Why So Many Millennials Are Socialists

It's really pathetic. I bet the majority of them use Apple products and wear designer labels sipping their lattes at starbucks writing on their facebook walls how awesome Socialism is. The hypocrisy is barf inducing.

Sadly this is about 100% accurate to the people I know on the West End. I want to smack every socialist-loving person my age in the mouth with a handful of smelling salts, but I try and educate them instead.

I get mixed results. At the very least I'm not shunned simply because I'm more knowledgeable and it's hard to counter what I'm saying when they know jack shit about socialism, the history of our nation and Government, or economics.
 
Do these Millennials actually want to nationalize the whole economy?

I'm guessing maybe they don't quite want to emulate China, even though ironically that is where our Apple products. I guess Socialism works as long as it's in another country.

Seriously though, they probably just respect a nation with a safety net? Not necessarily that they want government to take over all means of production.
 
I guess I'm technically a millennial (I'm 25), but I really feel like I have nothing my generation other than enjoying technology. I actually kind of hate my generation for being (in unsavory terms) whiny dumb cunts.

Although it does transcend my generation. Ever notice how everyone is so obsessed with their phone and in their own little world, and only worry about themselves? It's really noticeable when you work with customers constantly.

I think part of the problem is social media. Everyone thinks they are so important and can spread their voice where when previously your dumb opinions were completely insignificant. Although I guess it is a double edged sword because we thrived because of it between 2007 - 2012.

I have no solution.
 
Regardless either way it is politically foolish to make it a priority. It is "keep the money you took from me for retirement" vs "cutting - all other fed expenditures" first. "keeping what is perceived as my money" vs "cutting trillions in the Middle East". Most people are going to say F the Middle East and every program you can think of before they will agree to a candidate where they will have to give up that money.

My comment was about the polls in the OP, not about what's a winning political platform.

But popular or not, if something can't go on forever, it won't.
 
I think they mainly just want to get rid of their student loans. Free healthcare too since that's basically what their parents had through their employer.

I'm technically a millennial since I was born in the 80's. One manager a few years older than me has been making six figures and is still paying off his student loans. Many co-workers in their mid thirties are still paying off their student loans too. Debt is your enemy.
 
It's because they aren't really socialists they are stupid kids that reflexively grasp onto anything that seems "popular" and can define them as "different" from the previous status quo and feels like they are forming a individual identity in pursuit of some feeling they are gonna fix it with their 20 year old wise brains! No thought required, no politics really required. Youth has a long history of rebelling against whatever you got.

So, now perversely they are rebelling against "being" able to rebel. LOL. We got to fight, for our right to beeee pc... We got to fight, for our right not to own property.... Beasty Boys if they came out in 2016.

We're so enlightened we are past Free Speech man, go back to your cave with your hate. What you call property rights I call the subjugation of minorities, take your hate away from me bro... Women are oppressed.... that's just a fact I have to say to get laid bro.... or rather, I know that for a fact, they couldn't vote like when my grandmother was a baby..... So much oppression. We're gonna fix it this time.
 
I guess I'm technically a millennial (I'm 25), but I really feel like I have nothing my generation other than enjoying technology. I actually kind of hate my generation for being (in unsavory terms) whiny dumb cunts.

Although it does transcend my generation. Ever notice how everyone is so obsessed with their phone and in their own little world, and only worry about themselves? It's really noticeable when you work with customers constantly.

I think part of the problem is social media. Everyone thinks they are so important and can spread their voice where when previously your dumb opinions were completely insignificant. Although I guess it is a double edged sword because we thrived because of it between 2007 - 2012.

I have no solution.

It seems a lot of Millennials feel that way also. ;) :D Demographics is very often destiny.
 
I have no solution.


"All the great establishments, of every kind, now in the hands of
a few proprietors, but employing a great number of wage laborers, would
be broken up; for few or no persons, who could hire capital and do
business for themselves would consent to labour for wages for another."

