Why should we be able to illegally download music??

Good point.

But please explain to me why the RIAA continues to sue uploaders in civil court instead of demand they are prosecuted in criminal court? :confused:

To my knowledge, only 1 lawsuit has gone to court and been won by the RIAA. What normally happens is the RIAA will send a letter telling them there is a pending case against them and list the maximum penalties, and then they'll offer them a settlement averaging about $3000. Almost everybody pays this, so it almost never goes to court.

Here's a crazy idea... what if the recording industry actually likes people illegally sharing music because all they have to do is send them one of these letters and they make $3000. It's another revenue source. This probably isn't the case, just a crazy idea. :D
 
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Nice visual!
 
Yes I am suuuuuch a thief. Hopefully someone will come and prosecute me for it so that all my money can be given to the poor starving artists.

Actually, you just posted a link to it. Anybody who viewed the image downloaded the image to their computer, stealing it. If you saw the image you're a thief! :D
 
Actually, you just posted a link to it. Anybody who viewed the image downloaded the image to their computer, stealing it. If you saw the image you're a thief! :D

not if they allow you to copy it or use it,if no copyright is on it,then you are free to do what you want!!

this isn't very hard to understand but ooo well!!!
 
if anyone has an original product that they sell,please post so i can copy and sell myself and take for my own use!!

No worries i will not tell you so no worries .I am not taking it or stealing or copying it( i made the original not you). i am just using it for my needs and since you do not know about it. I will not bother you. you might get smaller checks weekly since i will be selling your product without your knowledge!!
Good Luck and thanks for your original product that you made but i will claim:) NEVERMIND, i will not even sell it. I will just copy it and give for free so you cannot sell your product. I suggest you just give your product away for free ,since i will:)

curious who the hell is even buying cds?? they scratch,skip and are useless. Records last longer> I suggest buying your downloads then burning cds then you can throw the cd away once it skips. The best part about me burning my cd is the company i bought the download from allows me to make my cd!!


if i were to burn an extra copy and give to someone else, then yes i am crossing the line no matter how much i tell myself i am not!!


all i know is it makes me feel better knowing i paid for the song! i can get all the free downloads i want thru artists that allow free downloads!!


curious can anyone show me one song in the top 100 itunes, that the artist allows you to download for free?? not a sharing site but the artist themselves??? just curious!
 
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I have a side business hand crafting items. I provide patterns and tutorials for others who wish to try and make their own. My business has grown year over year, even in the current economy. There are 2 others who have started similar businesses (that I am aware of) and the 3 of us often share ideas and collaborate on large projects.
 
I have a side business hand crafting items. I provide patterns and tutorials for others who wish to try and make their own. My business has grown year over year, even in the current economy. There are 2 others who have started similar businesses (that I am aware of) and the 3 of us often share ideas and collaborate on large projects.

sounds good,but you have decided to share your info.
lets just say you do not share and all 3 of you work hard and then all of a sudden all your patterns and ideas are online and free.

would it not make you mad and frustrated that you could not sell anything ,since it would all be online for free. I am sure you would sell some stuff,but the bottom line of your business would be hurt,unless you freely choose to let it out for free!

it is a catch 22 in someways.

Me and my wife have a design company. We choose to sell some items very cheap in hopes of future sells,but if all our designs were free ,how do we make money??

When an artist releases something for a free download ,it is a marketing tool.In hopes that in the future they can sell a product and make a profit!!


Not one band has free downloads so that people can have free music. It is a marketing tool to get there music out there. i assure you once they make a song worth selling . They will sell their music,just ask metallica:) and any other band!!

every business does a favor for someone in hopes of having a customer return for more business! NO??
 
Example ,my wife designed an ad for a company. Then another designer copied my wifes ad design and then offered it to another website.

so you think that is right folks??? I say NO! but it happened. we are gonna nicely ask the designer to give us the credit,but i think some of you think it is ok to steal someone elses design!!

should the designer have asked us first?? YES, did the designer make money off the ad my wife designed,probably! i guess we are wrong for designing the ad and having someone else benefit off my wifes design!!!


maybe they downloaded the ad so it is ok?? hell no , maybe the copied it on the printer so it makes it ok?? hell no.

this designer knew they were copying something they did not design ,yet they have the ad running as if it was theirs!! i would love to hear the thieves explain this example away!!
 
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curious can anyone show me one song in the top 100 itunes, that the artist allows you to download for free?? not a sharing site but the artist themselves??? just curious!

The current #1 itunes song appears to be "My Life Would Suck Without You" by Kelly Clarkson.

Here it is available for free download from the Kelly Clarkson Official Youtube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h09_1qdkFIA

When people refer to illegally downloading music, they are usually referring to mp3 files. However, there it is, made available for free by the artist. It would take me about 5 minutes to download the youtube file, rip the audio from it, convert to mp3, and copy it to an mp3 player or cd.

Serious question that I really don't know the answer to... according to copyright law would that be illegal? They put the song on youtube so that people can download it to their computer (even if it's streaming, it's still downloading to your computer, and it saves it somewhere even if it's just saved in cache). If it is illegal, at what point does it become illegal? Ripping the audio from the youtube file? Converting to mp3? Saving to hard drive, cd, or mp3 player?

This isn't a moral or legal dilemma I often run into. As I said earlier in this thread, almost 100% of the music I listen to comes from etree.org or furthurnet.org, where the artists all give permission to record and share all their live shows. This is just like how the Grateful Dead allowed taping and tape trading... in fact, there are over 6000 Grateful Dead shows available for download.

