Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed

[helmuth_hubener]

This from the guy who abandoned one thread on tax cuts to create a new thread on tax cuts because the original was too complicated and he wanted to simplify.

Sigh.

Yes, perish the thought that we should ever simplify. We should strive to always keep our ideas as esoteric and convoluted and non-actionable as possible. Also muddledly moderate, desertly dry, and utterly uninspiring. This is the kind of stuff young men will really go to the ramparts for.

Mr. The Count: I posted in your thread, and indeed have a loose post hanging unanswered at the moment. Feel free to reply to it any time. No need to feel jilted.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm just gonna put this here.
http://www.itwire.com/outsourcing/7...ngineers-can-write-compilable-code-study.html

Only 36% of software engineers in India can write compilable code based on measurements by an automated tool that is used across the world, the Indian skills assessment company Aspiring Minds says in a report.

The report is based on a sample of 36,800 from more than 500 colleges across India.

Aspiring Minds said it used the automated tool Automata which is a 60-minute test taken in a compiler integrated environment and rates candidates on programming ability, programming practices, run-time complexity and test case coverage.

It uses advanced artificial intelligence technology to automatically grade programming skills.

"We find that out of the two problems given per candidate, only 14% engineers are able to write compilable codes for both and only 22% write compilable code for exactly one problem," the study said.

It further found that of the test subjects only 14.67% were employable by an IT services company.

When it came to writing fully functional code using the best practices for efficiency and writing, only 2.21% of the engineers studied made the grade.
more at link...

TBH, I'm a bit surprised they scored so well.

 

[Krugminator2]

Closed borders is Socialism. The only libertarian position on national borders is that they must be open.

Bernie Sanders, the avowed Socialist Progressive agrees with closed borders. He has repeatedly said that America needs to "secure the borders" and that the government needs to "protect American jobs."

Communist Ron Paul, "What is your view on legal immigration?I think it depends on our economy. If we have a healthy economy, I think we could be very generous on work programs. People come in, fulfill their role and go back home." "Is the economy healthy enough right now?
No. I don`t think so. I think the economy is going downhill."


"You have a long record of being a serious libertarian. You musthave libertarians who are annoyed with you on this.
I imagine there are some, because there are some who are literally don`t believe in any borders! Totally free immigration! I`ve never taken that position."
"Why not?

Because I believe in national sovereignty."

http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-paul-i-believe-in-national-sovereignty

 

[Danke]

Communist Ron Paul, "What is your view on legal immigration?I think it depends on our economy. If we have a healthy economy, I think we could be very generous on work programs. People come in, fulfill their role and go back home." "Is the economy healthy enough right now?
No. I don`t think so. I think the economy is going downhill."


"You have a long record of being a serious libertarian. You musthave libertarians who are annoyed with you on this.
I imagine there are some, because there are some who are literally don`t believe in any borders! Totally free immigration! I`ve never taken that position."
"Why not?

Because I believe in national sovereignty."

http://www.vdare.com/articles/ron-paul-i-believe-in-national-sovereignty

Who knew RP is a socialist!

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you remove the H1-B Visa, you collapse the economy. Period.

As was mentioned some place in the thread earlier, there are no Americans who can do these jobs. The American education system is a failure. And they better fix it soon because all of the brains are going back to their countries. We're seing Silicon Valleys popping up all over the world now. China, India, elsewhere...

These foreign people here on the H1-B do not just control jobs. They control entire industries. Without the H1-B there would be no Silicon Valley in America.

 

[specsaregood]

If you remove the H1-B Visa, you collapse the economy. Period.

As was mentioned some place in the thread earlier, there are no Americans who can do these jobs. The American education system is a failure. And they better fix it soon because all of the brains are going back to their countries. We're seing Silicon Valleys popping up all over the world now. China, India, elsewhere...

These foreign people here on the H1-B do not just control jobs. They control entire industries. Without the H1-B there would be no Silicon Valley in America.

True enough, kick em all out and the IT industry would become so much more productive that everybody would be replaced by robots.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

These foreign people here on the H1-B do not just control jobs. They control entire industries. Without the H1-B there would be no Silicon Valley in America.

Can we safely assume you are not talking about the 50 or so years that Silicon Valley had been innovating and growing before the massive importation of H1-B workers?

