Why such little support for Whole Foods?

Too bad studies show absolutely no health improvements from eating Organic foods, or vice versa. Organic farmers still use pesticides, etc.

So , your telling me I'm making " bad decisions" is no different from a Muslim telling me I'm making a bad decision by not praying to Allah every day....it is based solely in blind faith.

So, keep wasting your money , and chances are I'm going to out-live you anyways, bwahahahaha
 
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Too bad studies show absolutely no health improvements from eating Organic foods, or vice versa. Organic farmers still use pesticides, etc.

Why don't you listen to what we tell you?? I've answered this shit like 5 times now and it's getting pretty fucking annoying.

Organic farmers don't use chemicals. Period. If the government says organic farmers can use chemicals, then they are using a bad definition of organic, and the farmers labeled organic by the government might not be organic. That's why I don't shop at mainstream grocery stores even though they carry food labeled organic. There is food labeled organic that isn't. That is why you go to your LOCAL small farms and ask them how they grow their fucking food. It's not that hard. Get to know your local farmers, they will help you out and give you good food. They might not even be certified organic, but if they use organic methods in their farming then you're good to go.
 
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Too bad studies show absolutely no health improvements from eating Organic foods


And I don't care about your BULLSHIT FDA government sponsored anti-organic studies. They are wrong.

Organic farming encourages soil organisms, which can produce "many compounds that help plants, . . . [many] combine with soil minerals and make them more available to plant roots. . . The presence of these microorganisms at least partially explains the trend showing a higher mineral content of organic food crops."

http://www.nutrition4health.org/nohanews/NNSp02NutQualOrganicVsConv.htm


I don't have to do a study to know that what they are saying is true, because I have a vegetable garden in my backyard and have experienced it myself. You also aren't listening to others here who have told you that the soil in places like Iowa where there has been heavy chemical fertilization is complete crap now because the chemical fertilizers destroy these microorganisms in the soil.. the soil is FUCKING DEAD. The food it produced may have stuff in it, but now the soil is dead. That means if we didn't have chemical fertilizers we wouldn't be able to farm the soil. It isn't sustainable. Is any of this getting through to you?? This is pure logic, nothing to do with praying to fucking Allah.
 
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Why don't you listen to what we tell you?? I've answered this shit like 5 times now and it's getting pretty fucking annoying.

Organic farmers don't use chemicals. Period. If the government says organic farmers can use chemicals, then they are using a bad definition of organic, and the farmers labeled organic by the government might not be organic. That's why I don't shop at mainstream grocery stores even though they carry food labeled organic. There is food labeled organic that isn't. That is why you go to your LOCAL small farms and ask them how they grow their fucking food. It's not that hard. Get to know your local farmers, they will help you out and give you good food. They might not even be certified organic, but if they use organic methods in their farming then you're good to go.

Bingo. There's tons of farmers' markets here in the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
BucJason's Bullshit Debunked:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paula-crossfield/organic-versus-convention_b_247801.html

Organic Versus Conventional Food: UK Report Flawed

A report issued yesterday [PDF] by Dr. Alan Dangour of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, commissioned by the Food Standards Agency (FSA) in the UK, claims that there is no substantial difference in nutritional content between organic and conventional food. The report was based on the review of fifty years worth of research papers on the subject. But reading it makes one wonder if influence caused a misreading of the findings, and in addition, if the agency has addressed the wrong questions entirely.

Even with very few studies comparing organic to conventional out there, evidence has proven that certain nutrients, such as Vitamin C and antioxidants, are on average higher in organic food. For example, a US study released in 2008 by The Organic Center focused on the nutrient quality of plant-based organic versus conventional foods, using matched pairs, "crops grown on nearby farms, on the same type of soil, with the same irrigation systems and harvest timing, and grown from the same plant variety." According to their report,

"Across all the valid matched pairs and the 11 nutrients included in [The Organic Center] study, nutrient levels in organic food averaged 25% higher than in conventional food. Given that some of the most significant differences favoring organic foods were for key antioxidant nutrients that most Americans do not get enough of on most days, the team concluded that the consumption of organic fruits and vegetables, in particular, offered significant health benefits, roughly equivalent to an additional serving of a moderately nutrient dense fruit or vegetable on an average day."


