Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed

[Brian4Liberty]

Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed
By Ilana Mercer - April 24, 2017

Billionaire businessman Marc Cuban insists that the H-1B visa racket is a feature of the vaunted American free market. This is nonsense on stilts. It can’t go unchallenged. Another billionaire, our president, has ordered that the H-1B program be reformed. This, too, is disappointing. You’ll see why.

First, let’s correct Mr. Cuban: America has not a free economy, but a mixed-economy. State and markets are intertwined. Trade, including trade in labor, is not free; it’s regulated to the hilt. If anything, the labyrinth of work visas is an example of a government-business cartel in operation.

The H-1B permit, in particular, is part of that state-sponsored visa system. The primary H-1B hogs—Infosys (and another eight, sister Indian firms), Microsoft, and Intel—import labor with what are grants of government privilege. Duly, the corporations that hog H-1Bs act like incorrigibly corrupt rent seekers. Not only do they get to replace the American worker, but they get to do so at his expense.

Here’s how:

Globally, a series of sordid liaisons ensures that American workers are left high and dry. Through the programs of the International Trade Administration, the Export-Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the International Monetary Fund, and other oink-operations, the taxpaying American worker is forced to subsidize and underwrite the investment risks of the very corporations that have given him the boot.

Domestically, the partnership with the State amounts to a subsidy to business at the expense of the taxpayer. See, corporations in our democratic welfare state externalize their employment costs onto the taxpayers.

So while public property is property funded by taxpayers through expropriated taxes; belongs to taxpayers; is to be managed for their benefit—at least one million additional immigrants a year, including recipients of the H-1B visa, are allowed the free use of taxpayer-supported infrastructure and amenities. Every new arrival avails himself of public works such as roads, hospitals, parks, libraries, schools, and welfare.

Does this epitomize the classical liberal idea of laissez-faire?

Moreover, chain migration or family unification means every H-1B visa recruit is a ticket for an entire tribe. The initial entrant—the meal ticket—will pay his way. The honor system not being an especially strong value in the Third World, the rest of the clan will be America’s problem. More often than not, chain-migration entrants become wards of the American taxpayer.

Spreading like gravy over a tablecloth, this rapid, inorganic population growth is detrimental to all ecosystems: natural, social and political.
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Never as dumb as the local reporters, the likes of Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Mark Zuckerberg, and Marc Cuban are certainly as detached.

Barricaded in their obscenely lavish compounds—from the comfort of their monster mansions—these social engineers don’t experience the “environmental impacts of rapid urban expansion”; the destruction of verdant open spaces and farmland; the decrease in the quality of the water we drink and air we breathe; the increase in traffic and traffic accidents; air pollution; the cellblock-like housing erected to accommodate their imported IT workers and extended families; the delicate bouquet of amped-up waste management and associated seepages.

For locals, this lamentable state means an inability to afford homes in a market in which property prices have been artificially inflated. Young couples lineup to view tiny apartments. They dream of that picket fence no more. (And our “stupid leaders,” to quote the president before he joined leadership, wonder why birthrates are so low!)
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Alas, since the high-tech titans can externalize their employment costs on to the community; because corporations are subsidized at every turn by their victims—they need not bring in the best.
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Theoretically, the H-1B program could be completely abolished and all needed Einsteins imported through the O-1 program. (Why, even future first ladies would stand a chance under the business category of the O-1A visa, as a wealth-generating supermodel could certainly qualify.)

Now you understand my disappointment. In his April 18 Executive Order, President Trump promised to merely reform a program that needs abolishing. That is if “Hire American” means anything to anybody anymore.
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More: https://ricochet.com/424854/why-the-h-1b-visa-racket-should-be-abolished-not-reformed/

 

[Madison320]

"The H-1B permit, in particular, is part of that state-sponsored visa system. The primary H-1B hogs—Infosys (and another eight, sister Indian firms), Microsoft, and Intel—import labor with what are grants of government privilege.

I agree. The H1B program should be available to any business that wants hire a qualified foreigner, not just certain ones who are granted government favors.

 

[dannno]

I agree. The H1B program should be available to any business that wants hire a qualified foreigner, not just certain ones who are granted government favors.

That's a horrible idea, if you read the rest of the article you would know that. I've been saying for while now that the H1-B program is part of a huge subsidy program and I had people arguing against me. I'm glad this article was posted to back me up.

