WORST President? (Poll 2/3)

Who - of these presidents - did the most harm to America? (public)


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He apologized for it at least.

Did he?

If you are talking about this common quote:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

I read the bold part was misattributed to him, and that he didn't actually say that line in his book.
 
Can someone elaborate on the hatred of Abe?

Unlawful suspension of habeas corpus, Greenbacks, imprisoning a US Congressman, imprisoning state reps, ordering the imprisonment of US Supreme Court chief justice, ordering slaves returned to their plantations after being freed, corporate welfare (canals, etc.), imprisoning critical news editors, etc.
 
Unlawful suspension of habeas corpus, Greenbacks, imprisoning a US Congressman, imprisoning state reps, ordering the imprisonment of US Supreme Court chief justice, ordering slaves returned to their plantations after being freed, corporate welfare (canals, etc.), imprisoning critical news editors, etc.

Oh now that's just scratching the surface
 
Unlawful suspension of habeas corpus, Greenbacks, imprisoning a US Congressman, imprisoning state reps, ordering the imprisonment of US Supreme Court chief justice, ordering slaves returned to their plantations after being freed, corporate welfare (canals, etc.), imprisoning critical news editors, etc.

Damn, I guess its all in the interpretors eyes. Its just I remember reading a certain book on the subject matter, and it outlined in very scholarly detail the reasonings and details of Lincoln's actions. Thats not to say that I approve of all those things, but I think the book gives life to the quote "the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions". At the very least I feel comfortable saying, that some of Lincolns actions seem more forgivable when put in the right context. Unlike our current President, I could at least say he had good intentions.
 
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Americans are losing their souls to tyranny today

Federal Reserve Act.

Can someone elaborate on the hatred of Abe?

This irrational hatred for Abraham Lincoln is a result of our loss of souls as Americans. While it is UnAmerican to be hateful and violent, we lash out as a result of losing our birthrights to 16 straight years of erosion towards tyranny.
I think many in this forum are just as lost in legal precedents as the tyrants they complain about. Hopefully we will rediscover our American souls as they are defined in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
 
Abe & Wilson were bad, but neither had the impact that FDR did.

FDR & crew created the modern US tyrannical state. The military industrial complex, the welfare system, the concentration of power in the exec branch...

FDR is also the only one on the list who is flat out socialist. (AFAIK)
 
Abe & Wilson were bad, but neither had the impact that FDR did.

FDR & crew created the modern US tyrannical state. The military industrial complex, the welfare system, the concentration of power in the exec branch...

FDR is also the only one on the list who is flat out socialist. (AFAIK)

Just what is the criteria used in making these determinations? My criteria is whether the former President was part of a movement to reestablish a Constitutional government. If a President wasn't part of such a movement to advance modern civilization, then his or her administration was part of an erosion away from it. These erosions towards tyranny helped reestablished the old master/slave caste systems of the past.

FDR created the New Deal movement to raise the level of the lower class (slaves) relative to that of the higher class of Robber Barons (masters) the government itself helped to create. These Barons were employed by the Government and literally given wealth as incentives to establish new industries like the railroads and steel industries.
Like all American movements of the past, the New Deal worked well at first before it spoiled into a can of slimey legal precedents.
Let us use Hillary as an example here. President Clinton's administration was part of an erosion towards tyranny regardless of his leadership abilities. The reason for this determination were the legal precedents his administration dug up from the out dated Civil Rights movement. He didn't help in reestablishing the Constitutional government over the United States but instead masked a hidden agenda with a false movement made up of prior legal precedents. Bush Jr. did the exact same thing but only in an inverse manner. His corrupt administration did not lead a movement with fresh measures to reestablish the civil purpose in the Constitution but he dug up old legal precedents from the Reagan years.

Western civilization was established on a socialist principle that the poor can learn to improve their lives when served by teachers (midwife philosophers).

In regards to the social redispersal of wealth to rid our nation of the primitive master/slave caste system?
When the government taxes the middle class out of business in order to redisperse their wealth to the poor and the rich, this is a form of tyranny because the process works to reestablish the old caste system of government as the middle class erodes to that of the master and the slave.
Likewise, when people choose a legal path of dispensing their government through judgement rather than choose the civil path of dispensing it through negotiation and compromise, the people exiting out of the courthouse do so as losers and winners. This legal process further reestablishes the old caste system of losing slaves and winning masters.
 
james buchanan, abe lincoln and jefferson davis did not create
the civil war, insted they saw what it did to their contemporaries.
 
Woodrow Wilson, hands down.

He signed the Federal Reserve Act, which made it possible for FDR to start all of his welfare programs....if he hadn't done that, Roosevelt would have had to tax the American people to DEATH to pay for everything he instituted....but since credit and fiat were the order of the day...it was possible.

Plus, the Fed causes so many more problems it's not funny.

AND he laid the basis of an interventionist foreign policy "we have to make the world safe for Democracy".

I'd say Wilson paved the way for FDR; without Wilson, I have my doubts if an FDR Presidency would have even been viable.

Heck, we might not have gotten involved in WWI if it weren't for Wilson, too.

Gee, he's worse than I thought, now that I think about it.
 
Abe made the first real grab for executive power, setting the stage for future abuses by his successors. In addition, due to his poor handling of the Civil War and Reconstruction, we still have race relations problems today, a hundred and fifty years after the end of slavery.
 
This list is actually missing someone very, very important...

But, the poll itself is subjective.. I mean, seriously, why is Bill Clinton on there?
 
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