-Lysander Spooner
 
This^^ Very large amounts of all 20th century generations are socialist to some extent or another. Laissez-faire fanboys like RP are exceptions to the norm.

How we used to scoff at the Russkies and East Germans, with their "socialism" and "surveillance states".

Maybe there's something to this.

If you're in prison anyway, why not raise hell for more privileges and better meals at the commissary?

Free Ponies and dental care!
 
It's really pathetic. I bet the majority of them use Apple products and wear designer labels sipping their lattes at starbucks writing on their facebook walls how awesome Socialism is. The hypocrisy is barf inducing.

Socialism is hardly "the state owning the means of production". That is communism. Socialism generally means to people, high taxes and "free" stuff.

So whether socialism really means "this" or "that" according to this or that thinker is irrelevant, when answering the question posed in the OP. A lot of you people get waaay too involved in your own little theoretical ways of defining terms and your favorite thinkers' definitions with cult followings at best, to really even know what the hell is going on in the real world.
 
How we used to scoff at the Russkies and East Germans, with their "socialism" and "surveillance states".

Maybe there's something to this.

If you're in prison anyway, why not raise hell for more privileges and better meals at the commissary?

Free Ponies and dental care!
Into a zombie-powered future, comrades! :D
 
Socialism is hardly "the state owning the means of production". That is communism. Socialism generally means to people, high taxes and "free" stuff.

So whether socialism really means "this" or "that" according to this or that thinker is irrelevant, when answering the question posed in the OP. A lot of you people get waaay too involved in your own little theoretical ways of defining terms and your favorite thinkers' definitions with cult followings at best, to really even know what the hell is going on in the real world.
All thinkers with followers or influence develop cults to some extent or another. Look at the Founding Father cult around RPFs, for example. What makes any better than the others is a matter of opinion.
 
How easy is it?
Super easy. But you have to want to get out. Most people would rather just be more comfortable where they are.

When you are locked in a cage with a hard floor, the man who offers you a pillow is a prince.
 
I have no data on any of this, but I think what might be called 'the left' hooks the younger crowds on social issues before anything else. From there, I suspect many of them may eventually adopt left-leaning stances on economic issues simply as a result of exposure and association, but I honestly believe it all begins with social stuff. Every new generation seems to become more and more socially liberal, and I don't see this trend ending any time soon. So unless the right collectively begins adopting more socially liberal rhetoric and positions, they're going to continue to lose to the left among the younger crowds from the outset.
 
I have no data on any of this, but I think what might be called 'the left' hooks the younger crowds on social issues before anything else. From there, I suspect many of them may eventually adopt left-leaning stances on economic issues simply as a result of exposure and association, but I honestly believe it all begins with social stuff. Every new generation seems to become more and more socially liberal, and I don't see this trend ending any time soon. So unless the right collectively begins adopting more socially liberal rhetoric and positions, they're going to continue to lose to the left among the younger crowds from the outset.

The mentality since FDR is that government is responsible for everything that happens or fails to happen in this country. This is the core belief among all subsequent generations, not just millennials.
 
I have no data on any of this, but I think what might be called 'the left' hooks the younger crowds on social issues before anything else. From there, I suspect many of them may eventually adopt left-leaning stances on economic issues simply as a result of exposure and association, but I honestly believe it all begins with social stuff. Every new generation seems to become more and more socially liberal, and I don't see this trend ending any time soon. So unless the right collectively begins adopting more socially liberal rhetoric and positions, they're going to continue to lose to the left among the younger crowds from the outset.

Interesting. I was thinking about this to and wondering if this is a push back(or blowback) against Social Conservatism. Maybe younger people actually link Conservatism with George W. Bush and think these ideas ruined their chance at a better economy.

But yeah, it's true that Left Wing and Right Wing politics come bundled with social issues and even stances on religion. Younger people be less religious and turned off by people like Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee so maybe they turn to the Left by default.
 
If you are broke, cannot afford college or training, living in a city or near one with an extremely high cost of living and the only available jobs barely pay or do not pay enough to keep you from ending up homeless how hell do you think people are going to vote?

