Why is everyone acting like we lost already?

[GeorgiaAvenger]

As far as Ron Paul winning the GOP nominee and eventual President, we are acting like we have lost because we pride ourselves on being reasoned thinkers.

I believe the sooner we realize that the effort to win the nomination is clearly unsuccessful, the sooner we broaden the movement going forward.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Who is this "we" you speak of, forum plant?

I'm sorry, by we I mean me.

 

[PolicyReader]

You know, I really thought all RP supporters were on the same page about this but I guess not.

1) Ron Paul has won many more than 50 delegates

2) IT WAS NEVER THE PLAN TO GET 1144 DELEGATES ON THE FIRST VOTE


This second point is, I think, what is confusing everyone. People, we were never going to win the nomination outright with bound delegates. The idea has always been to go to Tampa with the largest force possible, including those who are bound for other candidates, force a brokered convention, and then enact a strategy that will convince the other delegates on the floor to switch to Paul.


THIS WE CAN STILL DO AND ARE DOING.

If people actually understood this, I don't think we'd be having all this talk about losing.

Accurate post is accurate.

Also as I've said before the "new information" out there about how Willard is now a shoe in to be nominated is neither new nor information. It is more of the same spin job that has been being pushed upon us since before the first votes were cast.

Our path to victory has never been about the straw poll votes nor has it been about outright winning the majority of the northern states.

As Shibbity rightly points out above this is about a brokered convention same as always, this is an uphill fight same as always, and this is still doable same as always.
Prevent Willard from taking 1,144 Bound delegates, box him out of the first round ballot. That's the target, now lets focus.

 

[Noble Savage]

Seems kinda selfish to put so much on one man especially someone that has already given so much. I'm with the folks that say we have already won. Ron Paul is flipping the lights on for a lot of people daily and they're not going away.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

You know, I really thought all RP supporters were on the same page about this but I guess not.

1) Ron Paul has won many more than 50 delegates

2) IT WAS NEVER THE PLAN TO GET 1144 DELEGATES ON THE FIRST VOTE


This second point is, I think, what is confusing everyone. People, we were never going to win the nomination outright with bound delegates. The idea has always been to go to Tampa with the largest force possible, including those who are bound for other candidates, force a brokered convention, and then enact a strategy that will convince the other delegates on the floor to switch to Paul.


THIS WE CAN STILL DO AND ARE DOING.

If people actually understood this, I don't think we'd be having all this talk about losing.

THIS!

+rep

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

2) IT WAS NEVER THE PLAN TO GET 1144 DELEGATES ON THE FIRST VOTE


This second point is, I think, what is confusing everyone. People, we were never going to win the nomination outright with bound delegates. The idea has always been to go to Tampa with the largest force possible, including those who are bound for other candidates, force a brokered convention, and then enact a strategy that will convince the other delegates on the floor to switch to Paul.

Okay, not sure if the idea of Romney, Santorum and Gingrich delegates switching over to coronate fourth-place-out-of-four Ron Paul as the GOP nominee sounds all that much more probable than still declaring we can win outright; but at least it's more understood where you and others here are coming from.

 

[kathy88]

Never mind. Not worth it.

 

[MelissaCato]

Is everyone in focus now? Darn it. Ron Paul 2012!!

 

[anewvoice]

You know, I really thought all RP supporters were on the same page about this but I guess not.

1) Ron Paul has won many more than 50 delegates

2) IT WAS NEVER THE PLAN TO GET 1144 DELEGATES ON THE FIRST VOTE


This second point is, I think, what is confusing everyone. People, we were never going to win the nomination outright with bound delegates. The idea has always been to go to Tampa with the largest force possible, including those who are bound for other candidates, force a brokered convention, and then enact a strategy that will convince the other delegates on the floor to switch to Paul.


THIS WE CAN STILL DO AND ARE DOING.

If people actually understood this, I don't think we'd be having all this talk about losing.

Exactly, to be sitting here today, compared to 08, and be disappointed is astounding. It was over then, we're still going now. First ballot outright win for Paul was never in the cards, this is what the campaign has wanted to do. A win would have been awesome, but it was stolen, at least once.

 

[TheGrinch]

I agree that many people are "waking up" right now, but not to the degree that we need. He has fared well in the caucus states, but our percent of the vote of the primary states has been minute. Maybe I'm delusioned by pessimism, but I really believe if any of us want partake in real capitalism and experience real liberty we will need to look at moving to countries outside the US.

You cannot escape globalism. A sad current reality. All the more reason to fight on.

And anyone who thought this was gonig to be easy or we're just backing a winner is misunderstanding what this movement is about. This is an intellectual revolution that Dr. Paul has helped set ablze. Regardless of what happens this election (and make no mistake, we're never giving up on that either), we most certainly have already won in that regard.

The establishment and media know good and well the power of ideas and the control over minds, but once you liberate those minds, good luck to them taking them back.

