Why So Many Millennials Are Socialists

If you are broke, cannot afford college or training, living in a city or near one with an extremely high cost of living and the only available jobs barely pay or do not pay enough to keep you from ending up homeless how hell do you think people are going to vote?

It amazes me how willfully ignorant libertarians and Conservatives can be to the plight of the poor that they have no little to no control over their situation that they would go as far as to disparage the poor.

This forum reflects much of Rand's campaign, completely ignorant to the plight of the working poor. Reading here you would think it was the 1600s and people can just lay claim to land to farm for themselves and are just "lazy assholes" for not doing so.

I'm close to a couple of family millennials and I see lazy people that don't want to start at the bottom and work their way up. They want it all handed to them and that's what they expect since they grew up in one of the biggest monetary bubbles in history when money fell from the sky. Reality is coming home to roost now but they refuse to recognize that the economy is changing quickly. If only they spent as much time and energy trying to improve their situations as they spend trying to avoid reality...

So yea no wonder the "Free Shit" candidate appeals to that group now.
 
I used to be poor. I decided that it sucked and I should change it. So I did.

Can you be more specific?

I think Kahless is referring to a situation where a person is living check to check and they just don't seem to have much spare time and money. Or maybe they do invest their time and money in something on the side such as skills training, but it doesn't pan out. Maybe they go for technical training and run into the No Experience Catch .22. That can possibly be overcome, but again I think many people face a lot of discouragement or they're working from bad advice.

People might really be trying to get ahead, but are stumbling for some reason.
 
I'm close to a couple of family millennials and I see lazy people that don't want to start at the bottom and work their way up. They want it all handed to them and that's what they expect since they grew up in one of the biggest monetary bubbles in history when money fell from the sky. Reality is coming home to roost now but they refuse to recognize that the economy is changing quickly. If only they spent as much time and energy trying to improve their situations as they spend trying to avoid reality...

I'm actually skeptical of the old model of Working Your Way Up. I think Millenials are right to be suspicious of this idea. I think this is mostly based on an old model of rewarding Seniority with promotions and I'm not sure how much this is really done anymore.

I saw another article complaining that Millenials are a Quitter generation and will hop jobs. I think they do this because they seen or heard stories of long time workers or family members who put in many years with a company only to be laid off or fired for a trivial reason. They aren't loyal to the company because to them companies see employees as disposable.
 
IDK where you live, but I didn't experience that. Bankruptcy attorneys have been doing well as long as I can remember. There were ads on the teevee often in teh 90s.

Sure people go bankrupt all the time but it's the easiest it ever has been to finance anything you want.

When I was growing up, there were maybe 6 credit card companies. I guess I remember how hard it was to get even something like a Sears card when I was a kid. Now people beg you to get credit cards and everyone has their very own (Walmart?). When we would tell my adolescent son we didn't have money he would say (seriously)....."Just write a check"...."Just swipe". He's an adult now and admits freely that he never understood the concept of money and debt and having to work to get things....even though his mom and I never had money. And I don't even want to talk about how hard a time it was getting my first car. Now anybody can get one.

I saved up all summer to buy a stupid Star Wars blaster when I was a kid. I know this is all anecdotal.....but I just think today's generation thinks you can have anything you want and are entitled to have it right friggin' now.
 
I used to be poor. I decided that it sucked and I should change it. So I did.

This idea that you have little to no control over your situation is, itself, a product of poor education. That idea does not survive deeper scrutiny.

Some people do not have the ability when they are just trying to make ends meet and are holding multiple jobs to stay a float. They all to frequently lack the time due to work schedules, family obligations or health reasons (handling full time work/night school) to educate or seek an education to change their situation.

The other half of this is you are judging the poor based upon your intelligence level. For some people all the education in the world is not going to make much of a difference. The fact that you are posting here tells me you have a superior intellectual capacity to improve your situation which many of the average folk lack in the same situation.

For the same reasons above I laugh when I hear Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians alike claim that these people will do just fine regardless of the exodus of manufacturing jobs due to free trade because we are a high tech economy and these people will be trained to be high tech workers.
 
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To the extent that they really are more socialistic, it's largely the schools, but I think this is mostly semantics.

The generations that elected FDR or LBJ would have bridled at calling themselves socialists*, but they supported socialism nonetheless.

*a lot of which was a result of Cold War nationalism (socialist = ruskie), rather than any kind of ideological opposition to socialism
 
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.” -- Norman Mattoon Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
 
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To the extent that they really are more socialistic, it's largely the schools, but I think this is mostly semantics.

The generations that elected FDR or LBJ would have bridled at calling themselves socialists*, but they supported socialism nonetheless.

*a lot of which was a result of Cold War nationalism (socialist = ruskie), rather than any kind of ideological opposition to socialism
This^^ Very large amounts of all 20th century generations are socialist to some extent or another. Laissez-faire fanboys like RP are exceptions to the norm.
 
