With the media ignoring us, do we have a shot? Serious question

[jasonxe]

yes but it means we have to triple our effort to make up for the ignoring and media pundits saying bad things about him.

 

[Meiun]

Brushfires of Liberty... Brushfires of Liberty.

All we need is you, and me, doing all we can every day. I know it's a different matter (and I'm not saying I agree with any of the politics of the region), but if twitter and cell phones can take down dictatorships like Egypt then there is nothing holding us back from restoring the Constitution to its rightful place here in the USA.

Don't give up hope, don't waver in support, KNOW that Dr. Paul is THE ONLY man who can do what we're asking, and only he will have the balls to stand up to the f*kers who want steal the remaining wealth, possessions, honor and dignity of "we the people". END THE FED!

 

[Article V]

Without Ron Paul presenting a concrete plan that pragmatic voters can read through and comprehend, he will be seen as a pure philosophical candidate. Something to be enjoyed, but too outside the realities of the day to take seriously.

This is also one of the reasons the media ignores him. Because what is there to comment on for them? "Ron Paul wants to get rid of nearly all government." It sounds so foreign to people that they have no idea how it would work and can only imagine it as some sort of libertarian fantasy land.

If we don't push a readable plan, something Romney, Gingrich, and Cain have all done. Then we will continue to have limited support and limited media respect.

I don't like it, but I think it's true. This is why I have been pushing the campaign to present "Ron Paul's 12 for '12" plan, which lists the 12 major points of Ron Paul's presidential platform and how they would be achieved and operate during his first term.

 

[Merk]

I just need some confidence to keep pushing and not give up. I'm very passionate about changing this country and making it what it can be. We have so much going for us

WTF else are you going to do?

There is a very real possibility we will have a full blown currency crisis before we even get to the general election.

Ron is the only candidate that even understands the economic problem let alone know how to fix it.

There is nothing else to do but fight for Ron at this point, if you truly understand where the country is at and what got us here.

We are fighting the media and 100 years of brainwashing (to the point of the lots of general public not even knowing what the Fed is let alone what it is supposed to do and what it does). Yes it can be discouraging but look around where we are and imagine where we will be in 4 years without Ron.

Knowing that, do you have any other choice than to give it your all?

 

[CaptUSA]

The minute you start talking about what you're going to do if you lose, you have lost. - George Shultz

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Without Ron Paul presenting a concrete plan...

Your negativity is really becoming tiresome.

 

[JamesButabi]

Ron wins no matter what. He won in 2007. He is winning today as the dialogue shifts. Can he win the presidency? Extremely tough, but yeah he is a top tier candidate! This was not even fathomable for a liberty candidate 5 years ago.

EOQP is doing pretty well and Ron will clock in ~ 6 million for the quarter. Can BTO get 6 in a day? Boy I think that would be incredible but we shouldnt downplay a grand success if that number isn't reached. I'd like to see 2-3 minimum.

 

[sailingaway]

It's a fight, and no mistake, but we haven't lost.

 

[D.A.S.]

the minute you start talking about what you're going to do if you lose, you have lost. - george shultz

this ^^^

 

[Bruno]

new member....hmmmm....

 

[Article V]

Your negativity is really becoming tiresome.

There's nothing negative about analyzing our flaws. If we pretend everything is hunky-dory and we're doing everything right, then we're doing more harm then good.

The question was asked, I answered. That's all there is to it. Feel free to agree or disagree, but don't pretend I'm being negative. It's a very positive & very necessary exercise to point out squeaky wheels in need of oil.

 

[Original_Intent]

I think one thing we don't understand is just how many of US there are. Pre-2007, I was in the John Birch Society and I felt almost ocmpletely alone. I felt like seriously nobody understood the dire straights we were in.

Even as small as we were in 2007, it was such a relief to realize that there were that many people who were awake to the problems and had solutions.

We are growing to critical mass. Probably the biggest hurdle we have to overcome is the "he can't win" programming. I belief that there are a LARGE number of people out there who yearn for a Ron Paul presidency, but they are afraid of looking stupid to their friends, or don't want to be deemed a crackpot, or whatever...they are afraid to believe.

I believe when we reach a critical mass, and we will, that this campaign is going to explode. If we can change the perception and people see Paul as a contender - we've won. And the power elite and the media know this and that is why they are desperate to pretend Paul doesn't exist or to take dismissive or ridiculing potshots at him, if they mention him.

As badly as we want liberty, the elite both within the GOP and without are equally desirous to maintain some semblance of the status quo. When the existing power structure falls, it is loss of their lifestyle, possibly jail or worse. and they know it. And unfortunately for us, they control much of the means of mass communication.

YouTube and social media are two powerful tools we have, but the most important tools we have is our passion and our numbers. Once someone is converted to the truth, it is pretty tough to lose them to the same old lies. We are going to win this war, regardless of the outcome of this particular battle. And things are looking very good that this is the turning point. The souring economy, as tough as it is to live thru, is this messages best friend. People are actually giving a damn, because they are suffering and they see the cause of their suffering. We jsut have to break thru the learned helplessness and show them there is reason to hope, we CAN do something.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

There's nothing negative about analyzing our flaws.

