Why isn't this moneybomb doing better?

[leonster]

Can't really afford it at the moment. Will be saving up for the Black This Out moneybomb next month--*that* topic gets me fired up.

I think (as someone said before) the "Man vs. Washington Machine" theme gets the money flowing better than more positive topics do, in general. In 2007 our two big moneybombs were both obviously on that theme--Nov. 5th (V for Vendetta) and Tea Party (a band of rogues defying the British superpower).

 

[Monique]

Do we? If all we are doing is infighting and refusing to work together do WE deserve Ron Paul.

People seem to think this is all a joke and that this is a free speech zone where they can badmouth people's religion, and post disgusting pictures of corndogs and nothing matters. I am pissed right now. Really pissed. Where is the passion for WORKING for Ron Paul? Moneybombs don't happen by themselves. They take ALL of us doing something to promote the SAME ONE!

I agree with Liberty Eagle, in that I don't know how many newcomers have been driven out of here forever after reading hot topics. What is the point of that section anyway? I thought we were here to get Ron Paul elected. If anyone can tell me that posting nasty pictures or discussing vile things gets Ron votes, I will eat my hat. But I will bet you anything that for any one possible vote that is gained by saying horrible things about other candidate's supporters, you lose 100 votes for Ron.

I also don't think that anyone should share their opinion about anything on this site. What if your opinion offends someone? Is that worth it? What is the point of this site anyway? Is it to get Ron Paul elected, or to have a place where a bunch of kids who are made brave by being behind keyboards can say whatever it is that fills their brain?

We used to say that Ron Paul cured our apathy. It seems that cure stopped working a long time ago, because I see nothing but.

I suggest that hot topics be eliminated. I suggest that any time anyone says something cruel to someone they get suspended, if they do it twice, they get banned. I suggest that anyone who says anything racist gets banned. I suggest that we refocus this site to be all about electing Ron Paul and nothing else. I suggest that we all respect one another. I suggest that we get rid of the chat room for now as it seems to draw focus away from the real work. I suggest that we all work together on a projects that help ron.

I suggest that first and foremost we make this a place where people can come to learn about Ron Paul and be respected if they have differing views. That we make this a welcome and caring place where we are tolerant and teaching. Where we attract rather than try to demand that people feel the same way we do. I suggest most importantly, that we realize that we need the votes of millions of people to get Ron elected and that means people who currently are statists, and Obama supporters, and Perry supporters, and all religions, and all races, and from the north and the south, and from people who think all sorts of things about all sorts of things.

That's my opinion.

 

[TheTexan]

This money bomb was a success, by any standard of measure, but c'mon, let's make the next one HUGE!

 

[nc4rp]

yea people are just broke. we made enough to fuel Ron until the next one.

 

[Chainspell]

Do we? If all we are doing is infighting and refusing to work together do WE deserve Ron Paul.

People seem to think this is all a joke and that this is a free speech zone where they can badmouth people's religion, and post disgusting pictures of corndogs and nothing matters. I am pissed right now. Really pissed. Where is the passion for WORKING for Ron Paul? Moneybombs don't happen by themselves. They take ALL of us doing something to promote the SAME ONE!

I agree with Liberty Eagle, in that I don't know how many newcomers have been driven out of here forever after reading hot topics. What is the point of that section anyway? I thought we were here to get Ron Paul elected. If anyone can tell me that posting nasty pictures or discussing vile things gets Ron votes, I will eat my hat. But I will bet you anything that for any one possible vote that is gained by saying horrible things about other candidate's supporters, you lose 100 votes for Ron.

I also don't think that anyone should share their opinion about anything on this site. What if your opinion offends someone? Is that worth it? What is the point of this site anyway? Is it to get Ron Paul elected, or to have a place where a bunch of kids who are made brave by being behind keyboards can say whatever it is that fills their brain?

We used to say that Ron Paul cured our apathy. It seems that cure stopped working a long time ago, because I see nothing but.

I suggest that hot topics be eliminated. I suggest that any time anyone says something cruel to someone they get suspended, if they do it twice, they get banned. I suggest that anyone who says anything racist gets banned. I suggest that we refocus this site to be all about electing Ron Paul and nothing else. I suggest that we all respect one another. I suggest that we get rid of the chat room for now as it seems to draw focus away from the real work. I suggest that we all work together on a projects that help ron.

I suggest that first and foremost we make this a place where people can come to learn about Ron Paul and be respected if they have differing views. That we make this a welcome and caring place where we are tolerant and teaching. Where we attract rather than try to demand that people feel the same way we do. I suggest most importantly, that we realize that we need the votes of millions of people to get Ron elected and that means people who currently are statists, and Obama supporters, and Perry supporters, and all religions, and all races, and from the north and the south, and from people who think all sorts of things about all sorts of things.

