WORST President? (Poll 2/3)

[Aratus]

the powers that be are DNA testing to confirm the confusions
engendered by these doctrinaire vintage 1850s family trees.

 

[Aratus]

the rEVOLUTIOn tea party was not a bad idea
going to St. Paul to contest things most mccain/feingold
is a very brilliant move! an' gettin' the au-h2o planking in place
mayhap cools some whitehouse meglomania! i have my choises!

 

[Aratus]

bo-sox fans can be over the top... yes! ~~~boston has very lousy traffic flows!
its still a grid of colonial goat-paths! the "hub" designation is from the spokes
of the wheel from an old surveyors map out onto the early nearby settlements!

 

[Aratus]

pessimistically the above poll did not extend to our hypothetical next three
presidents! irreguardless of who gets in, they may only be one term... and if a crisis
deepens, the opposing party if not a new party altogether then wins, and if things
worsen some more almost past what happens to hoover... who knows what next!!!

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

The great Presidents eradicated the tyranny caused by a developing caste system

Abe made the first real grab for executive power, setting the stage for future abuses by his successors.

Because our government started off with only 1 party, a natural totalitarian system arose during the infancy of our nation's functioning. This represented the first grab for executive power when the legal precedent of the 2 party system was created. While the Federalists party was created as a challenge to ammend the Constitution, the Democratic Republican party was created to preserve it. The Democratic Republicans feared that any ammending process would go beyond simple clarification to the degree that the whole Constitution would be thrown out.
The legal precedent of the 2 party system allowed government a way of interpreting the Constitutionality of laws because the Supreme Court at that time did not handle such a function as it was only in the business of penalizing states with "Writs of Mandimus." So, if they wanted to express their interpretation of the Constitution, a party needed to win executive power.
Lincoln did indeed increase the power of the Executive branch but he did so to preserve the Union as a modern civilization. He achieved this task by both the freeing of the slaves and the binding of the masters. Both of these tasks were needed to keep the natural form of a primitive caste system out of our modern civilization.

In addition, due to his poor handling of the Civil War and Reconstruction, we still have race relations problems today, a hundred and fifty years after the end of slavery.

Before the time of Confucius and Socrates, teachers were only in the business of training. They trained the children of the "master" castes how to take the reigns of power to prepare them for the end of their parent's rule. No one dared consider that the poor children of the serving "slave" castes could learn how to improve their happiness (which Socrates called the "good life") because such an idea endangered the futile functioning of the primitive system. So, everyone subsisted content together while dynasties from around the world perpetuated themselves for thousands of years.
Confucius in China put pressure on such dynasties when he said that: The children should obey their parents; the wives should obey their husbands; the men should obey their government; while, in turn, the government should serve the people.
More significant, it was Socrates who introduced to the world the concept of the midwife philosopher (serving teacher) to the poor. He believed every human soul existed in equal form before the time of their existence with each mind knowing everything there was to know. After darkness entered their minds during the traumatic event of their births, it was only then that all knowledge was lost. So, unlike the trainers of his time, Socrates served. He served the poor mind so that it might "recollect" knowledge that had been lost to it.
So, while government functioned as a primitive caste system of a master and slave relationship prior to both Confucius and Socrates, both of these philosophers introduced a modern concept of positive government where all people might find a degree of happiness for themselves.
As the primitive government is a natural one and the modern unnatural, there will always be pressure for modern governments to return to their natural, primitive state. So, it is naive to think that just because we freed the slaves once we have rid our nation forever of a primitive caste system. This is a process that requires a continual battle by us. This battle involves constant eradication of the caste system with the slave constantly having to be freed and the master constantly having to be bound.

Two examples of how our nation is eroding back into the tyranny of a primitive caste system are through the processes of our taxation and of our legal system. As taxes are working to eradicate the middle class from our nation for the purpose of giving money to a rich master class and to a poor slave caste, the verdicts of our legal system are sentencing people into winning master castes and into losing slave ones. As our lawmakers create legal precedents which erode our nation back into tyranny, the civil purpose our founding fathers designed into the Constitution was to eradicate such a tyranny.

 

[AutoDas]

Have you been to a public school? The children and teachers are certainly not happy. If government is there to make citizens happy then it's no wonder we have a corruptible government with politicians making half-truths just to get elected. I bet giving everyone a FREE Escalade (with rims) would make the citizens happy. It's not the government to pursue happiness for you.

 

[freedom-maniac]

WHY IS GEORGE W. BUSH NOT ON THAT LIST???????

Besides Bush, I'd have to say....Johnson, Johnson, Johnson. (LBJ). He was an eerie predecesor of Bush...Vietnam, socialism, etc.

And stop bashing on FDR. The man was a classical liberal before the Depression. Even during the 20s he was stressing that the government should keep out of business. THe only reason he had the New Deal was to get the country back on its feet instead of sitting around on his rear while people are starving like Hoover did (and by the way, Hoover didn't believe in "hands off" on the economy. His plan for helping the economy was to aid the big business owners, so while everyday people were starving, millionaires were being catered too by the govt. He was probably our first corpratist.)

 

[nate895]

WHY IS GEORGE W. BUSH NOT ON THAT LIST???????

Besides Bush, I'd have to say....Johnson, Johnson, Johnson. (LBJ). He was an eerie predecesor of Bush...Vietnam, socialism, etc.

And stop bashing on FDR. The man was a classical liberal before the Depression. Even during the 20s he was stressing that the government should keep out of business. THe only reason he had the New Deal was to get the country back on its feet instead of sitting around on his rear while people are starving like Hoover did (and by the way, Hoover didn't believe in "hands off" on the economy. His plan for helping the economy was to aid the big business owners, so while everyday people were starving, millionaires were being catered too by the govt. He was probably our first corpratist.)

