WORST President? (Poll 2/3)

[Bradley in DC]

LBJ was bad, Truman was worse, and Wilson worse still. But it's gotta be "Honest" Abe was the worst president ever. Maybe we should get a thread going on the BEST president?

Grover Cleveland
Martin van Buren
Calvin Coolidge

(Oh, I voted for the court packing, gold-grabbing war monger FDR for worst--so many good choices though)

 

[AutoDas]

I think Thomas Jefferson is my favorite President but I'd like to hear more on Calvin Coolidge and explain why I was taught in school that every president elected during the 1920s was bad (I wonder why the people elected three Republicans in a row, then?)

 

[CoreyBowen999]

How can somebody vote Andrew Jackson..

 

[Paulitician]

I think Thomas Jefferson is my favorite President but I'd like to hear more on Calvin Coolidge and explain why I was taught in school that every president elected during the 1920s was bad (I wonder why the people elected three Republicans in a row, then?)

Schools teach stupid shit. They probably didn't like the Republicans because they believe they, especially Herbert Hoover, were hands off went it came to the economy, and that FDR was great because he took us out the Depression. Both aspects of that view are wrong, however, but you wouldn't know why with our horrible government schools. After looking back over my schooling, there was obvious propaganda supporting pro-statist, pro-collectivist and anti-individualist ideas now that I think about it. Thankfully, however, I had pretty good history and economics teachers. Most other people aren't so lucky. I think college does more damage though, since the material is deeper/harder and therefore more "official" even though they're very baised toward leftist positions, interpretations and revisionism.

 

[forsmant]

There already is a best president thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=70058

 

[forsmant]

I voted Woodrow Wilson. Anyone with the name Woodrow is probably a geek with the I'll show them, I'll take over the world mentality.

 

[James Madison]

There already is a best president thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=70058

Wasn't aware of that.

As for my favorite presidents I would have to go with Jefferson, Jackson, Van Buren, Cleveland, and Coolidge.

 

[Bradley in DC]

How can somebody vote Andrew Jackson..

Very mixed bag. I love his fight with Biddle, etc, but his actions as military commander especially in New Orleans and later as president with the Cherokee trail of tears were not high points.

 

[nate895]

Very mixed bag. I love his fight with Biddle, etc, but his actions as military commander especially in New Orleans and later as president with the Cherokee trail of tears were not high points.

At New Orleans, he sure did fight a good battle, though.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

In school I was taught that FDR saved us from the Great Depression. Why you guys be hatin.

 

[JaylieWoW]

In my humble, yet not quite completely studious opinion, Lincoln was the president that started everything rolling down the other side of the hill. I think it would have come to it eventually, understanding what I do now.

I reserve any character assessment of Lincoln because, simply, I've never met the chap. Additionally, hindsight as they say is always 20/20.

Still, I think much blame can be laid at the feet of his presidency, if not necessarily his personage.

 

[Deborah K]

Whew! Well, I'm just grateful my ancestors aren't on that list. lol I'm a decendent of Benjamin Harrison, signer of the Declaration of Independence, his son William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison. http://www.presidentbenjaminharrison.org/Harrison/Pres.htm both of whom were Presidents. Although, William gave an inaugural speech in the rain that was so long he ended up catching pneumonia and dying a month later. :o that's embarrassing to admit...

But the first Benjamin Harrison father to William, was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. And his signature is right under Thomas Jefferson's http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/harrison.htm


Any one else related to Presidents?

ps. I picked Woodrow Wilson for ushering in the Federal Reserve...... the creep!

 

[SeanEdwards]

"John Kennedy when he dined in the White House and had all the Nobel Prize winners there, President Kennedy made a toast and said, "We've never had this much genius in this room except when Jefferson dined alone.""

Jefferson was a great intellect.

He also owned slaves his entire life, died in poverty, and fathered illegitimate children on one of his slaves. He had promised to free his slaves upon his death, but he was unable to do so because of his failure to succeed at his vision of the yeoman farmer. He was paternalistically racist, and thought it was the duty of white men to manage the existence of incompetent black people.

 

[Kade]

Whew! Well, I'm just grateful my ancestors aren't on that list. lol I'm a decendent of Benjamin Harrison, signer of the Declaration of Independence, his son William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison. http://www.presidentbenjaminharrison.org/Harrison/Pres.htm both of whom were Presidents. Although, William gave an inaugural speech in the rain that was so long he ended up catching pneumonia and dying a month later. :o that's embarrassing to admit...

But the first Benjamin Harrison father to William, was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. And his signature is right under Thomas Jefferson's http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/signers/harrison.htm


Any one else related to Presidents?

ps. I picked Woodrow Wilson for ushering in the Federal Reserve...... the creep!

I am related to Thomas Jefferson directly through the Rogers line, and Zachary Taylor through the Rawlings-Lee line. Most of my maternal family still lives in Albemarle County, Virginia.

 

[Aratus]

This list is actually missing someone very, very important...

But, the poll itself is subjective.. I mean, seriously, why is Bill Clinton on there?

newt gingrich? people agreed with him???

(also, all opinion polls by definition are sublimely subjective!)

 

[Kade]

newt gingrich? people agreed with him???