The Soil Association in the UK also pointed out yesterday that the FSA left out a more rigorous report commissioned by the European Union that found a range of "nutritionally desirable compounds" like antioxidants, vitamins, and glycosinolates were present in greater amounts in organic crops, while the amount of "nutritionally undesirable compounds" like mycotoxins, glycoalkaloids, cadmium and nickel were present in lower amounts by comparison in organic crops.


For research purposes the FSA report took into account studies beginning in 1958, from before we knew about the role certain nutrients played in our diet. In addition, studies show that nutrient content of our food overall has been going down over time. According to Michael Hansen of Consumer's Union, "including older studies, with crop varieties that no longer are on the market, and which did have more nutrients, only serves to lessen the possibility of finding any significant differences between organic and conventional foods."

The FSA study also ignored the 15 relevant studies that have come out since their February 2008 cut off date that could have changed the outcome of the report. In addition, the FSA analysis actually found that organic food contains more phosphorus, a beneficial nutrient, while conventional food on average contains more nitrogen, which scientists have linked to cancer. (Read more here) Why wasn't this information considered before issuing a substantial equivalence?

Aside from nutrients, contaminants are not considered in the FSA report. It has been proven that antibiotics are being taken up by plants via manure application on fields. The study did not address this or the unhealthy side effects of continued intake of pesticide residues, which accumulate in our bodies. There are a lack of studies on this subject, and investigators' claimed that these questions were "beyond the scope" of this report, but that also might be due to a certain interest in keeping the scope small and thus the outcomes skewed.

The FSA is a branch of the government of the United Kingdom, but states on it's website that it "works at 'arm's length' from Government because it doesn't report to a specific minister and is free to publish any advice it issues." With no oversight, influence over the selected research could have been a factor in the outcomes. A look at the profiles of the head of FSA reveals former employees of agribusinesses like Arla Foods (now part of Europe's largest dairy), Sarah Lee Corporation, and UK grocery giant Sainsbury's. Therefore it is not hard to assume that the perspective may lean towards what is best for agribusiness interests.

The FSA report was commissioned to determine whether or not the nearly 4 billion dollar organic industry in Great Britain could claim higher health benefits when selling its products. By rendering the playing field equal for conventional farmers, the government and the agricultural sector wouldn't have to begin the difficult work of shifting the unwieldy agricultural system towards sustainability.

One of the biggest hurtles to reforming our food system in the United States is our unwillingness to acknowledge at the governmental level the superiority of sustainable agriculture. Leaving aside the nutrient question, organic agriculture helps improve the soil, protects farm workers from exposure to toxic chemicals, places an emphasis on animal welfare, and keeps toxic runoff out of our waterways. In so doing, sustainable agriculture improves not just our personal health, but our collective environmental health.

The nutrient content in our food is going down because our soil is being degraded. Sustainable agriculture, by contrast, improves the food we eat by improving our environment. Instead of focusing on puny reports that tell us next to nothing and yet dominate the media with simple binaries, we should be taking an integrative approach to analyzing data and therefore face the hard truths before us. As Wendell Berry and Wes Jackson, two of our countries most respected voices on our soil wrote in a New York Times op-ed back in January, which continues to be as scary as it is relevant: "Civilizations have destroyed themselves by destroying their farmland."

So we have a decision to make. If we chose business as usual, it will be at our own peril.


You better read that shit, cause it's exactly what we've been trying to tell you. Pull your head... OUT of your ass..
 
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Dannno = Bullshit ! ( and he eats it too if he likes organic , haha )

I'm sorry, you lose, it is all outlined above. Your bullshit study was fixed by the establishment and you fell for it because you weren't willing to look further into the issue. You are such a fucking establishment lackey. If the establishment wanted you to eat organic, they wouldn't be publishing these bullshit studies and putting them all over the MSM. Think about it.
 
