"Wikileaks are terrorists - we need to take them out!"

[Sentient Void]

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

Ron Paul does it best.

 

[ChickenHawk]

That fact is that this guy leaked state secrets that may hurt the security of the US. That could be considered an act of war or sabotage. The only reason I'm not outraged about it is because the US government is so outrageous. The federal government, IMO, has an obligation to take this guy out. However, I hope they don't because under the circumstances I think he's doing the right thing.

 

[Sentient Void]

---- to Eric Bolling...
Sometimes, Bolling - I love your show, I love your advocation of capitalism and free trade, fighting the protectionists, the liberals, and the statists and love your advocation and support of Gold... in so many ways - you are a true supporter of limited government...

Then you switch gears and go all schizophrenic and support massive state intervention and advocation of the wars, an imperial, destructive and unsustainable foreign policy, trying to find some way to rationalize (or supporting those rationalizing) WikiLeaks and Julian Assange of being like a terrorist organization (which is utterly ridiculous), and trying to rationalize your support of keeping government corruption, lies, and war crimes hidden from the public and unaccountable.

Any american or civilian blood that comes from this is on the US government's hands due to their coercive involvement overseas, not because WikiLeaks exposed their lies, corruption and war crimes.
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Eric Bolling: they hate America... working behind the scenes to undermine us.. hide behind the Constitution to take us down// I sleep with one eye open for a reason
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----: They don't hate America - that detracts from the whole point. They hate the US Govt's (and 'America' is not the US Govt - those should be understood as two different entities) foreign policy - and for good reason. Our Govt's foreign policy is not only destructive to us domestically - to our economy, to our civil liberties, to our reputation as a people and a nation, but also very destructive overseas.

If anything ends up 'taking us down' it'll be due to the consequences of our own government's actions. If others (ie, WikiLeaks) expose to us and the world the destructive nature of our policies - we should be thankful to them, and change our government because of it, not lash out at them.

WikiLeaks is doing the world and us a service. We are and have been doing ourselves a massive disservice.
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Eric Bolling: Pretty sure the planes that slammed into WTC killed 3,000 Americans not Govt.
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-----: I don't see what this has to do with anything... this is a complete red herring and is intellectually dishonest. I expected better from you in this discussion, Eric.

WikiLeaks did not smash 2 planes into the WTC. A small group of criminal scumbags did, who are a part of a small radical group - of which there are plenty around the world (who aren't all muslim, btw).

9/11 was a disgusting unintended consequence (what the CIA calls 'blowback') of our ridiculous and destructive foreign policy.

You want to label WikiLeaks as terrorist because the information they disseminate to the free press may lead to crimes. Well, logically speaking, being a black teen leads to a higher probability of committing crime - should we pre-emptively put all blacks into jail for a period of time to prevent crime? Driving a car leads to accidents happening - should we ban cars? What other tyrannical slippery slopes can we think up if we follow such fallacious logic?

Ultimately, if you ask me - for a lonnnng time now, in order to be 'for America' we must be against our destructive national government. The national government (I refuse to call it a 'federal government' nowadays, since there's nothing 'federal' about it) has been destructive to our economy and civil liberties for many decades now.
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Joette Harkins: Oy. Another one.
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Tim Hillman: well said steve...some of these ppl can't grab the concept that the global bankers..Rothchilds, Rockefellers, J P Morgan families have control of the governments of the world. They have created a global empire and forced our president throughout the decades and congress to do their bidding. pushing us into a new world order. 9/11 was done by the govt. the so called hijackers were Saudi's not Iraqi's ...they forced pres. wilson to create the federal reserve and military industrial complex which enslaves us americans. the fed prints money then gives it to the global offshore banks..
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-----: Meh. That's all pretty speculative, Tim... I don't adhere to anything there's not much real evidence for... and I don't see what any of that has to do with the discussion at hand...

In the end... it was said best by a *true conservative*... and it's *quite relative* in the context of the WikiLeaks and Julian Assange situation and everyone's call for treason and executions and labeling them a terrorist organization...

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies."

+50 pts. to whoever knows who said it!
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Tim Hillman: lol @ no evidence

Grrr... see, this is what I'm talking about - I had a good solid, logical discussion going... then some conspiracy theorist dude had to come in and fuck it all up, and discredit me merely by agreeing with me and completely derailing the discussion... guilt by association FTL...

Trust me, I feel there are a lot of unanswered questions abotu 911... but I feel it's prudent to avoid any speculative conspiracy theorizing while trying to engage conservatives, liberals, centrists, etc in a logical discussion, especially in front of an audience.

Please spare the speculative conspiracy theories... even if there is some evidence for some of them... it just turns people off automatically and shuts them down.