(also, all opinion polls by definition are sublimely subjective!)

George Jr.?

I can pretty much tell you that my Grandkids one day will be hearing about this man, and what I think of him...

I lived in Gingrich's district in Georgia for several years, and then Barrs. Both the men are clowns.

 

[Aratus]

I am related to Thomas Jefferson directly through
the Rogers line, and Zachary Taylor through the Rawlings-Lee line. Most of
my maternal family still lives in Albemarle County, Virginia.

Kade, anything i claim is more indirect! aren't most of the virginian presidents
loosely related? as to our POTUS virginians, most likely norma jean baker was
a monroe through the late president's relatives. decendants of james monroe
actually live one town over from me, here in the baystate. their ancestor is his
youngest surviving daughter of his three children. i discovered this recently in
a local library when taking out a book, it had been a gift to the library...

since i have a peabody ancestor, i know JQA is a relative. i've got warren ancestors,
and am a decendant of elder brewster. then again, with my new amsterdam colony
ancestor meeting up with my french huguenat ancestor who as a Loyalist heads on up
to nova scotia in the 1780s as his patriot brother agrees to run the family farm, i MIGHT
be related to the Delanos. with my irish grandmother being a first cousin to the Kelly
who emigrated to philadelphia, even president clinton has to be tossed into the mix
for he too through his mother could be related to grace kelly!!! as to jfk, his ancestors
are on the other side of the island from galway! dare i meantion salem's laurie cabot?

Kade, any randolph blood? is john marshall also kith and kin? you have a very concise focus!
also correct me if i am wrong or mistaken, zach taylor is a relative of robert e. lee!!! so, Kade,
the fellow who ended up his days as the president of a university is also THY relative! if i remember
my history full well!!! loosely put, by blood or marriage, the loose ties of the old colonials!!!
the bay colony has anyone who has an ancestor prior to 1710 being related to everyone else!

 

[Kade]

Kade, anything i claim is more indirect! aren't most of the virginian presidents
loosely related? as to our POTUS virginians, most likely norma jean baker was
a monroe through the late president's relatives. decendants of james monroe
actually live one town over from me, here in the baystate. their ancestor is his
one surviving daughter of his three children. i discovered this recently in a local
library when taking out a book.

since i have a peabody ancestor, i know JQA is a relative. i've got warren ancestors,
and am a decendant of elder brewster. then again, with my new amsterdam colony
ancestor meeting up with my french huguenat ancestor who as a Loyalist heads on up
to nova scotia in the 1780s as his patriot brother agrees to run the family farm, i MIGHT
be related to the Delanos. with my irish grandmother being a first cousin to the Kelly
who emigrated to philadelphia, even president clinton has to be tossed into the mix
for he too through his mother could be related to grace kelly!!! as to jfk, his ancestors
are on the other side of the island from galway! dare i meantion salem's laurie cabot?

Kade, any randolph blood? is john marshall also kith and kin? you have a very concise focus!

On the same side, my mother's side of the family being mostly Virginians, I am direct, straight down the line descendant of both William Barton Rogers and Benjamin Franklin Randolph from Robert Randolph his son.

My great grandfather Charles Rogers Jr. had all daughters, and thus my name is permanently representative of my Mother's father, a son of a Portuguese immigrant. Because the lines mix so heavily towards the 17-18th centuries, there is a near guarantee that most anyone in the Virginia families you can name is of relation, as both Taylor and Jefferson trace lines to the Mayflower families. Rogers hall is named after this side of the family in William and Mary.

the Delano connection you have is interesting, I know a family in Georgia who were Delanos.

 

[Aratus]

i feel william harrison was ill fatedly unlucky. getting a winter cold from
a long drizzly snowflaked march day at his age was a minor tragedy.
john tyler did not have the full support of the newly appointed cabinet.
the 1800s did not always have instances of longevity. an ireland born
great uncle of mine happily served on the good ship Maine until perhaps they
go into the hotter climes, for he basically dies of food poisoning just before
the ship then tries to steam into port in havana in 1898. he may have known
some of the men killed by perhaps those two explosions, one being perhaps an
ancient aquatic mine, the other the ship's coal bin AFTER the waterspout that
some of the eyewitnesses saw. its still a mystery. another of my great uncles
was an irish cop in boston in 1919 during the stike that governor coolidge fires.

 

[Kade]

i feel william harrison was ill fatedly unlucky. getting a winter cold from
a long drizzly snowflaked march day at his age was a minor tragedy.
john tyler did not have the full support of the newly appointed cabinet.
the 1800s did not always have instances of longevity. an ireland born
great uncle of mine happily served on the good ship Maine until perhaps they
go into the hotter climes, for he basically dies of food poisoning just before
the ship then tries to steam into port in havana in 1898. he may have known
some of the men killed by perhaps those two explosions, one being perhaps an
ancient aquatic mine, the other the ship's coal bin AFTER the waterspout that
some of the eyewitnesses saw. its still a mystery. another of my great uncles
was an irish cop in boston in 1919 during the stike that governor coolidge fires.

You live in Boston now right? I'm there every weekend.

I've lived in many cities in my life, but Boston is the town of towns.