Will a Jeff Flake Victory help the Liberty Movement?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Did Jeff Snowflake state, he was only going to serve 2 terms as a Congressman and go back to the private sector? Yes, now in his 5th term in the House.

The WAR on the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the reciprocal of trillions stolen from the taxpayers with induced Inflation taxes on society. Jeff Flake's votes 'AYE' for NDAA, which could of cleared himself but didn't, by voting 'AYE' on the Amash amendment. His Patriot Act rubber-stamping approvals seal the deal, this guy is hooked on himself/power, no matter how likeable he may sound. Any word on the backing by GOP party establishment insiders at the state and DC level on Flake?

FYI, The trickery of politicians always appears to give the spotlight to low or non monetary populist issues, instead of the ones that steal the wealth/freedoms. Earmarks at least show who stole the money and where it went(then you have a reason to vote them out), as oppose to the money going back into a meat grinder and disappearing to lobbyists/campaign donors. Secrecy only benefits you know who...

 

[Brett85]

I was doing some research on Flake, and came across this. This certainly doesn't sound good at all.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/13/68130/republican-lawmakers-back-carbon.html

 

[Lucille]

+rep to all of it, Hollywood.

 

[juleswin]

I was doing some research on Flake, and came across this. This certainly doesn't sound good at all.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/13/68130/republican-lawmakers-back-carbon.html

If I remember correctly, he wants any profit made from the carbon tax be used as rebate for payroll taxes for low income Americans. Not saying that I like it but its a unique position with regards to cap and trade.

Btw isn't he such a pragmatic fellow? always willing to reach across the isle to make deals. Ron Paul would have gone places if he was a little more like Jeff Flake

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

If I remember correctly, he wants any profit made from the carbon tax be used as rebate for payroll taxes for low income Americans. Not saying that I like it but its a unique position with regards to cap and trade.

Btw isn't he such a pragmatic fellow? always willing to reach across the isle to make deals. Ron Paul would have gone places if he was a little more like Jeff Flake

Oh, you mean like Ron co-authoring bills with Alan Grayson to end the wars and eliminate the income tax for the first 30k of income, or with Barney Frank to end federal prohibition of marijuana, or with Kucinich on amendments concerning war spending...

Being pragmatic means nothing when you're selling out your principles. Actually, it's worse, it's endorsing statism of the bipartisan flavor.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Oh, you mean like Ron co-authoring bills with Alan Grayson to end the wars and eliminate the income tax for the first 30k of income, or with Barney Frank to end federal prohibition of marijuana, or with Kucinich on amendments concerning war spending...

Being pragmatic means nothing when you're selling out your principles. Actually, it's worse, it's endorsing statism of the bipartisan flavor.

I think Jules was being sarcastic.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I think Jules was being sarcastic.

lol, my sarcasm meter broke today. The Portrait of a Drone Killer article has had me in rage mode all day.

 

[sailingaway]

Oooook. Well, the rest of us are busy trying to reform the GOP. So assuming you're registered as a Republican or Independent, if you could vote for Flake on primary election day, that would be great.

Because once the general election is over, it would be better having Senator Jeff Flake than Senator Wil Cardon.

the 'rest of you' who are fine with NDAA?

 

[sailingaway]

If I remember correctly, he wants any profit made from the carbon tax be used as rebate for payroll taxes for low income Americans. Not saying that I like it but its a unique position with regards to cap and trade.

Btw isn't he such a pragmatic fellow? always willing to reach across the isle to make deals. Ron Paul would have gone places if he was a little more like Jeff Flake

And we would not have been here.

 

[AJ Antimony]

That's fine, tbone. But, don't be surprised if we won't quietly allow our message to be co-opted. RP's supporters coined the term, liberty movement, and sorry, but supporters of indefinite detention for American citizens are not a part of it.

Co-opt? This is Ron Paul Forums, nobody is co-opting anybody here!

By the way, your post is approaching hypocrisy: "Group A can't advertise Jeff Flake to Group B, but Group B can advertise Kurt Bills all it wants to Group A..."