You're going beyond analyzing flaws. You're repeating a gloomy message of "if the campaign doesn't do this, all is lost". Also, look at the language you're using: "Then we will continue to have limited support". We don't have limited support. You're also painting the campaign's message as "foreign" and a "libertarian fantasy land". In addition to that, you seem to be fighting hard to push the perception that we're falling in the polls and deserve to.

That kind of crap doesn't need to be spread here.

 

[turbobrain9]

You're going beyond analyzing flaws. You're repeating a gloomy message of "if the campaign doesn't do this, all is lost". Also, look at the language you're using: "Then we will continue to have limited support". We don't have limited support. You're also painting the campaign's message as "foreign" and a "libertarian fantasy land". In addition to that, you seem to be fighting hard to push the perception that we're falling in the polls and deserve to.

That kind of crap doesn't need to be spread here.

To a certian extent he is right, the message needs to be refined and the campaign needs to do more than they are doing...OR the likely outcome is primary black-eyes...Ron needs to work harder than any other candidate because of what he is up against...it's not negative it is reality...

he needs: more money, more campaign stops, more rallies, more refined message, more debate prep, more out reach to seniors, more endorsements from local gopers etc...he has the whole gop establishment and the media against him...if the establishment was on his side, he would be a shoe in for the nominee...that's a fantasy.

The economic climiate is ripe for Paul and his message, well it is time to connect the dots for people...I don't see much of that happening by the campaign.

I don't think it is too much to ask Ron to put together a well articulated speech in layman's terms outling the economy and the solutions...WHY has that never been done??????

Cain has his 999 plan, Paul has no plan...he needs a plan to push that simplifies his message...why does everyone talk about a 999 plan? Because it is a catchy title that works to convey a platform

 

[Spanky]

I mean we have to spread the word. Get out, help people register, GET people to register, get his issues out there.

The first step is this $6 million

 

[Original_Intent]

This is also why I think the campaigm needs to put together a cottage meeting DVD - a professional hour or so for Ron to make his case clear, without all the gotcha's etc of the debates. When he is speaking on the house floor he is golden, we need to be able to show people THAT Ron Paul. And unlike the others, once people are interested and start investigating his record to see "Is this guy really as good as they make him out to be?" - we have won another heart over.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

To a certian extent he is right, the message needs to be refined and the campaign needs to do more than they are doing...OR the likely outcome is primary black-eyes...Ron needs to work harder than any other candidate because of what he is up against...it's not negative it is reality...

he needs: more money, more campaign stops, more rallies, more refined message, more debate prep, more out reach to seniors, more endorsements from local gopers etc...he has the whole gop establishment and the media against him...if the establishment was on his side, he would be a shoe in for the nominee...that's a fantasy.

The economic climiate is ripe for Paul and his message, well it is time to connect the dots for people...I don't see much of that happening by the campaign.

Look at how you put it and compare it to how he did.

 

[Spanky]

This is also why I think the campaigm needs to put together a cottage meeting DVD - a professional hour or so for Ron to make his case clear, without all the gotcha's etc of the debates. When he is speaking on the house floor he is golden, we need to be able to show people THAT Ron Paul. And unlike the others, once people are interested and start investigating his record to see "Is this guy really as good as they make him out to be?" - we have won another heart over.

someone needs to tell him this or his campaign...

 

[Article V]

You're going beyond analyzing flaws. You're repeating a gloomy message of "if the campaign doesn't do this, all is lost". Also, look at the language you're using: "Then we will continue to have limited support". We don't have limited support. You're also painting the campaign's message as "foreign" and a "libertarian fantasy land". In addition to that, you seem to be fighting hard to push the perception that we're falling in the polls and deserve to.

That kind of crap doesn't need to be spread here.

I disagree with this assessment.

I'm not pointing out that our campaign's message is "foreign" and a "libertarian fantasy land"; I'm pointing out that that's how we're viewed by the often more pragmatic conservative voter who is comfortable choosing the lesser of two evils. That's the reality of how they see us. And we have to address their concerns in ways that they understand, or we will likely not persuade them. It doesn't matter how strong our argument is if they hear it as alien. We must communicate in ways they understand.

And you can say we don't have limited support, but that would be ignoring the reality that we have never crossed the 15% thresh hold. Any candidate below that thresh hold has limited support. But it's especially telling for us, since we're unlike every other candidate save Johnson.

And I'm not saying all is lost, I'm saying we can win if we do such-and-such. If that gets lost in translation, I apologize. I suppose I suffer from some of the same communication issues with you as our campaign does with the traditional conservative. I will try harder in the future to clarify my message; and I hope in the future you'll try harder to read between the lines and see the positive intent behind my message, however shabbily it's presented.

 

[turbobrain9]

MSNBC is now bashing Bachmann hard using the FOX poll. they are claiming that GOP voters are "confused." At least they said, Paul is "holding steady" and otherwise went on to hammer Romney and Perry....the disporportionate coverage of this poll is curious, everyone is covering it now...in a few minutes MSNBC is going to talk about the tea party...the FOX poll has been covered by every station so far today...



According to my senior citizen friend here, he says, Cain is the token black guy in the race, last time it was Keyes...we don't have to worry about him, he has no chance...they are just pumping him up to create a favorable impression of the GOP..that's all.