With the media ignoring us, do we have a shot? Serious question

[Spanky]

so that's good right? Romney is my main concern

 

[bolidew]

Article V, I think your comments are constructive. The campaign needs to figure out something to improve the poll numbers. We know they need money but anything else they want help from the grassroots?

 

[Article V]

Article V, I think your comments are constructive.

Thanks.

 

[Article V]

According to my senior citizen friend here, he says, Cain is the token black guy in the race, last time it was Keyes...we don't have to worry about him, he has no chance...they are just pumping him up to create a favorable impression of the GOP..that's all.

Look, I agree that Cain is likely just the flavor of the month; but only because he will stick his foot in his mouth or be pulled apart by Romney, who even Cain admits could swing him under the Romney business-man tent.

But we have to stop writing off Cain as some GOP ploy. Cain is rising because Cain has a message that resonates and is understandable. A person like O'Reilly gets it. Whereas even Ron Paul admits that he doesn't go on O'Reilly's show to explain the message because O'Reilly "wouldn't understand it." Ron Paul is right. And it's funny to hear in the moment.

But after we all have a good laugh at O'Reilly's expense and Ron Paul's honesty...we have to sit back and realize that if we can't figure out a way to explain the message so that O'Reilly gets it, then we have a problem. It's a two-way street. O'Reilly has a problem understanding it, and we have a problem communicating it to O'Reilly.

But the burden is on us. Not on voters like O'Reilly. They don't know what they're missing right now, so they don't care. We have to reach them, show them, teach them what they don't understand so that they crave us. Because once they understand and crave that message, they'll join us...because there's no one else like us in the race (except for Johnson, and we're already seen as more viable than Johnson to the pragmatic voter).

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

I think people are missing this critical component. Being the media is completely snubbing RP it's up to *us* to be Ron's media. A date should be set for RPF members to stand on their busiest street corner w/ RP signs, all across Amurica.

How about Oct. 19th?

 

[Spanky]

How about Oct. 19th?

or the 15th, the saturday before. I can pass out flyers the 18th on campus and in stores.

 

[gls]

The success of the campaign is ultimately up to Ron Paul himself, and he isn't changing. I'm inclined to believe that if he altered the way he presented the message then we would pick up more support. Just look at what Rand has accomplished. But then I think about how much older and wiser Ron Paul is than myself, and realize that he might know what he's doing after all. Keep working hard--if it is meant to be it is meant to be.

 

[ronpaulhemp]

The success of the campaign is ultimately up to Ron Paul himself, and he isn't changing. I'm inclined to believe that if he altered the way he presented the message then we would pick up more support. Just look at what Rand has accomplished. But then I think about how much older and wiser Ron Paul is than myself, and realize that he might know what he's doing after all. Keep working hard--if it is meant to be it is meant to be.

I used to think this too. I still believe if he worked on his speaking (with some coaching etc) that he would definitely look a little more "presidential" on stage and hopefully get more votes. However, I have also come to realize that a lot of supporters LIKE Ron's unpolished, straightforward style, taking it to show his authenticity, meaning he might actually lose more than he'd gain if he were to change his style.

 

[Proph]

so that's good right? Romney is my main concern

Regardless of how much media coverage Romney gets, his search volume is almost always flat-lining. Perry gets (at least) 2-3x the amount of news volume as Paul, but Paul still ranks as high (if not higher) as Perry in searches. Bachmann is gone.

How can I say all of that? Google trends, ftw!

Cain worries me a little, though. He spiked on the 25th for some reason, but that's also the same time he got more news volume. Double the search volume, double the media coverage? I imagine that once people realize he doesn't know what he's talking about, those search volume numbers will go down.

Also...if you get bummed out about the media ignoring Paul, watch this. That was from last election season. This is 3-4 years later, after all of his predictions about the economic climate came true. As bad as the media is being to him right now, it still wasn't as bad as last time, imo. At least he hasn't gotten left out of a debate yet (although, some might argue he might as well have been with the silly questions they sometimes ask him). People are slowly coming around to him.

I could just be overly optimistic since I read that Huffpo article, though. That was a really good article, hah!

Glad to have you on board!

