worse...

Better an honest felon then.

 

[Anti Federalist]

but in this case, not following orders will lead to being treated as a felon or worse...

Yes, doing the right thing often has severe consequences.

 

[Pat Buchanan Conservative]

Yes, doing the right thing often has severe consequences.

Do you give taxes to the IRS? Do you send your child to public schools?

 

[hazek]

Anybody whose ever served knows you don't pick the wars you fight, you go where you're sent. Can you name one war in the history of mankind where innocents didn't get killed? It was crap just like this that gave the entire generation that served in Vietnam a permanent black eye. It was literally the same exact garbage, American troops killing old ladies and kids. They find the miniscule percentage of troops willing to openly bash American policy and they exploit them for their own ends. Don't like the war? Then vote the politicians out who ordered it, but don't bash the grunts fighting it. Your buddy "Scorpio" has some interesting opinions on things, like why isn't Pakistan using their nuclear weapons (against us I presume)? This is nothing but Anti-American Muslim propaganda you're spreading around, and its bullshit.

You live in fantasy land:

 

[ClayTrainor]

Claiming you are just following orders is the classic nazi defense. It is also the same excuse used by virtually every man in government uniform who has committed an aggressive action against other people.

If your actions resulted in the deaths of innocent people, than you are accountable.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Do you give taxes to the IRS? Do you send your child to public schools?

No and no.

 

[Pat Buchanan Conservative]

No and no.

Well not trying to sound like a jerk here but look everyone who knows me knows that I have opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as much as anyone along with the Libyan fiasco and any attack on Iran. However I also would have opposed the Vietnam War because it was not within our interests but that doesn't mean I would call Vietnam veterans which include my grandfather 'babykillers.' Besides a lot of veterans of these two wars have returned home and become anti-war.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well not trying to sound like a jerk here but look everyone who knows me knows that I have opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as much as anyone along with the Libyan fiasco and any attack on Iran. However I also would have opposed the Vietnam War because it was not within our interests but that doesn't mean I would call Vietnam veterans which include my grandfather 'babykillers.' Besides a lot of veterans of these two wars have returned home and become anti-war.

Nobody here was calling anybody "babykillers".

That said, if you follow the orders you have some level of culpability.

 

[phill4paul]

Well not trying to sound like a jerk here but look everyone who knows me knows that I have opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as much as anyone along with the Libyan fiasco and any attack on Iran. However I also would have opposed the Vietnam War because it was not within our interests but that doesn't mean I would call Vietnam veterans which include my grandfather 'babykillers.'

If a respected next door neighbor killed his child over economic reasons would you defend him?

Either we hold individuals to personal actions or we hold to GOVERNMENT principles of sanctions.

 

[pcosmar]

Besides a lot of veterans of these two wars have returned home and become anti-war.

This is true. Why do you think that is?

When I was in, they taught that refusing unlawful orders was a responsibility.

I also remember that fragging was common in Nam.
I believe that it should be practiced a lot more.

 

[Pat Buchanan Conservative]

If a respected next door neighbor killed his child over economic reasons would you defend him?

Either we hold individuals to personal actions or we hold to GOVERNMENT principles of sanctions.

Well then that begs the question. Let's say if my grandfather threw a grenade and killed a Vietcong man and his wife. What does that make him?

 

[ClayTrainor]

Well then that begs the question. Let's say if my grandfather threw a grenade and killed a Vietcong man and his wife. What does that make him?

A government hired killer.

 

[AuH20]

Anybody whose ever served knows you don't pick the wars you fight, you go where you're sent. Can you name one war in the history of mankind where innocents didn't get killed? It was crap just like this that gave the entire generation that served in Vietnam a permanent black eye. It was literally the same exact garbage, American troops killing old ladies and kids. They find the miniscule percentage of troops willing to openly bash American policy and they exploit them for their own ends. Don't like the war? Then vote the politicians out who ordered it, but don't bash the grunts fighting it. Your buddy "Scorpio" has some interesting opinions on things, like why isn't Pakistan using their nuclear weapons (against us I presume)? This is nothing but Anti-American Muslim propaganda you're spreading around, and its bullshit.

It's ultimately based on the composure and value system of the said individuals. For example, My Lai didn't occur because their superiors told them do so, but many were thrown into an asymmetrical conflict which is beyond stressful. There are unstable, weak individuals in the military just like there is a representative percentage in overall society.

 

[pcosmar]

Well then that begs the question. Let's say if my grandfather threw a grenade and killed a Vietcong man and his wife. What does that make him?

Guilty of murder. tried or not.
There is a final judge we all answer to.