But seriously , Dannno , how does cow shit taste ???

I dunno, isn't it all mixed in with your $.99 burgers?? I would only use it in the soil to keep it healthy.

The closest I've been to cow shit is when I mixed a bunch of mushroom spawn, but I had gloves on.
 
I shop at Whole Foods.. I eat organic foods.. and more importantly, local foods... and I do find they taste better and are cleaner than the typical chemically treated, shipped in alternatives.
 
I dunno, isn't it all mixed in with your $.99 burgers?? I would only use it in the soil to keep it healthy.

The closest I've been to cow shit is when I mixed a bunch of mushroom spawn, but I had gloves on.

Dannno, I think he's just trying to rile you up. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows that it's better to eat fruits and vegetables without pesticides. Anything that kills bugs and bacteria will also likely be detrimental to us as well.

Hormones injected or fed to livestock will have some effect on us because we're very sensitive to such chemicals. Are we entirely sure what the effects are? No. But they certainly aren't tested over thousands of years like natural foods are.

I made a really awesome tortellini dish using homegrown organic broccoli, garlic, onions, green beans, tomatoes and basil tonight. It was fantastic, healthy and cost me almost nothing to make.
 
Because the organic food movement is bullshit?

From what I've read! The whole thing seems ridiculous to me. Never been to one, but I have this image of obsessively thin and desperately obese people But if I had any clue the left was boycotting them for their employee healthcare plans (which I admire), I would be a bit irritated. But what exactly were the left boycotting? Their stores? I mean, besides reinforce Whole Foods to keep such plans (why bother?), what could you do? On the other hand, Beck needs his advertisers. And we can fight to keep these advertisers on board by persuasion. Whole Foods, though, is directly targeted and lose profits directly from a boycott. Therefore, they'll do whatever keeps them bringing people into the store.
 
Dannno, I think he's just trying to rile you up. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows that it's better to eat fruits and vegetables without pesticides. Anything that kills bugs and bacteria will also likely be detrimental to us as well.

Hormones injected or fed to livestock will have some effect on us because we're very sensitive to such chemicals. Are we entirely sure what the effects are? No. But they certainly aren't tested over thousands of years like natural foods are.

I made a really awesome tortellini dish using homegrown organic broccoli, garlic, onions, green beans, tomatoes and basil tonight. It was fantastic, healthy and cost me almost nothing to make.

Sounds wonderful! Did you make a sauce for it? Olive oil? Marinara? Cream? Etc.?
 
I'm not the person you are asking but, the Olive oil the garlic was fried in is the "sauce" for that. Why ruin all that good stuff with a "sauce"?

And while I'm at it, here is one of our family favorites for a "sauceless" pasta dinner. Usually the ingredients come from whole foods..

Ingredients:
1. 1 Bulb Garlic (diced)
2. 1 bag of whole wheat pasta (penne)
3. 2 Heads of Broccoli Rabe aka:rapini (chopped)
4. 1 can of cannelini beans or red kidney beans (strained and rinse well)
5. white pepper or black pepper and red pepper flakes
6. grated parmigiana or romano cheese.
7. olive oil

Steps:
1. sautee pan: sautee garlic on medium in olive oil (of course) and some red pepper flakes
2. Boil pasta and strain, mix some butter in (optional) (keep seperate)
3. sautee pan: when garlic becomes translucent, add broccoli rabe, add salt and white pepper to taste
stir well, cook until you can push fork through a stem (don't overcook)
4. sautee pan: mix in rinsed/strained beans and stir in lightly.
5. When beans are warmed up: mix in pasta.
6. Top with parmigiana or romano cheese
7. Serve.....
 
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^yeah, I'm finding that when you are using pure ingredients, you don't need stuff like sauces, because they get in the way of the natural flavors of the dish.
 
And while I'm at it, here is one of our family favorites for a "sauceless" pasta dinner. Usually the ingredients come from whole foods..