What do you see the Ron Paul movement as, given that it doesn't see itself as Republican but rather an outcast and minority ideology?
The Ron Paul Movement (insofar as it actually was a "movement") was a perfect storm, and you could even say something of a continuation of a trend. Modernity rebelling against itself. Joe McCarthy, The John Birch Society, Pat Buchanan's candidacy, the Ron Paul Revolution, these things arise every so often, but usually change little in the long run. Is Trump a part of this trend too? Only time will tell.
 
Millennials, as a generation, have no memory of the Cold War, etc.. :(

Its an unfortunate truth...but those of us who are able to break free from the government issued textbook, and think for ourselves....I would venture we are more well informed in history than the vast majority of the populous.
 
I'm actually skeptical of the old model of Working Your Way Up. I think Millenials are right to be suspicious of this idea. I think this is mostly based on an old model of rewarding Seniority with promotions and I'm not sure how much this is really done anymore.

I saw another article complaining that Millenials are a Quitter generation and will hop jobs. I think they do this because they seen or heard stories of long time workers or family members who put in many years with a company only to be laid off or fired for a trivial reason. They aren't loyal to the company because to them companies see employees as disposable.

Companies get brought out and closed, merge and restructure every few years these days. Between that and being told to change jobs every few years why would anyone have any loyalty. If you do not change jobs every few years and end up out of work due to any of those reasons you are considered an undesirable unemployed person. Even if you are not laid off you might be considered a problem for staying in the same position or at the same company for too long.

I have witnessed conversations of loyalty in the corporate world, the stock response I hear is: "he/she is an employee at will, nothing more, nothing less and he/she should always have their resume ready". Good advice, a good reminder where everyone stands and exactly why no one has any loyalty.
 
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All those polls are really about is how different groups react to the word "socialism." Old people love their entitlements. They just don't want to be called socialists.
 
All those polls are really about is how different groups react to the word "socialism." Old people love their entitlements. They just don't want to be called socialists.

If you spent 50 years of your life paying part of YOUR salary into a fund such as Social Security would you call it "socialism" or expect to get some of your money back?
 
Can you be more specific?

Sure. I worked. I figured out that by providing more value to someone, I got more compensation. The easiest thing I ever had to do was outwork my coworkers. To the point where the boss needed me most. If I'd ask for more money, they'd give it to me. Because I was worth it to them. I did this in several industries until I found one I wanted to stick around in. I showed up on time and tried to provide value until I left for the day. They kept promoting me into more important roles which meant more money. I made a good living in retail, a cement factory, a railroad, the electric industry. I never had a degree until they paid me to get one (worthless piece of paper, if you ask me - they'll give degrees to any moron who spends enough time.)

I'm actually skeptical of the old model of Working Your Way Up. I think Millenials are right to be suspicious of this idea. I think this is mostly based on an old model of rewarding Seniority with promotions and I'm not sure how much this is really done anymore.

This isn't an "old model". It's life. Provide more value and you will be rewarded. It's friggin' easy and you can make a ton of money. If anyone is suspicious of this idea, then it's their own fault where they end up. Period.

Some people do not have the ability when they are just trying to make ends meet and are holding multiple jobs to stay a float. They all to frequently lack the time due to work schedules, family obligations or health reasons (handling full time work/night school) to educate or seek an education to change their situation.

The other half of this is you are judging the poor based upon your intelligence level. For some people all the education in the world is not going to make much of a difference. The fact that you are posting here tells me you have a superior intellectual capacity to improve your situation which many of the average folk lack in the same situation.

Sorry, but what a crock. I was poor. The kind of poor people don't like to admit. I never said anything about schooling - I was talking about a proper education. There's a big difference. You can get an education cleaning toilets, mopping floors, unloading trucks, stacking tires, or reading meters. I did.

And yeah, I probably have a little higher intellect because I like to read, but I credit my success in life to seeing through the type of bullshit most people tell themselves. It's pretty friggin' simple... Give more value, receive more value. That's it.

Now, there are institutional things that screw with the prosperity of the lower class, but it's not hard to overcome. I wish the Fed didn't monkey with rates, I wish there were no subsidies for products or labor, and I wish there were fewer regulations standing in the way.

I'm not judging the poor from some ivory tower. I was the poor. I know how easy it is to get caught in their trap. But I also know how easy it is to get out. The last thing we need is socialism!
 
If you spent 50 years of your life paying part of YOUR salary into a fund such as Social Security would you call it "socialism" or expect to get some of your money back?

Of course it's socialism. Yes, socialism requires that people pay into it. That's the gist of it. It's not really free stuff.
 
All those polls are really about is how different groups react to the word "socialism." Old people love their entitlements. They just don't want to be called socialists.

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If you spent 50 years of your life paying part of YOUR salary into a fund such as Social Security would you call it "socialism" or expect to get some of your money back?

But then, that money's not really there, is it? You're not getting "your" money back, you're getting someone else's.

So really what you are saying is, "The government spent 50 years stealing from me and giving it the generation before me, so now I want to steal it from the next generation."

Now, some people may make that argument as being justified, but it certainly puts a different spin on it.
 
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