 

[awake]

Huh? What? We won already.

 

[69360]

We're only halfway there. Chances of RP as the nominee are not good but not impossible yet.

I know people here hate to hear it but chances of Ron or Rand as VP nominee are more promising.

 

[opinionatedfool]

+rep We have a hard battle but not one that is impossible.

As I keep saying, become a delegate for anyone, anyway, anyhow. Heck, become a delegate for Santorum if you can find a way.

 

[Brown Sapper]

Fuck this bullshit. I don't want rep I want to see donations. I know the media portrays that we are beat. I haven't been pissed any more since I've seen that article mentioning that they didn't know wtf is where Ron Paul is. So screw them we need to show them we haven't gone anywhere. I guess I'll start it.

 

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[coffeewithchess]

All I see this morning are threads about how we should run third party and how its almost over. It's not, the three biggest states haven't even voted yet.

I said the following in another thread...but it applies directly to the biggest three states left to vote:

In California RP got 100,000 votes in 2008, compared to John McCain and Mitt Romney...who both received more than a million votes EACH.
New York, RP only received 40,000 votes compared to John McCain's 330,000, and Mitt Romney's 178,000.

John McCain won Texas in 2008 with 697,000 votes, compared to Mike Huckabee's 518,000 votes...and RP received 66,000.

 

[TheGrinch]

I said the following in another thread...but it applies directly to the biggest three states left to vote:

In California RP got 100,000 votes in 2008, compared to John McCain and Mitt Romney...who both received more than a million votes EACH.
New York, RP only received 40,000 votes compared to John McCain's 330,000, and Mitt Romney's 178,000.

John McCain won Texas in 2008 with 697,000 votes, compared to Mike Huckabee's 518,000 votes...and RP received 66,000.

And whats your point? How is this possibly helpful to show 2008 totals that in many states we're doing exponentially better this go round.

Are all of these delegates bound? Honest question for someone who knows, because in many cases the popular vote doesn't mean squat, hence the delegate game.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

the three biggest states haven't even voted yet.
Don't listen to the media, they already chose their candidate well before this election even started. DONATE, don't wait for moneybombs or the next new fad.
If there is one thing I was taught in the army is never accept defeat and this is no different.

+1 And remember, even if we win a couple of big states at the end of the cycle then that will be more fressh in people's minds than the victories earlier in the race so we'll seem to have the momentum going into Tampa

I don't mind giving more money, but I would really like to see the campaign change the way they are spending it. At this point there should be no question about "electability", there should be a commercial out there talking about his 12 terms in the house, and the fact that the polls say he does as well as Romney against Obama. Maybe something talking about the high percentages of Independent voters he gets.
And there shouldn't be a question about his foreign policy, there should be a(nother) video showing the Veterans for Ron Paul march on the whitehouse.
I'm definitely not giving up and I'm looking to be a delegate, so I'm doing my part, but the campaign absolutely NEEDS to figure out how to reach more people. The grass roots is busting a$$ and the campaign needs to hold up their side of the bargain. Momentum IS an issue, and ours has been going steadily down because we're not pushing back on the MSM enough. When the MSM asks Dr. Paul why he's still in the race, why is he falling into their trap and answering what they asked instead of talking about the fact that he polls better against Obama than the other candidates? He's getting opportunities to talk on national TV, but he's wasting them by answering the stupid questions they ask him instead of using the opportunity to get HIS point across. The campaign really needs to step up - it's getting hard to justify giving them more money.

You know, I really thought all RP supporters were on the same page about this but I guess not.

1) Ron Paul has won many more than 50 delegates

2) IT WAS NEVER THE PLAN TO GET 1144 DELEGATES ON THE FIRST VOTE

This second point is, I think, what is confusing everyone. People, we were never going to win the nomination outright with bound delegates. The idea has always been to go to Tampa with the largest force possible, including those who are bound for other candidates, force a brokered convention, and then enact a strategy that will convince the other delegates on the floor to switch to Paul.

THIS WE CAN STILL DO AND ARE DOING.

If people actually understood this, I don't think we'd be having all this talk about losing.

As I keep saying, become a delegate for anyone, anyway, anyhow. Heck, become a delegate for Santorum if you can find a way.

YES, BECOME A DELEGATE, BE IT FOR ROMNEY, SANTORUM, GINGRICH, PAUL..........WHOEVER & you'll be able to switch to Paul later on!

 

[BuddyRey]

We lost. It shouldn't hurt to admit it, especially because we worked our fingers to the bone. But alas, it just wasn't enough this time.

 

[cindy25]

the candidate is right, the message is right, and the timing is right

but the venue is wrong

the Republican elite want big govt so they can divide the loot; Romney's shortlist-internet censor and Israeli firster Rubio; internet tax queen Nicki Haley; wall street stooge Christie.