Wisconsin Gov. Warns 12,000 State Workers Could be Fired Without Budget Deal

[FrankRep]

12K State Workers Could Be Fired Without Budget Deal, Wisconsin Governor Warns

Fox News, All Voices
February 20, 2011

If changes aren't made to the benefit contributions paid by Wisconsin's nearly 300,000 public sector employees, about 10,000-12,000 workers will lose their jobs, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker warned Sunday.​

Fleeing Wisconsin Democrats could hide for days, weeks

On Thursday, Wisconsin Senate Democrats tucked tail and ran like a pack of scalded dogs from the state Capitol, refusing to do the job they were elected to do.

Friday morning, TMJ reported that Governor Scott Walker sent state troopers out in an attempt to round up at least one Democrat so the Senate can vote on the Governor's budget repair bill.
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Wisconsin governor: 'We're going to take this as long as it takes'

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) is not planning to make concessions to end the budget standoff any time soon, he indicated on "Fox News Sunday."

"We're going to take this as long as it takes," he said. "In the end we're doing the right thing for Wisconsin."​

Flashback:

Sept. 12, 2010: Next Wisconsin governor faces big deficit



Meanwhile:

National Guard May Deploy as Socialists, Unions Wreak Havoc in Wisconsin
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...as-Socialists-Unions-Wreak-Havoc-in-Wisconsin

Wisconsin Socialists Want Egypt-style Revolution
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Socialists-Want-Egypt-style-Revolution-Video

Communist Protester in Wisconsin: 'People Are Open' to a 'Revolutionary Movement'
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-People-Are-Open-to-a-Revolutionary-Movement

 

[pcosmar]

Fire them already. screw the empty threats.
Hire back any necessary at a market wage and don't hire back those that aren't absolutely needed.

 

[Maximus]

This is getting good

 

[Hallamaat]

Holy crap.

 

[coastie]

Fire them already. screw the empty threats.
Hire back any necessary at a market wage and don't hire back those that aren't absolutely needed.

No shit, this isn't that complicated. People are slowly waking up, I've awoken several on this issue by simply pointing out that there is no money, these people(leeches) are in the minority, are in direct violation of their contracts, and just don't want to change. They could give two shits about the students or the taxpayers that pay their salaries and benefits that far outpace what said taxpayers are making. Good teachers teach because it's their passion-not for the lavish pensions and health benefits.

Hell, the MSM is even covering the blatant involvement with Obama's little political factions, fraud with fake/real Dr. notes....

 

[Philhelm]

Word on the street is that there are plenty of unemployed folks that would gladly take their jobs for less.

 

[FrankRep]

Reagan Flashback:

Ronald Reagan's ultimatum to striking air traffic controllers
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan's_ultimatum_to_striking_air_traffic_controllers

 

[RonPaulCult]

Word on the street is that there are plenty of unemployed folks that would gladly take their jobs for less.

Thank you. Exactly

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I'm with Maximus: This is getting good! I'm starting to think this Scott Walker guy is the real deal. Well, time will tell. I hope he will stand his ground. I'd love to see, finally, someone in a position where standing their ground will make a difference, actually stand that ground. Wisconsin has line-item veto. The governor has tons of power; too much, in my opinion, but in this case it could work out in the favor of the good. This guy Walker could shut the entire gov't down! Do it, Walker! Fire 'em all! I want to see every teacher in the state out on the street with a pan, begging change.

 

[bwlibertyman]

bump

 

[ItsTime]

Fire them all.

 

[FrankRep]

The Wisconsin Bill: What Does It Do?

Power Line
February 20, 2011

Here's what Governor Walker's Budget Repair Bill that they're so angry about actually does:

- Ask government workers to pay half the cost of their pensions - still less than private employees pay for their pensions

- Ask government workers to pay 12% of their own health insurance premiums - the national average for the private sector is over 20%

- End collective bargaining for government unions for pensions and benefits. Allow bargaining only for raises that are less than inflation.

- End forced union dues, collected by the state. Union dues would become voluntary.

- Union members get to vote yearly on whether to keep their union.​

Are those significant reforms? Absolutely. Hence the desperation on the Left to frustrate them. But in talking about what is at stake, it is helpful to be concrete about what the legislation would actually do.
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[S.Shorland]

Well it looks like a very fair bill to me.I was just watching a liberal magazine editor being interviewed on aljazeera english,on livestation (many free stations,mostly news but worth a look if you want a different perspective from american outlets perhaps).He was saying it was the end of the world.Saying that labor was waking up and they weren't going to take it.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Saying that labor was waking up and they weren't going to take it.

Good! Don't take it! Bring on the fight. The People vs. the Parasites, long-overdue grudge match at last! To the death! Pound these suckers DOWN!

OK, got a little excited there.

 

[FrankRep]

Factbox: Details of Wisconsin proposal on Public Unions


Reuters
Feb 20, 2011


Wisconsin's capital Madison was besieged by protesters this week as tens of thousands of state workers demonstrated against a Republican spending bill. Here is what Republican Gov. Scott Walker has proposed:

* State workers must increase contributions to their pensions to 5.8 percent of salary, and double contributions to their health insurance premiums to 12.6 percent. This would result in a cut in take-home pay of about 8 percent.

* Walker wants to limit collective bargaining to the issue of wages, and cap wage increases to the rate of inflation, with a voter referendum needed for larger increases.

* Walker's proposal would also prohibit employer collection of union dues and members of collective bargaining units would not be required to pay dues. Contracts would be limited to one year, and collective bargaining units would have to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union.

* Walker said collective bargaining takes too long and the cuts need to be made immediately. He said the alternative is layoffs of more than 10,000 workers.

* Certain employees, including local law enforcement and fire employees, would be exempt from the collective bargaining changes.​

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I stand with the unions on this one.
It is not right for the government to pass a law limiting your rights to collective bargaining.

If the government doesn't like the contract, then they can fire them all.
If they don't want to lose all their employees, then they must agree to the demands of the employees contract.
This is the entire reason behind having a union!

Do I think all these socialist should be fired and replaced? Well of course I do. SO FIRE THEM ALL.

P.S. It is not like you can hire some unemployed smuck to be a teacher, there are requirements to be a teacher.

 

[Melissa]

I stand with the unions on this one.
It is not right for the government to pass a law limiting your rights to collective bargaining.

If the government doesn't like the contract, then they can fire them all.
If they don't want to lose all their employees, then agree must agree to the demands of the employees contract.
This is the entire reason behind having a union!

Do I think all these socialist should be fired and replaced? Well of course I do. SO FIRE THEM ALL.

P.S. It is not like you can hire some unemployed smuck to be a teacher, there are requirements to be a teacher.

I am still looking at all the info to form a opinion but was curious about your post in the sense when you said the government should not pass a law to not allow people to be able to collective bargin...my question to you does it make a difference that the group in question is not a private group of workers but state paid workers so would it not make sense that the state can make laws about how it is run

 

[silverhandorder]

Government is not taking away their right to collectively bargain, they are simply refusing to negotiate with them collectively.

 

[low preference guy]

Government is not taking away their right to collectively bargain, they are simply refusing to negotiate with them collectively.

The two actions have the same effect, but the bill actually says that they take away the right to collectively bargain.

 

[FrankRep]

The two actions have the same effect, but bill actually says that they take away the right to collectively bargain.

Collective Bargaining shouldn't be a "Right" in the first place.