Of course, the Great Depression would have never happened without the Fed greatly inflating the money supply.

 

[James Madison]

And stop bashing on FDR. The man was a classical liberal before the Depression. Even during the 20s he was stressing that the government should keep out of business. THe only reason he had the New Deal was to get the country back on its feet instead of sitting around on his rear while people are starving like Hoover did (and by the way, Hoover didn't believe in "hands off" on the economy. His plan for helping the economy was to aid the big business owners, so while everyday people were starving, millionaires were being catered too by the govt. He was probably our first corpratist.)

I see where you're coming from but my biggest gripe about FDR was that the man ran for FOUR terms and probably would have sought more if he didn't die in '45. It seems to me that he wanted to be "King of the United States" instead of the President of the United States.

 

[AutoDas]

I see where you're coming from but my biggest gripe about FDR was that the man ran for FOUR terms and probably would have sought more if he didn't die in '45. It seems to me that he wanted to be "King of the United States" instead of the President of the United States.

what does that have to do with his policies? The people voted for him all four terms.

 

[James Madison]

what does that have to do with his policies? The people voted for him all four terms.

It doesn't really. Like I said my personal gripe with him is that he ran four times. There are plenty of his policies that have damned this country.

 

[Kludge]

WHY IS GEORGE W. BUSH NOT ON THAT LIST???????

Besides Bush, I'd have to say....Johnson, Johnson, Johnson. (LBJ). He was an eerie predecesor of Bush...Vietnam, socialism, etc.

And stop bashing on FDR. The man was a classical liberal before the Depression. Even during the 20s he was stressing that the government should keep out of business. THe only reason he had the New Deal was to get the country back on its feet instead of sitting around on his rear while people are starving like Hoover did (and by the way, Hoover didn't believe in "hands off" on the economy. His plan for helping the economy was to aid the big business owners, so while everyday people were starving, millionaires were being catered too by the govt. He was probably our first corpratist.)

I figured Bush would be an easy win, so he was excluded from the first poll (and thus indirectly excluded from the 2nd)

 

[Fox McCloud]

And stop bashing on FDR. The man was a classical liberal before the Depression. Even during the 20s he was stressing that the government should keep out of business. THe only reason he had the New Deal was to get the country back on its feet instead of sitting around on his rear while people are starving like Hoover did (and by the way, Hoover didn't believe in "hands off" on the economy. His plan for helping the economy was to aid the big business owners, so while everyday people were starving, millionaires were being catered too by the govt. He was probably our first corpratist.)

I'll bash FDR all I want; regardless of what the situation is, his actions of institution the New Deal policies are a betrayal to America, future generations, not to mention his own principles. Also, what would be aiding the hungry and poor by instituting something like social security? That's totally out of line with those ideals and borders on open socialism (oh wait, it is).

I'm not excusing Hoover's actions, as they're bad too, but FDR's actions had much more long-term damaging effects to this country than did Hoover's actions.

Also, as someone pointed out; the Depression would have never happened if the Fed wasn't put in place, and the gold standard, kept.

 

[sophocles07]

Wilson

At least one source of modern problems of foreign policy and economy.

 

[Kludge]

bump

 

[Smiley Gladhands]

I vote Wilson. Fed, Income Tax, War on Drugs, War to End All Wars, etc.

And even if he was sorry at some point that he allowed the Fed the be created, that doesn't help his case at all IMO. Ignorance is no excuse, and he sure didn't get the Fed un-created afterwards, so he gets the worst president award.

 

[CelestialRender]

It's a hard call between a few of those, but I (anti-)voted Nixon.

The repeal of Bretton-Woods, and the formation of the modern managed-care system trump everyone but possibly FDR and Lincoln in my mind.

However, I see moral ambiguity, and misguidedness in both Lincoln and FDR, and no such mitigation for Nixon...he was just a <expletive>.

 

[mdh]

I went for Lincoln... and probably would again, but it seems silly that LBJ didn't make the list.

Wilson is definitly worthy, but Lincoln was the first true tyrant, who set the stage for all who would come after him.

 

[AutoDas]

LBJ has 4 votes.^

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

ABSOLUTELY! He is depicted as a savior by the mainstream, but he is the biggest cause of our troubles today. Suddenly it became acceptable for the government to spend out of control, to bail out banks and citizens, to tease other nations into attacking (Pearl Harbor), and of course...the grand daddy of them all, Japanese-American imprisonment. He may not be the most EVIL (Andrew Jackson?), but he is the cause of many problems we face today. People loved him because he just willfully fabricated money for the so-called better of the nation and average citizens. During the time, many Americans started to lose all faith in capitalism and were desperate for a more socialist/communist system. So, what did FDR to bring them back from such thoughts? He simply implemented socialist policies. Gee...no wonder why there are more regulations on business than there is businesses.

This is when the COWARDS in Washington D.C. hide behind the 2 most powerful words used as the excuse to basically conduct ANYTHING Illegal and OVERRULE the U.S. Constitution...


NATIONAL SECURITY


There's your excuse to becoming a FASCIST state, a Dictatorship, Socialist Regime.
Washington D.C. is no different than the most evil of countries... it's all well Polished, well contrived, and rehearsed in comparison.

Woodrow Wilson lit the FLAME that has the U.S. Constitution burning, the other Presidential Regimes, threw more flammable materials onto our Sacred Rights!