 

[AJ Antimony]

Why aren't people criticizing Jon Kyle around here? That would make more sense.

Great question. You'd think people here would be dancing in the streets hearing that Jon Kyl is getting replaced by Jeff Flake! I'd certainly be dancing if Jason Chaffetz was set to replace Orrin Hatch, or if Walter Jones was set to replace Richard Burr.

 

[AJ Antimony]

the 'rest of you' who are fine with NDAA?

Very fair logic. 'You like Flake, therefore you like every single vote he's ever taken such as NDAA'

 

[AJ Antimony]

I think what is getting lost in this thread is the difference between "supporting" a candidate and "donating to" a candidate. I suspect most people in this thread, if they lived in Arizona, would show up on election day and vote for Jeff Flake over Wil Cardon. Hell, maybe most people here would vote for him in the general election.

But some people are saying they would never donate to Flake, which is understandable. Financially supporting a candidate is one thing, and individuals should definitely donate to whoever they want. But what I was trying to argue in this thread was that it would help the liberty movement to at least non-financially support Flake. I can definitely understand not giving hard earned money to Jeff Flake, but to characterize him as an enemy of the freedom movement is just silly.

I admit I didn't communicate these thoughts clearly, if at all.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Co-opt? This is Ron Paul Forums, nobody is co-opting anybody here!

By the way, your post is approaching hypocrisy. Group A can't advertise Jeff Flake to Group B, but Group B can advertise Kurt Bills all it wants to Group A...

Please apply logic and reword your post accordingly, so that it makes some semblance of sense. Thanks.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think what is getting lost in this thread is the difference between "supporting" a candidate and "donating to" a candidate. I suspect most people in this thread, if they lived in Arizona, would show up on election day and vote for Jeff Flake over Wil Cardon. Hell, maybe most people here would vote for him in the general election.

But some people are saying they would never donate to Flake, which is understandable. Financially supporting a candidate is one thing, and individuals should definitely donate to whoever they want. But what I was trying to argue in this thread was that it would help the liberty movement to at least non-financially support Flake. I can definitely understand not giving hard earned money to Jeff Flake, but to characterize him as an enemy of the freedom movement is just silly.

I admit I didn't communicate these thoughts clearly, if at all.

He voted for the Patriot Act and the NDAA, he certainly ain't a champion of liberty.

I'm sure we can work with him on select issues that we agree on, but to characterize him as some champion.... uh, no.

 

[AJ Antimony]

Please apply logic and reword your post accordingly, so that it makes some semblance of sense. Thanks.

Check now. I can see how it was confusing.

 

[AJ Antimony]

He voted for the Patriot Act and the NDAA, he certainly ain't a champion of liberty.

I'm sure we can work with him on select issues that we agree on, but to characterize him as some champion.... uh, no.

You'd be happy to know that nobody in this thread, or probably ever on these forums, has ever called Flake a "champion of liberty." This isn't Jeff Flake Forums, this is Ron Paul Forums, every registered user knows who the actual champion is.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You'd be happy to know that nobody in this thread, or probably ever on these forums, has ever called Flake a "champion of liberty." This isn't Jeff Flake Forums, this is Ron Paul Forums, every registered user knows who the actual champion is.

Who is "Group A", AJ?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You'd be happy to know that nobody in this thread, or probably ever on these forums, has ever called Flake a "champion of liberty." This isn't Jeff Flake Forums, this is Ron Paul Forums, every registered user knows who the actual champion is.

No, but tbone inferred that Flake was a part of the liberty movement.

The point being there is a lot of liberty-minded political activism going on that doesn't center here at RPF or DP. The folks here are just one small segment of a much larger movement, so people should not be surprised when there are candidates like Flake that get support from groups that will also support Cruz, Massie, etc.

 

[AuH20]

Jeff Flake got 10 pages in here?? His record is kind of weak. If he gets in he still won't be better than the four horsemen (Rand, Lee, DeMint and -presumptive- Cruz).