Until the subsidies and welfare state ends, there is no benefit to opening up immigration.

People used to come here for the opportunity to succeed on their own and for the American culture. Now they are coming for the benefits and the money and the subsidies.

If you pay a woman $500 to go on a date with you and then complain when she doesn't love you, isn't that your fault? We are paying these people to come here then expecting that they are going to love our country.. they don't love our country, they love the free shit. Not only that, they are fucking socialists at nearly twice the rate as native born Americans.

I'm all about open borders, in a free society, but I'm not about to help destroy western civilization by promoting open borders and immigration when we have a huge welfare state.

 

[TheCount]

I agree, we should implement a permanent residency program for skilled workers rather than just a temporary visa.

 

[Danke]

 

[Madison320]

That's a horrible idea, if you read the rest of the article you would know that. I've been saying for while now that the H1-B program is part of a huge subsidy program and I had people arguing against me. I'm glad this article was posted to back me up.

Until the subsidies and welfare state ends, there is no benefit to opening up immigration.

People used to come here for the opportunity to succeed on their own and for the American culture. Now they are coming for the benefits and the money and the subsidies.

If you pay a woman $500 to go on a date with you and then complain when she doesn't love you, isn't that your fault? We are paying these people to come here then expecting that they are going to love our country.. they don't love our country, they love the free $#@!. Not only that, they are $#@!ing socialists at nearly twice the rate as native born Americans.

I'm all about open borders, in a free society, but I'm not about to help destroy western civilization by promoting open borders and immigration when we have a huge welfare state.

We already beat this dead horse so let's not get into the details again. Would you at least agree that eliminating the H1B program is WAY down on the list of our problems? If we completely eliminate the H1B program, you won't notice squat either way. We've got not just one, but dozens of massive elephants in the room and we're worried about a speck of dust. How about SS, Medicare, Defense spending, tax reform, minimum wage, money printing, socialized healthcare (Obamacare or Trumpcare), etc, etc.

A combination of xenophobia and hatred of big business has turned this from a teensy tiny molehill to the Himalayas.

 

[dannno]

We already beat this dead horse so let's not get into the details again. Would you at least agree that eliminating the H1B program is WAY down on the list of our problems? If we completely eliminate the H1B program, you won't notice squat either way. We've got not just one, but dozens of massive elephants in the room and we're worried about a speck of dust. How about SS, Medicare, Defense spending, tax reform, minimum wage, money printing, socialized healthcare (Obamacare or Trumpcare), etc, etc.

A combination of xenophobia and hatred of big business has turned this from a teensy tiny molehill to the Himalayas.

No it's not high on my priority list, but I'm not going to complain about Trump curtailing the program either.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

A combination of xenophobia and hatred of big business has turned this from a teensy tiny molehill to the Himalayas.

Every individual will have different reasons. While those reasons you identify can be factors for some people, unemployment, overcrowding, traffic and housing prices are also effecting people. Those impact people directly, which tends to make them bigger issues. Just like healthcare has become a big issue, as it is hitting people right in the wallet.

No it's not high on my priority list, but I'm not going to complain about Trump curtailing the program either.

But it was high on the priority of most Trump voters, and even some non-Trump voters. It also brought him some swing voters, who might normally vote Democrat.

 

[charrob]

The H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed: totally agree.

 

[kahless]

Where is the upside?

- Foreigner workers preferred over American workers. Some tech companies 70-80% engineers are H-1B. It is an anti-American worker program.
- Low salaries of H-1B's drive down the salaries of American workers. Less spending money in the pockets of Americans = less money put back into the economy.
- Displacement of American workers for foreign workers places more American workers on unemployment and welfare benefits.
- The H-1B's life is subject to a sponsor and lives in the country at the whim of the employer. Effectively a slave that must comply to any demand out of fear of being sent back home.
- Institutionalized age discrimination. Most H-1Bs are under 30, and since younger workers are cheaper than older ones in both wages and health care costs, employers use the H-1B program to avoid hiring older (35+) Americans.

 

[oyarde]

I see no need for it or upside for taxpayers .

 

[jmdrake]

Why the H-1B Visa Racket Should Be Abolished, Not Reformed
By Ilana Mercer - April 24, 2017

That's a horrible idea, if you read the rest of the article you would know that. I've been saying for while now that the H1-B program is part of a huge subsidy program and I had people arguing against me. I'm glad this article was posted to back me up.