 

[Matt Collins]

That fact is that this guy leaked state secrets that may hurt the security of the US. That could be considered an act of war or sabotage. The only reason I'm not outraged about it is because the US government is so outrageous. The federal government, IMO, has an obligation to take this guy out. However, I hope they don't because under the circumstances I think he's doing the right thing.

According to the Judge, only the guy who leaked them to the media is culpable. The media publishing them once in their possession is not.

 

[ChickenHawk]

According to the Judge, only the guy who leaked them to the media is culpable. The media publishing them once in their possession is not.

That makes sense. They would have to prove that Wikileaks was working with the leaker to obtain information. I suppose that is possible if not likely.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

That fact is that this guy leaked state secrets that may hurt the security of the US. That could be considered an act of war or sabotage. The only reason I'm not outraged about it is because the US government is so outrageous. The federal government, IMO, has an obligation to take this guy out. However, I hope they don't because under the circumstances I think he's doing the right thing.

What "state secrets"? None of the wikileaks have been especially revelatory (to my knowledge)-they simply provide some hard evidence that the war hawks don't want to face. The documents I've looked at even had some redactions to protect the innocent.

 

[ChickenHawk]

What "state secrets"? None of the wikileaks have been especially revelatory (to my knowledge)-they simply provide some hard evidence that the war hawks don't want to face. The documents I've looked at even had some redactions to protect the innocent.

I don't know, every article about this I've read indicated that there was all sorts of classified info. I guess it wouldn't be the first time the media exaggerate something.

 

[RM918]

'State Secrets' my ass. The government calls anything that will embarrass them a 'State Secret'. All this shit about, 'Oh no, it could potentially maybe harm somebody!' when it's the government's fault they're in that situation in the first place is total manipulation on their part and it's disappointing to see so many people falling it.

It's hilarious that the government, who'll see children slaughtered without batting an eye for the 'greater good', is all of a sudden wringing their hands about a soldier potentially being harmed. Because, as usual, soldiers are little more than pawns for them, fit to be either thrown into the fire or praised when it suits them.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Obama = ASSHAT

YouTube - Barack Obama on Government Transparency

 

[tremendoustie]

Wow, "terrorist" just means anyone the regime doesn't like at this point, doesn't it.

Kind of like how "freedom" means enforcing a hegemony on most of the world.

They just love to redefine words.

 

[Lucille]

Some neoclown Statists at hotair called me nuts and told me to DIAF for defending wikileaks. They sure do love their authoritarian government, and death! They can't get enough death.

 

[RM918]

Some neoclown Statists at hotair called me nuts and told me to DIAF for defending wikileaks. They sure do love their authoritarian government, and death! They can't get enough death.

Typical. They just love Sarah Palin over there, so that's not terribly surprising.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

'State Secrets' my ass. The government calls anything that will embarrass them a 'State Secret'. All this shit about, 'Oh no, it could potentially maybe harm somebody!' when it's the government's fault they're in that situation in the first place is total manipulation on their part and it's disappointing to see so many people falling it.

It's hilarious that the government, who'll see children slaughtered without batting an eye for the 'greater good', is all of a sudden wringing their hands about a soldier potentially being harmed. Because, as usual, soldiers are little more than pawns for them, fit to be either thrown into the fire or praised when it suits them.

Yeah, ain't dat the truth.

Anyway, the REAL state secrets are at the LIMDIS/EXDIS "TOP SECRET EYES ONLY" NOFORN documents.

If people here were to access that level... you would really be up-hauled at paranoia and true motives of this centralized government. When I read this stuff I was like, Wow, their train of thought is beyond consciousness." Every bit as Communist/Fascist, just very well polished and tailored to fool the masses.

 

[reduen]

I posted this below in another place and it seemed to help some...

"It is the actions that are exposed themselves and the people that do them that put people at risk if anything. Let me try to be very simple here for those who are in need.

If you are speeding down the road, (going over the established speed... law…) you are in fact breaking the law and potentially putting someone else in danger. Some of us seem to think that it is only breaking the law if you get caught and are fined for it…

Likewise, if these people would not have been doing the things that they were doing, there would be no repercussions over their actions being exposed. It really is a simple concept if you think about it. Blame those who deserve the blame if people are in danger because of this…."

 

[RM918]

The comments around on this issue are even worse than usual. I made TWO posts on some Breitbart things standing up for WikiLeaks and my ID score went from 55 to -41. I'm as proud as I am disappointed, since everyone else there was screaming for blood little better than the terrorists they hate so much.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

For those that have asked... I included a link to security classifications and descriptives, so you understand what the acronyms and hierarchical levels. If there's something in the pdf you don't understand, just GOOGLE it, you'll get your answer

The highest I have reviewed from Wikileaks is: SECRET/NOFORN

www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/dod/af053006.pdf