And why are you probably broke, root-cause? GOVERNMENT

Why can you not afford college or training? GOVERNMENT

Why is cost of living high? GOVERNMENT

It amazes me how willfully ignorant libertarians and Conservatives can be to the plight of the poor that they have no little to no control over their situation that they would go as far as to disparage the poor.

Oh bullshit. Nobody is disparaging the poor. We take issue with the dogpile attitudes of these people who have no guts or grit and want everything handed to them on a platter. Have you not been paying attention to these foul-mouthed, dull-witted, proudly ignorant fops who demand they be provided with beer and blowjobs? Christ on a crutch man... take a look around you and see the raving madness. Students who demand "safe space" and all their talk of "triggers" and "micro-aggression". They are trying to get as much for nothing as they can possibly manage, and it appears that at least thus far they are making a good go of it. I see it every single day without fail. It is in the media, the places I frequent (Charleston WV is a den of liberal iniquity), and so on.

To assert that we are disparaging the poor indicates you are either not paying attention or are playing games. I don't know which. I would never disparage anyone for being poor. I was not exactly rolling in the dough, growing up. But I worked and made something of myself, meager as it may be, and despite my currently tough circumstance, I blame nobody (save maybe governmental interference) for my situation. I ask no aid from others, much less demand it. I will either swim or I will die ignominiously under a bridge one day. But I will never try to pick YOUR pocket of your presumably hard-earned property. If that renders me "willfully ignorant", then fine, I will wear the banner with pride.

This forum reflects much of Rand's campaign, completely ignorant to the plight of the working poor. Reading here you would think it was the 1600s and people can just lay claim to land to farm for themselves and are just "lazy assholes" for not doing so.

You presume not only too much, but the wrong things. Read what is written and not what you want to see.

That all aside, if you are broke and so on, what exactly are the rest of us to do about it? What is your remedy? I know mine. I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter. How is this to be corrected and what is your vision of a "proper" societal arrangement?
 
I guess I'm technically a millennial (I'm 25), but I really feel like I have nothing my generation other than enjoying technology. I actually kind of hate my generation for being (in unsavory terms) whiny dumb cunts.

My daughter is 30 and she dates men in their 50s because she cannot stand people of her own generation. Those closer to her age that she has dated are all complete pussies and losers. I am biased, but were I 30-ish and someone else and ran into someone like my girl, I'd be on my knees to her in an instant, she is that sound of mind, that faithful, and that much fun to be around. I cannot imagine how fucking stupid these guys must be.

Although it does transcend my generation. Ever notice how everyone is so obsessed with their phone and in their own little world, and only worry about themselves? It's really noticeable when you work with customers constantly.

Back last summer when I was still at the radio station, I watched a woman walk face-first into a light post at full steam whilst making love to her cell phone on the boulevard. She almost went down and I was howling at it. She looked at me like she wanted to shoot me and that just made me laugh even more hysterically.

People and their phones... Jesus. I worked on that technology for years and even invented some of the shit you use, albeit indirectly, and when I was hip-deep in it I had the uneasy feeling that these things were destined to become something of a pernicious factor in life. Sure enough... give people a little rope and they almost inevitably hang themselves. You can put your money on that and become wealthy without the least concern of anything beyond the most modest losses.


I have no solution.

You are wise beyond your years. :)
 
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Im pretty sure I just explained everything in this thread:

Are Psychology and Psychiatry scams or valid professions?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-professions&p=6142069&viewfull=1#post6142069

Basically, Socialism is perceived as popular, it is viral, brainwashing, application weaponized psychology by propaganda. Liberty and Freedom are conceptually under attack from a lot of different directions.

Another big part of that is that the young and vulnerable minds of students are not enabled with Logical Defenses against the concept of Socialism because they do not understand WHY Socialism ultimately fails. See this thread:

Why Socialism Failed
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?490491-Why-Socialism-Failed&p=6137975#post6137975

Very same reason as children are "gullible" enough to believe in Santa Claus.
 
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