Until the subsidies and welfare state ends, there is no benefit to opening up immigration.

People used to come here for the opportunity to succeed on their own and for the American culture. Now they are coming for the benefits and the money and the subsidies.

If you pay a woman $500 to go on a date with you and then complain when she doesn't love you, isn't that your fault? We are paying these people to come here then expecting that they are going to love our country.. they don't love our country, they love the free $#@!. Not only that, they are $#@!ing socialists at nearly twice the rate as native born Americans.

I'm all about open borders, in a free society, but I'm not about to help destroy western civilization by promoting open borders and immigration when we have a huge welfare state.

Sorry but the stupidity of this article hurts my neurons. This part in particular.

So while public property is property funded by taxpayers through expropriated taxes; belongs to taxpayers; is to be managed for their benefit—at least one million additional immigrants a year, including recipients of the H-1B visa, are allowed the free use of taxpayer-supported infrastructure and amenities. Every new arrival avails himself of public works such as roads, hospitals, parks, libraries, schools, and welfare.

Ummm....H1B visa holders pay taxes. Many of them pay more taxes than the average native born American. And most of them send their kids to private schools because, frankly, American public schools suck. I can see complaining about immigrants using welfare or the public school system. But complaining about immigrants using "muh roads?" Seriously?

Okay. Substitute "tourist" for "H1B visa holders." It would be wrong to give tourists food stamps. But should you keep tourists off the roads? If they are driving, they buy gas and pay gas taxes. If they are paying someone else to drive, like an Uber driver, the person they hired is buying gas and paying gas taxes. Maybe you can make the argument that tourists are using "welfare" when they use public transportation so....ban tourism?

Really, anti immigrant conservatives are as bad as statist liberals. Once in a family law class the teacher brought up "octomom" (the lady that had 8 kids at once.) Most of the class was like "Oh....that's so terrible! That should be banned!" Mind you everyone was all for any type of "alternative" family. Two guys or two gals? Perfect. Family having 8 kids? Terrible! Their reasoning "They are using up our precious resources." I was like "But what if they aren't on welfare?" One particularly angry witch droned "I used to work in a public school and I saw how all these kids come in and they use this and that." so I said "And if the kids are home schooled?" She was like "They use our electricity!" So I countered "And if they are off grid?" Then she shut up.

I'm seeing the same thing with the anti immigrant crowd. Sure, I don't want people coming here and getting on welfare. But getting on our roads? Are you freaking kidding me?

Oh, AND THE ARTICLE FLAT OUT LIED BY STATING THAT H1B VISA PARTICIPANTS GET WELFARE!

Stupid article. Worst I have ever read on the subject.

 

[Ender]

Sorry but the stupidity of this article hurts my neurons. This part in particular.

So while public property is property funded by taxpayers through expropriated taxes; belongs to taxpayers; is to be managed for their benefit—at least one million additional immigrants a year, including recipients of the H-1B visa, are allowed the free use of taxpayer-supported infrastructure and amenities. Every new arrival avails himself of public works such as roads, hospitals, parks, libraries, schools, and welfare.

Ummm....H1B visa holders pay taxes. Many of them pay more taxes than the average native born American. And most of them send their kids to private schools because, frankly, American public schools suck. I can see complaining about immigrants using welfare or the public school system. But complaining about immigrants using "muh roads?" Seriously?

Okay. Substitute "tourist" for "H1B visa holders." It would be wrong to give tourists food stamps. But should you keep tourists off the roads? If they are driving, they buy gas and pay gas taxes. If they are paying someone else to drive, like an Uber driver, the person they hired is buying gas and paying gas taxes. Maybe you can make the argument that tourists are using "welfare" when they use public transportation so....ban tourism?

Really, anti immigrant conservatives are as bad as statist liberals. Once in a family law class the teacher brought up "octomom" (the lady that had 8 kids at once.) Most of the class was like "Oh....that's so terrible! That should be banned!" Mind you everyone was all for any type of "alternative" family. Two guys or two gals? Perfect. Family having 8 kids? Terrible! Their reasoning "They are using up our precious resources." I was like "But what if they aren't on welfare?" One particularly angry witch droned "I used to work in a public school and I saw how all these kids come in and they use this and that." so I said "And if the kids are home schooled?" She was like "They use our electricity!" So I countered "And if they are off grid?" Then she shut up.