 

[V3n]

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[Captain Shays]

I have been thinking a lot about this lately and the conclusion I have drawn is that everyone needs to be educated into their support for Ron Paul. What got me was back in 1999 someone suggested to me an article written by Ron Paul titled "Sorry Mr Franklin We're All Democrats Now". It knocked me over and I have been a fan of his ever since. But the funny thing was, I started to read a lot of his articles becoming a bigger fan with every one of them but for about 8 months after first hearing about him, I didn't even know what he looked like. I pictured him like Mitt Romney. Tall, sort of good looking, articulate full of platitudes etc.. I was even more knocked over when I saw this little old guy, soft spoken and unassuming.
We need to get the things he has written to people. We need to get to them details about his positions in his words about how his ideas can work once implemented.
I would like to set up a clearing house of Ron Paul's articles, videos, voting record etc with EVERYTHING from historical figures, founding fathers, authors, or whatever to back up his plans and positions. I want to take all the guess work out of it for people and make it really easy for them to find the answers they seek and to find them fast. Then let them make up their own minds. But there is so much BS out there about Ron Paul that when I go into debate forums or respond to articles I am constantly educating people and correcting them about either lies or inaccuracies about Ron Paul and his positions.

This would also be a GREAT way to counter the media lies. IN fact, I really wish the main campaign would do it, but then I realize that WE ARE the campaign so we should do it for Ron Paul.

 

[Spanky]

I have been thinking a lot about this lately and the conclusion I have drawn is that everyone needs to be educated into their support for Ron Paul. What got me was back in 1999 someone suggested to me an article written by Ron Paul titled "Sorry Mr Franklin We're All Democrats Now". It knocked me over and I have been a fan of his ever since. But the funny thing was, I started to read a lot of his articles becoming a bigger fan with every one of them but for about 8 months after first hearing about him, I didn't even know what he looked like. I pictured him like Mitt Romney. Tall, sort of good looking, articulate full of platitudes etc.. I was even more knocked over when I saw this little old guy, soft spoken and unassuming.
We need to get the things he has written to people. We need to get to them details about his positions in his words about how his ideas can work once implemented.
I would like to set up a clearing house of Ron Paul's articles, videos, voting record etc with EVERYTHING from historical figures, founding fathers, authors, or whatever to back up his plans and positions. I want to take all the guess work out of it for people and make it really easy for them to find the answers they seek and to find them fast. Then let them make up their own minds. But there is so much BS out there about Ron Paul that when I go into debate forums or respond to articles I am constantly educating people and correcting them about either lies or inaccuracies about Ron Paul and his positions.

This would also be a GREAT way to counter the media lies. IN fact, I really wish the main campaign would do it, but then I realize that WE ARE the campaign so we should do it for Ron Paul.

Well we need to hurry before it's too late, he needs to win some of these early states

 

[Mike4Freedom]

Did the founding fathers say, most people dont support us so lets not even try, hah. They knew it would be a tough battle but they fought anyway. No one said this was going to be easy. It about that extra effort that really gets things done for us. Just voting and donating a little bit is not enough. Talk to everyone you know about these issues. You can find common ground with anyone. Go to a straw poll. Max out your donation, sell something to get more money if you do not have it. Make sure to put a RP2012 sign in your lawn and a bumper sticker too. This is do or die time. You can't expect people to do these things for you.

Another thought I would like to ad to this is, the alternative to not doing the above is more tryanny. You have to refuse to live like a slave to it. This is our chance to reclaim our freedom.

 

[Proph]

There's nothing negative about analyzing our flaws. If we pretend everything is hunky-dory and we're doing everything right, then we're doing more harm then good.

The question was asked, I answered. That's all there is to it. Feel free to agree or disagree, but don't pretend I'm being negative. It's a very positive & very necessary exercise to point out squeaky wheels in need of oil.

The reason you're being perceived as negative is because it is *really* tough to explain his philosophy in sound bytes. Good luck finding a space on TV that will give Ron over 10-15 minutes to discuss the basics of Austrian economics just so people can START to understand where he is coming from. Our current system is based on the Keynesian model, and our schools also teach it as well. Essentially, we have to un-brainwash people to get them to understand.

I believe I read that you had helped other political campaigns in the past on another forum. I imagine they were more of the status-quo type politicians with no integrity that we see today. Instead of answering the tough questions, most politicians side step them. Ron Paul answers them head on, and that's usually when those "kooky" soundbytes come out. Honestly, I love it when he does that. However, I can see how a lot of mainstream viewers would see him as "weird" or "unelectable" (which is bullshit, because he's been elected into office 11 times...maybe we should ask the MSM how many times one has to get elected to become electable?).