Ingredients:
1. 1 Bulb Garlic (diced)
2. 1 bag of whole wheat pasta (penne)
3. 2 Heads of Broccoli Rabe aka:rapini (chopped)
4. 1 can of cannelini beans or red kidney beans (strained and rinse well)
5. white pepper or black pepper and red pepper flakes
6. grated parmigiana or romano cheese.
7. olive oil

Steps:
1. sautee pan: sautee garlic on medium in olive oil (of course) and some red pepper flakes
2. Boil pasta and strain, mix some butter in (optional) (keep seperate)
3. sautee pan: when garlic becomes translucent, add broccoli rabe, add salt and white pepper to taste
stir well, cook until you can push fork through a stem (don't overcook)
4. sautee pan: mix in rinsed/strained beans and stir in lightly.
5. When beans are warmed up: mix in pasta.
6. Top with parmigiana or romano cheese
7. Serve.....


Great!
 
Precisely.

That's the main problem I have with Libertarian4321 and Bucjason.. they are completely short sighted and don't consider the effects of what they are doing to others or to themselves in the long-run. Everything is about that $.99 cheeseburger, screw thinking about what you have to eat, let the corporations do it for you. It's intellectually lazy and completely irresponsible. I have no problem with someone eating a $.99 cheeseburger once in a while, there's nothing wrong with a treat.. just eat healthy in general.

So we disagree with your OPINION and we are "intellectually lazy?"

The .99 cheeseburger comment is just plain stupid. The fact that I choose not to pay more for a Whole Foods tomato vs a tomato from a normal grocery store does not mean I'm eating dozens of cheeseburgers. You can eat healthy without paying too much at Whole Foods. Even someone with limited intellect should be able to understand that. Try to focus on the topic at hand without engaging in moronic obfuscation.

Just out of curiosity, Mr. Intellectual, what degrees do you hold and from what schools?

Have you a great deal of study in the areas of chemistry, public health, and epidemiology (fields of study related to food safety)? Do you have extensive knowledge of business/economics? Perhaps if you convince me that you are my educational/intellectual superior in this area, I will follow your advice*.

This isn't likely, however, as I suspect, talking out your ass...

BTW, I went grocery shopping today and I'm still not supporting Whole Foods. Got some great NON organic tomatoes, onions, potatoes, greens, apples, romaine, bananas, etc for a good price at one of Whole Food's competitors, lol.


*Note: Listening to Alex Jones or surfing "infowars.com" (or the like) does NOT count as a good education.
 
I'm not the person you are asking but, the Olive oil the garlic was fried in is the "sauce" for that. Why ruin all that good stuff with a "sauce"?

And while I'm at it, here is one of our family favorites for a "sauceless" pasta dinner. Usually the ingredients come from whole foods..

Ingredients:
1. 1 Bulb Garlic (diced)
2. 1 bag of whole wheat pasta (penne)
3. 2 Heads of Broccoli Rabe aka:rapini (chopped)
4. 1 can of cannelini beans or red kidney beans (strained and rinse well)
5. white pepper or black pepper and red pepper flakes
6. grated parmigiana or romano cheese.
7. olive oil

Steps:
1. sautee pan: sautee garlic on medium in olive oil (of course) and some red pepper flakes
2. Boil pasta and strain, mix some butter in (optional) (keep seperate)
3. sautee pan: when garlic becomes translucent, add broccoli rabe, add salt and white pepper to taste
stir well, cook until you can push fork through a stem (don't overcook)
4. sautee pan: mix in rinsed/strained beans and stir in lightly.
5. When beans are warmed up: mix in pasta.
6. Top with parmigiana or romano cheese
7. Serve.....

I make a similar olive oil/garlic spaghetti (minus the beans). You can experiment with a lot of ingredients- try adding carrot shreds, shrimp, mushrooms, zucchini, or whatever. Once you get a good garlic and oil base, you can add almost anything you like.

Maybe we should create a Ron Paul forums cook book :)
 
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