I'm seeing the same thing with the anti immigrant crowd. Sure, I don't want people coming here and getting on welfare. But getting on our roads? Are you freaking kidding me?

Oh, AND THE ARTICLE FLAT OUT LIED BY STATING THAT H1B VISA PARTICIPANTS GET WELFARE!

Stupid article. Worst I have ever read on the subject.

AMEN.

 

[Madison320]

Where is the upside?

- Foreigner workers preferred over American workers. Some tech companies 70-80% engineers are H-1B. It is an anti-American worker program.
- Low salaries of H-1B's drive down the salaries of American workers. Less spending money in the pockets of Americans = less money put back into the economy.
- Displacement of American workers for foreign workers places more American workers on unemployment and welfare benefits.
- The H-1B's life is subject to a sponsor and lives in the country at the whim of the employer. Effectively a slave that must comply to any demand out of fear of being sent back home.
- Institutionalized age discrimination. Most H-1Bs are under 30, and since younger workers are cheaper than older ones in both wages and health care costs, employers use the H-1B program to avoid hiring older (35+) Americans.

You're using classic, flawed Keynesian logic. You're only looking at one side of the equation, the pay of the US worker. If that were true we could simply raise the minimum wage to $1000 an hour and we'd all be rich. The other sides of the equation are the business owners and the consumers. Cheaper, more productive workers allow producers to charge less for their products, which is good for consumers. It also allows businesses to compete globally.

You and many others here need to read Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. It's basically the broken window fallacy.

 

[Madison320]

Oh, AND THE ARTICLE FLAT OUT LIED BY STATING THAT H1B VISA PARTICIPANTS GET WELFARE!

Yeah, that part was especially stupid. By definition H1Bs aren't on welfare. Duh.

 

[juleswin]

I see no need for it or upside for taxpayers .

Which tax payers? business people, shareholders, customers who get more affordable goods and services are tax payers too and I think they see an upside or else they won't be asking for it.

 

[kahless]

You're using classic, flawed Keynesian logic. You're only looking at one side of the equation, the pay of the US worker. If that were true we could simply raise the minimum wage to $1000 an hour and we'd all be rich. The other sides of the equation are the business owners and the consumers. Cheaper, more productive workers allow producers to charge less for their products, which is good for consumers. It also allows businesses to compete globally.

You and many others here need to read Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. It's basically the broken window fallacy.

I only believe in Libertarian values within what is the geographic borders of the US. Unless you are an internationalist Oligarch, outside of that, it and globalism is retarded for any chance at individual liberty for the majority of people in this geographic region.

 

[Madison320]

Which tax payers? business people, shareholders, customers who get more affordable goods and services are tax payers too and I think they see an upside or else they won't be asking for it.

Yeah, but they're rich people, therefore sub human and have no rights.

 

[kahless]

Yeah, but they're rich people, therefore sub human and have no rights.

Another exaggeration about the opposition. The issue is really about the immorality of the elites which clearly is being ignored and their propaganda propagated here. Prior to the 80s they would be called out for their immorality and some corporations would actually serve the people here and their community equally with the quest for profits. But now it is solely about majority shareholder value over everything no matter the consequences and without any allegiance to the people of this country. God forbid you call out their immorality since people have now been brainwashed to believe that some how makes you against free markets, some how promoting regulations or a Communist.

The globalists and those supporting these policies are the enemy of the majority of Americans more than any foreign power.

 

[Madison320]

Another exaggeration about the opposition. The issue is really about the immorality of the elites which clearly is being ignored and their propaganda propagated here. Prior to the 80s they would be called out for their immorality and some corporations would actually serve the people here and their community equally with the quest for profits. But now it is solely about majority shareholder value over everything no matter the consequences and without any allegiance to the people of this country. God forbid you call out their immorality since people have now been brainwashed to believe that some how makes you against free markets, some how promoting regulations or a Communist.

The globalists and those supporting these policies are the enemy of the majority of Americans more than any foreign power.

I don't mind you "calling out" corporations for their "immorality". What I hate is when you support government power to infringe on my natural rights. In this case the right of a business to hire who it wants, which affects me indirectly because now I have to pay more for stuff.