That leads me to this point. I think this is a much different campaign than you're probably accustomed to; it's much more grassroots. Don't get me wrong, your insight is very welcome. It's good to hear opinions from the outside. I think it just irritates people when you tell them something they already know. We know we need to get our message across better, but read that first paragraph again to understand why it's so hard. That doesn't mean you shouldn't bring it up, though. I'm sure there are a lot of new users or lurkers on here that are probably thinking the same thing as you.

Honestly, I think the best way we can get more on-board is by talking with people (whether it be through social media, on the phone, or face to face). This encourages more people to look him up, which in turn allows them to grasp the whole concept of his platform.

 

[wide awake]

Phone from Home

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This^

Don't get bogged down in pessimism right now. I am not big on looking at each poll, but if you look at them you can see some strong trends in our favor:
1. He is competing in Iowa and NH
2. This race is wide open
3. One front-runner is fading and the other has soft support

The environment is ripe for something different.

Do what you can, talk to friends, volunteer, canvass, donate, engage in conversation, comment on articles, whatever you feel you can do but the important thing is to stay positive and engaged. The dynamic of the GOP race will change multiple times between now and Iowa.

 

[r3volution]

we should not care about winning or for anyone to say we could . we should only care about sending the message to Washington and the establishment .
i don't know about anyone else but im here to see this to the end . and as far as i am concerned the beginning is the national convention .

 

[-C-]

I just need some confidence to keep pushing and not give up. I'm very passionate about changing this country and making it what it can be. We have so much going for us

Think about George Washington crossing the Delaware River at like 3am to fight a battle at 5am to fight an enemy which had otherwise ignored them. Two men froze to death, those were our losses in the battle. By the time they realized they were getting attacked, they surrendered. He needs money to get around the mainstream, so don't stop.

 

[Spanky]

NOT looking ahead, but if we win the nominee, I already have it planned and marked during the summer, to march from Indiana to DC, with his sign in my hand. Media can't ignore me then!

LET'S DO THIS!

 

[Proph]

we should not care about winning or for anyone to say we could . we should only care about sending the message to Washington and the establishment .
i don't know about anyone else but im here to see this to the end . and as far as i am concerned the beginning is the national convention .

That was what the last campaign was for. We're in it to win it this time (while at the same time spreading the message, of course).

It's not the end of the world if we lose, and I will still support the freedom movement afterwards. However, it is much to soon to be thinking about losing, as someone else has already stated.

 

[TheTexan]

We need to get the things he has written to people. We need to get to them details about his positions in his words about how his ideas can work once implemented.
I would like to set up a clearing house of Ron Paul's articles, videos, voting record etc with EVERYTHING from historical figures, founding fathers, authors, or whatever to back up his plans and positions. I want to take all the guess work out of it for people and make it really easy for them to find the answers they seek and to find them fast. Then let them make up their own minds. But there is so much BS out there about Ron Paul that when I go into debate forums or respond to articles I am constantly educating people and correcting them about either lies or inaccuracies about Ron Paul and his positions.

The problem is, the lies are much easier to sell. "Ron Paul voted against the civil rights act. He's a racist." Sounds reasonable, if you're ignorant & uninformed (as most people are). It only took 5 seconds to make that lie and make it stick. Correcting that lie takes considerably longer.

Trying to correct the lies is always going to be a losing battle. The only way to make sure that the truth wins out, is if the person listening has a reason to care, and investigates for him or herself.

Everything anyone ever needed to know about Ron Paul is real easy to find as it is. Google. Ron Paul. That's it. If they spend any length of time actually looking up the information themself, chances are, that's a new Ron Paul supporter.

We just need to find a way to cure other's apathy, as ours was. A lot of people just accept that the government, the economy, and the wars are shitty and have always been shitty. We know it doesn't have to be that way. But it will take a genuine effort on their part to investigate for themself, so they can come to their own conclusion, instead of being told by others what to think (including us).

We have a century's worth of facts and evidence on our side. Doesn't matter. Can't sell people on facts, because people don't listen to facts if they're not interested in what you're selling. We have to make them interested first, and to do that, we have to inspire them.

Correcting lies, and providing information is all well and good. But more important than any of that, is we have to wake them up. Give them a reason to care.