That's my opinion.

uhm wow what the hell is going on here? did I miss something? The forum seems fine to me, and the chatroom is a different experience than the forum but what's in there is normal chatroom stuff. Why are you pissed anyhow? your message was so spread out into so many places that it was hard to digest and understand what your real concerns are. Tell us what's the matter? what really is your problem?

in response to everything you said tho. My opinion is that this is what happens when you become popular. We are drawing in so many people with different backgrounds and beliefs. We are getting popular and that's a good thing. We have people who are committed and some semi-committed and some who only care about themselves. Let the forums work itself out just like the free markets that Ron Paul talks about. Let the bad threads just get ignored and let the bad comments or commenters be shunned if they are bad. It's a public forum just like any other forum out there.

Now if you're suggesting that a special, exclusive and by invitation only forum exist for organizing events, well that's on this forum as well. its just under a different forum number. But if you're suggesting that we start tightening up this forum completely to make it an orderly forum then how does it help our cause by being non-inclusive? You don't have to like everything you read here. And that's the reality of forums becoming more popular--the lesser the people the easier and more orderly it is, the more people there are the more cluttered it becomes. This is just normal.

anyways I've run plenty of forums, and this one is pretty much doing more than fine. One thing I can say about this forum tho. I've never seen a forum so engaged in the giving of +reps as in here. And people in here are quick to remember if you posted something good or something interesting, even if it is a difference in opionion.

forced regulation isn't the only way, we heard this from Ron Paul many many times. Setting a good example for other members, and bringing up concerns like you just have. So that other members are aware that they are getting too out of hand, is a better way, a much free'er way rather than closing the doors. The stickied thread on the top "be nice to new members" is a pro-active way by admins at combating the unruly normal-forum crowd.

 

[mhad]

I wish you would all stop whining it has raised almost 1M it is good.

 

[Chainspell]

I wish you would all stop whining it has raised almost 1M it is good.

and dont forget theres the RevPac on Monday!!! no donation limits!

 

[LibertyEagle]

P.S. We will never do very well if people are satisfied with 800k. We need to be PISSED about that! We need to get passionate and DO SOMETHING!!! 800k? That is what someone like Huckabee draws in Not RON PAUL!! WE don't accept piddling little figures like that!! We get mad and we get to work!!!! Forget that!! Let's all work TOGETHER on one money bomb and one only!!! Black This Out...October 19th! If you are broke this year, then just work harder to find more friends to donate. And you need to be very scared, because Ron can't possibly win unless we get him a lot more money.

I agree. If I recall correctly, the Tea Party moneybomb in the last election had around 67K donors. Successfully advertising these events takes a lot of work by a lot of people. We need some passionate YouTubes like we had before. We need banners. We need people telling everyone they know; not only on the internet, but in real life. We have to build the excitement. The Black this Out moneybomb is right around the corner and we can make it the best one yet. But, to do that, we're all going to need to pitch in to spread the word.

Dr. Paul is counting on us.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

A lot of Ron Paul supporters are young. The youth in this country are one of the most unemployed segments of society. I think it goes without saying that the fortunes of the movement are not as swollen as they were in 2007 (inflation, unemployment, etc.) & the money bombs this time are far more frequent. Is our goal to get Ron money faster this time, or just one large bomb every quarter? Not to mention a lot of people helped Rand, Adam, BJ, local liberty candidates, etc. so it isn't like we had years to save without any other expenditure. Not sure how many institutions people here donate to, but that can eat away at extra savings too (FEE, FFF, Mises Inst., Independent Institute, Antiwar.com, etc.).

 

[Cabal]

I agree. If I recall correctly, the Tea Party moneybomb in the last election had around 67K donors.

That's the issue then. The number of donors for this moneybomb was pretty low, even if we did get a good amount of net dollar donated. 15k people is surely only a fraction of how many people support RP, so why is the number of donors so low? Even people who are low on cash would probably be inclined to throw in a few bucks here and there--so either the message isn't getting out, people aren't being reminded enough, or there's a lack of motivation and/or sense of urgency.

What can we do about this for future bombs?

...Aside from posting rants about censoring forums and such.

 

[speciallyblend]

I'm broke. In 2008 I was chalk full of cash. Today, I am jobless, and my saving is drained. Yay freedom in the land of poor, low paying jobs and increasingly rising prices. Yay free markets. Yay rich tilting laws in their favor destroying the middle class. Yay corruption in Washington. The only way I manage to get by is through government handouts something most Ron Paul supporters would stone me for. So stone me unless you want to be charitable. Didn't think so. Charity is easier said then done when many of us have nothing left to give. So Ron Paul gets no money from me this year. Wish things were different.

i hear, i have lost everything and really one paycheck from having to live with my parents. I am almost to the point of f it all!!

 

[speciallyblend]

Do we? If all we are doing is infighting and refusing to work together do WE deserve Ron Paul.

People seem to think this is all a joke and that this is a free speech zone where they can badmouth people's religion, and post disgusting pictures of corndogs and nothing matters. I am pissed right now. Really pissed. Where is the passion for WORKING for Ron Paul? Moneybombs don't happen by themselves. They take ALL of us doing something to promote the SAME ONE!