I'd guess that the Grateful Dead made more money selling merchandise than they ever did selling albums. Maybe not, I don't know for sure, but I do know that I see a lot more Grateful Dead shirts than I hear them on the radio. I don't know if you've ever been to a show where the band allows taping, but people go there for a lot more than just the music... it's a loving, happy, sharing experience. The bands are happy to share their music, and the people are happy to support them by buying their merchandise and music, and spreading good reviews of their experience by word of mouth.

Commercial music through a recording company has marketing via radio, music videos on TV, certain internet technologies, and other promotions. A new band has a (slim) chance of making it big this way, but it's like making a deal with the devil. They have to do everything the recording company says, and in the process a musician can lose some of their soul. I'd bet there's a lot of musicians that would love to let people tape their concerts, but can't because of their contract with the recording company.

I'm not saying that downloading copyrighted music when the owner hasn't given permission is legal or moral. I'm just saying there's another way, and it's a hell of a lot more joyful and fun (to me and most of the people I hang out with anyway). Check out jambase.com... there's probably an awesome concert coming up that you don't even know about because it isn't promoted on TV or radio. And a few days later you might even be able to download a live recording of the concert you just went to.

To any bands that may be reading... you don't have to sign a contract with the devil. Technology is rapidly changing the industry. If you're good, you can make it without a record deal. You can enter your info in at jambase.com, set up a myspace page, upload some sample music to myspace, do some live shows at local bars, record the shows and upload them to places like etree.org. Get more popular by word of mouth, and you'll be able to charge more for your live shows. When you're ready to record an album, you can rent a studio for pretty cheap these days because the recording technology is so much cheaper, or you can even do a half-decent recording in a basement or practice space if it's set up right. You can burn your own CD's to start, or there are duplicating places that will do it cheap. You can even create your own record label... it doesn't cost much. The only caveat to doing it this way is that you have to love playing live shows, touring, and meeting new people to make it big. You can't just record an album and then sit on your butt letting the recording company do all the marketing and pr for you.

speciallyblend, I know you dj, so copyright law is a little different for you because you get paid to play music for a public audience. There are some bands that have music available for download that would be good for playing at a club. I can think of a few off the top of my head; Particle, Galactic, and Dr. Didge. For example, there are 171 taped Particle shows available here. I'm sure there are many other bands that would be good as well. These bands give permission to download and listen and give copies to other people, but using them while dj'ing may be another issue. You may have to contact the band and get permission for that, but I'd guess they'd probably ok it.
 
not if they allow you to copy it or use it,if no copyright is on it,then you are free to do what you want!!

this isn't very hard to understand but ooo well!!!

I was joking about that, but it could be a serious issue. Say an artist creates a painting, and doesn't allow any photos or digital reproductions. If somebody takes a photo of it and posts it on the internet somewhere and a thousand people look at it (which automatically downloads a copy of it to your computer) without knowing the artist doesn't allow digital reproductions, what happens? The artist can sue the person that posted it on the internet for copyright infringement, but how about the 1000 people that downloaded it, are they doing something illegal? What if 1 of the 1000 people that downloaded it uploads it somewhere else, without ever knowing that the original artist doesn't allow digital reproductions?
 
Example ,my wife designed an ad for a company. Then another designer copied my wifes ad design and then offered it to another website.

so you think that is right folks??? I say NO! but it happened. we are gonna nicely ask the designer to give us the credit,but i think some of you think it is ok to steal someone elses design!!

should the designer have asked us first?? YES, did the designer make money off the ad my wife designed,probably! i guess we are wrong for designing the ad and having someone else benefit off my wifes design!!!


maybe they downloaded the ad so it is ok?? hell no , maybe the copied it on the printer so it makes it ok?? hell no.

this designer knew they were copying something they did not design ,yet they have the ad running as if it was theirs!! i would love to hear the thieves explain this example away!!

That sucks, and it's definitely copyright infringement. There's definitely a down side to everybody having the ability to duplicate media so easily. I'm a web designer, and I've experienced that end of it as well. The worst is when you have somebody using your design without your permission, and they live in some other country that doesn't even have any copyright laws. There's not really anything you can do about it.
 
not if they allow you to copy it or use it,if no copyright is on it,then you are free to do what you want!!
That's not true. Something creative is copyrighted the instant it is "fixed in a tangible medium of expression". Whether you register the copyrights or not, you are still entitled to protection under the law.
 
Example ,my wife designed an ad for a company. Then another designer copied my wifes ad design and then offered it to another website.

so you think that is right folks??? I say NO! but it happened. we are gonna nicely ask the designer to give us the credit,but i think some of you think it is ok to steal someone elses design!!
Well, it's not theft, it's copyright (and even possibly) trademark infringement. You can get any attorney to send a C&D notice and hopefully get this cleared up.



should the designer have asked us first?? YES, did the designer make money off the ad my wife designed,probably! i guess we are wrong for designing the ad and having someone else benefit off my wifes design!!!
If you can prove this then you can get actual damages in court. The reality is that it's such a small amount of money to go to court over that it's probbably not worth it. A simple C&D letter might work just as well.

this designer knew they were copying something they did not design ,yet they have the ad running as if it was theirs!! i would love to hear the thieves explain this example away!!
Well again it's not theft it's copyright and maybe trademark infringement.
 
The artist can sue the person that posted it on the internet for copyright infringement, but how about the 1000 people that downloaded it, are they doing something illegal?
No they are not. Only the person doing the copying / distributing without the authorization of the copyright holder.

What if 1 of the 1000 people that downloaded it uploads it somewhere else, without ever knowing that the original artist doesn't allow digital reproductions?
Everything is copyrighted unless it's in the public domain or released by the copyright holder. Therefore one should not go copying anything they happen to see because there is a good chance it would infringe on someone else's exclusive right to copy that specific work of art.
 
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