And the claim that everything would stop if there were no H1-Bs is like saying there would be no education if the Department of Education was abolished.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

True enough, kick em all out and the IT industry would become so much more productive that everybody would be replaced by robots.

The cost savings would be a boon to the economy.

As Ron Paul would say "replace them with... nothing".

 

[specsaregood]

Can we safely assume you are not talking about the 50 or so years that Silicon Valley had been innovating and growing before the massive importation of H1-B workers?

And the claim that everything would stop if there were no H1-Bs is like saying there would be no education if the Department of Education was abolished.

And I thought he was joking... now I'm confused.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Can we safely assume you are not talking about the 50 or so years that Silicon Valley had been innovating and growing before the massive importation of H1-B workers?

And the claim that everything would stop if there were no H1-Bs is like saying there would be no education if the Department of Education was abolished.

Well. Try it and see what happens.

I'm right. And you know I'm right.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And I thought he was joking... now I'm confused.

Sarcasm meter failure? I have been doing a lot of rewiring lately.

Well. Try it and see what happens.

Agree. There's only one way to know for sure. We must try it.

 

[timosman]

If you remove the H1-B Visa, you collapse the economy. Period.

As was mentioned some place in the thread earlier, there are no Americans who can do these jobs. The American education system is a failure. And they better fix it soon because all of the brains are going back to their countries. We're seing Silicon Valleys popping up all over the world now. China, India, elsewhere...

These foreign people here on the H1-B do not just control jobs. They control entire industries. Without the H1-B there would be no Silicon Valley in America.

What exactly have we gotten from the Silicon Valley innovations in the last 10 years? Just like the rest of the economy it has become a money laundering operation. Name one profitable startup.

 

[Natural Citizen]

What exactly have we gotten from the Silicon Valley innovations in the last 10 years?

Like I said. The geniuses are going back home. They're coming here, they're getting an education, and they're going home. And I'll repeat that we're starting to see Silicon Valleys in China, India and elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure we can figure out how this story ends. American kids aren't learning to produce anything. They're learning only to be good little consumers of foreign goods made buy some kid who got the education here instead of our kids getting it. They're learning to be dependent on the products of other countries. It's why I've always supported STEM programs in public schools.

And before anyone gives me the business about government run schools, I agree with you. But I don't see anybody doing anything about it. All I see is a bunch of talk and posturing. So if were gonna have it, then at least educate them in a relevant way instead of the usual bow and obey books and lessons.

I've sat on a couple STEM boards in public school. So I have at least some background on the matter.

 

[Danke]

What exactly have we gotten from the Silicon Valley innovations in the last 10 years? Just like the rest of the economy it has become a money laundering operation. Name one profitable startup.

I don't know the name of his company, but I was recently visited by a Cambodian immigrant my church sponsored over 30 years ago, I bought him boots after I saw him waiting for the school bus in cold Minnesota temperatures with just flimsy tennis shoes on. His company was bought out by Cisco. He is a rich man now, tendering his garden. I think he wrote a big check to the church during his visit.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Just like the rest of the economy it has become a money laundering operation.

I forgot to answer this.

This is what we call mercantilism. We used to kind of have capitalism and a truly free market. But what we have now is mercantilism. Mix that in with fascism (the merge of corporation and state) and it's over. Heck, I've heard some people try to pawn this off as 'libertarian' even.

 

[timosman]

I don't know the name of his company, but I was recently visited by a Cambodian immigrant my church sponsored over 30 years ago, I bought him boots after I saw him waiting for the school bus in cold Minnesota temperatures with just flimsy tennis shoes on. His company was bought out by Cisco. He is a rich man now, tendering his garden. I think he wrote a big check to the church during his visit.

Was his company profitable or he simply found a sucker with a fat wallet?

 

[Danke]

Was his company profitable or he simply found a sucker with a fat wallet?

His company created a router that was faster than what anyone else had. I think like twice as fast.

 

[timosman]

His company created a router that was faster than what anyone else had. I think like twice as fast.

I think you are missing a part of the story.

 

[Danke]

I think you are missing a part of the story.

Like what?

 

[timosman]

Like what?

How am I supposed to know? Twice as fast is not significant plus a better technology does not always win. It is all about having the right connections. Maybe he got lucky during an elevator ride and pitched it to somebody.