I agree with Liberty Eagle, in that I don't know how many newcomers have been driven out of here forever after reading hot topics. What is the point of that section anyway? I thought we were here to get Ron Paul elected. If anyone can tell me that posting nasty pictures or discussing vile things gets Ron votes, I will eat my hat. But I will bet you anything that for any one possible vote that is gained by saying horrible things about other candidate's supporters, you lose 100 votes for Ron.

I also don't think that anyone should share their opinion about anything on this site. What if your opinion offends someone? Is that worth it? What is the point of this site anyway? Is it to get Ron Paul elected, or to have a place where a bunch of kids who are made brave by being behind keyboards can say whatever it is that fills their brain?

We used to say that Ron Paul cured our apathy. It seems that cure stopped working a long time ago, because I see nothing but.

I suggest that hot topics be eliminated. I suggest that any time anyone says something cruel to someone they get suspended, if they do it twice, they get banned. I suggest that anyone who says anything racist gets banned. I suggest that we refocus this site to be all about electing Ron Paul and nothing else. I suggest that we all respect one another. I suggest that we get rid of the chat room for now as it seems to draw focus away from the real work. I suggest that we all work together on a projects that help ron.

I suggest that first and foremost we make this a place where people can come to learn about Ron Paul and be respected if they have differing views. That we make this a welcome and caring place where we are tolerant and teaching. Where we attract rather than try to demand that people feel the same way we do. I suggest most importantly, that we realize that we need the votes of millions of people to get Ron elected and that means people who currently are statists, and Obama supporters, and Perry supporters, and all religions, and all races, and from the north and the south, and from people who think all sorts of things about all sorts of things.

That's my opinion.

i suggest your totally wrong.

 

[Chainspell]

i hear, i have lost everything and really one paycheck from having to live with my parents. I am almost to the point of f it all!!

ahw poor blend.. yeah me too im really close to reaching my debt limit. im gonna start looking for a 2nd job on january if things dont improve.

I also don't think that anyone should share their opinion about anything on this site.

still cant believe someone could say such things lol

 

[reduen]

A more appropriate question would be:

What did you (everyone...) do to promote this money bomb? I would say that if you did not do all that you could do then you really have no right to complain.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

There were only 2 really big ones in 2007 Nov. 5/07 & Dec 16/07 and they were worth about 10M split 4/6 I think.
The true gauge will be the December one, although some people might be maxed out by then. That's why it's not good too blow it all on a few.
More might not be better as it spreads out the impact.

I don't believe this didn't connect before... somewhat over 15,000 people donated to this moneybomb. Donations picked up after Dr. Paul did a short video. Promotion of this MB were slightly lacking. I too, had forgotten this was a moneybomb day till I saw the posts.

Imagine what might happen if the day of the moneybomb, a 30-60 min "infomercial" was broadcast nationally that was promoted by a week of hundreds of national :30 spots across 77+ channels nationally and reached a potential audience of 100-150,000,000 people?

This would fit in beautifully with this project:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?316499-Ron-Paul-quot-infomercial-quot

-t

 

[rich34]

Guys, 900 grand is a great deal of money. I sensed this money bomb wouldn't blow up as much as the last one did, due to the anger not being there as the last one. Also people gotta remember the economy is not what it was in 07. They'll get bigger in Oct. Nov. and of course Dec. I'm still running the idea through my head if we should have competing money bombs in Nov between the 5th and the 11th. Of course let this forum and the official campaign stay away from the 5th, but allow a "rogue" group of supporters to push the 5th. I'm tellin ya we respond better to themes and the 5th is one that we just can't duplicate. Josh made known to me the possible attack on facebook that day and the possibility that they'll link it to us, but sometimes you just gotta take chances and the financial benefit could outweigh the risk. Either way I still say Nov. 5th will be a much larger donation day than normal just due to the fact that people will be doing it in rememberence.

 

[sam1952]

To OP, The Moneybomb was born out of the 2008 campaign. It generated themes, enthusiam and of course money. It fed off itself almost. There was lots of discussion early this time about when and how often. I was in the camp of just to many moneybombs would dilute its impact.

I've always felt we should have been having fundrasing days and saving the term Moneybomb for just 2 or 3 special days. I myself am contributing each time but something tells me when Nov. 5th and Dec. 16 come around I will be digging deeper. Call me sentimental

 

[ItsTime]

Time to turn focus to Black This Out. We need this one to be huge.

 

[Reindeer]

I am not a rich man. Over the last three months, I have donated about $300. For my family, that's a lot considering our income and expenses. I feel tapped out. I will probably donate one more time before the primaries, but we just don't have the money. Hopefully some other donors are able to step up.

 

[TexMac]

Let the forums work itself out just like the free markets that Ron Paul talks about.

This. +++rep