Why is everyone acting like we lost already?

[Phyxrgon]

we havent lost as long as we go for the delegate positions, and fight for them, if and when we have to.

saying we have lost would be saying all these people trying to become paul delegates, even if they are lumped in with the other pinhead candidates on first vote, would have been for nothing, oh too bad, sorry we gave up. absolutely nothing. i am appalled at the defeatist attitude and that is exactly what the nimrod status quo want you to do: dry up ron's war chest, and go sulk like some kicked puppy because they'll keep kicking you when you BARK.

 

[cindy25]

We lost. It shouldn't hurt to admit it, especially because we worked our fingers to the bone. But alas, it just wasn't enough this time.

if we do lose we have to make damn sure Romney loses. we have to make sure every neo-con senate or house candidate loses.
better Speaker Pelosi than Speaker Boehner

 

[WeThePeople777]

We can't lose - Ron Paul's message is an uncontrollable fire.

From the great Michael Scott...

"Never, ever, ever give up"

 

[WilliamC]

I don't think we can lose.

We might lose on paper, but not on principle.

Good point, what price is the establishment willing to pay to make sure Ron Paul loses.

It is clear that there is corruption in the voting process, even if that corruption isn't 100% directed against Ron Paul and existed before his campaign.

It's just so open and obvious now, and is more exposed the more popular Ron Paul gets.

This is the ultimate question, just how far the establishment is willing to go to to gain total control over us. Personally I think there are those working to get the USA into war with Iran deliberately so as to have an excuse to clamp down on the US population even more, but I also personally believe that we have reached the tipping point in the military at least, where most of them won't follow such a plan, and in the Universities, which are turning out 10,000 large crowds for Ron Paul, and that over the next few months there will be some big changes in not just the USA but the World.

Too many people are just too aware, and becoming more so every day.

Oh, if ya'll ain't done so yet, look into tor project and set up anonymous internet services for our brothers and sisters in countries even less free than the USA. For normal browsing it's too slow for me but when I'm not using the computer I can leave it running as a relay. I'm not a hacker or computer genius but it seems legit to me...

I'm now looking at how to set up an anonymous exit bridge with services. While I've never tried to have an anonymous identity on the internet, (I assume anyone with any level of power could easily find out who I am, and I comport myself accordingly) I very much like the idea of helping other folks living under really oppressive governments having anonymous access to the web, and there's no reason I shouldn't kick in a little bit to help out.

Privacy on the web and easy access to strong encryption should be like the right to keep and carry guns or to use sound money without penalty, and seems to be an easy way of undermining the system itself by promoting such.

 

[kathy88]

We lost. It shouldn't hurt to admit it, especially because we worked our fingers to the bone. But alas, it just wasn't enough this time.

Mods, can we have a separate place for those who have given up, because they are clogging up grassroots where people have NOT.

 

[tbone717]

I think what you have here is a difference between what is possible and what is probable.

Is it possible that Ron can still win the nomination? Yes. Paul has won 26 bound delegates and there are 898 bound delegates remaining (source). At the RNC 418 delegates will be unbound. So yes, technically Paul can win if, for example, he was able to secure 100% of the unbound delegate votes and win 78% of the remaining bound delegates (there are obviously other combinations to reach 1144). However, is it probable that he can pull off a monumental, come from behind win like this? No, unless there was some major event that suddenly shifted public support away from Romney and to Paul.

The same can be said for the brokered convention. Is is mathematically possible? Yes. Again, is that probable? The same answer would apply as above. Something would need to happen that would dramatically shift support from Romney to another candidate.

But this does not mean that libertarian-conservatives need to pack their bags and go home. Even if Romney does secure the nomination on the first ballot, Paul delegates can still have a major influence on the platform and VP selection. So while the chances of Paul winning the nomination or the convention being brokered are very slim, we still can fight to have influence. If influence is important to you, then keep fighting - if not then you can pack it in and spend your time doing other things.

 

[azxd]

Reading this thread brings to mind a simple question ... If RP wins, what do others think we as a nation will actually win ?
What is the prize that ONLY one man can deliver ?

 

[tbone717]

Reading this thread brings to mind a simple question ... If RP wins, what do others think we as a nation will actually win ?
What is the prize that ONLY one man can deliver ?

The bully pulpit has some power to sway the country in one direction or another. That being said, Paul will need the support of Congress to get any agenda through. He would have to start with economic issues, since they are the most popular and work from there on others.

We'd be foolish to think that Paul winning the White House is suddenly going to undo 100 years of big government. This is a process that is going to take time, whether Paul wins or not. This is why it is so important to have libertarian-conservatives win more seats in Congress.

 

[Brett85]

Ron Paul has won 51 delegates. You need 1,144 to secure the nomination. There are 1,160 delegates remaining.

Why are people acting like Paul won't be the 2012 GOP presidential nominee? Because he would need to get 94.2% of the delegates still out there to win, and everyone knows that ain't happening. Paul is precariously close to being completely eliminated mathematically.

Thank you. It's good that at least one person here seems to have a sense of reality. The future goal of the liberty movement needs to be to get liberty oriented candidates elected to state legislatures, Congress, and eventually the Presidency. But, there's no chance whatsoever that Ron Paul will be the GOP nominee, and that's a fact. People need to accept this reality and focus on electing liberty candidates to Congress and state legislatures. Donate your money to Thomas Massie or Justin Amash. It's ridiculous to still be focusing on Ron's campaign, as if he has any chance whatsoever to win the nomination. Sorry, but that's just the obvious truth that people need to wake up to.

 

[Brett85]

I have also noticed that there is a negative atmosphere here. Almost at a point that it seems popular to say that Ron Paul isn't going to win.
We are Ron Paul supporters guys... and some of us can't even support our man?

You can support Ron Paul while still having a sense of reality.

 

[speciallyblend]

Thank you. It's good that at least one person here seems to have a sense of reality. The future goal of the liberty movement needs to be to get liberty oriented candidates elected to state legislatures, Congress, and eventually the Presidency. But, there's no chance whatsoever that Ron Paul will be the GOP nominee, and that's a fact. People need to accept this reality and focus on electing liberty candidates to Congress and state legislatures. Donate your money to Thomas Massie or Justin Amash. It's ridiculous to still be focusing on Ron's campaign, as if he has any chance whatsoever to win the nomination. Sorry, but that's just the obvious truth that people need to wake up to.

as we have a strong chance to win colorado next week! sounds like your listening to the media!

 

[Austin]

Math

Granted, losing the battle for the Republican nomination doesn't mean we've lost the war. Our numbers have increased dramatically, and our activists are more experienced than ever.

 

[hammy]

Can you dig through a mountain with a teaspoon?

I guess technically, but it's nigh impossible.

Can Ron Paul still win the republican nom?

Same principle.

Let me state first, that I will -never- stop supporting Ron Paul, both financially, sign bombs, voting, spreading the message, etc. However, we have to start getting real. The best thing we can do is push as many people to the campaign events as possible, Lord knows the media isn't saying a word about Ron Paul.

And I know no one likes to hear it (including Ron Paul, lul), but I really really really want him to run third party. If just to be able to have -one- debate of Romney vs Obama vs Paul.

Our primary goal, as I've said many many times now, should be figuring out how to destroy the MSM. It's by far the greatest enemy we are fighting.

 

[PC_for_Paul]

What most people do not understand

The real difference between the US government and the government of Syria or Egypt or any of the others is only how threatened the status quo feels. You currently feel safe and secure because the status quo still thinks you are manageable. The minute they see a real threat, they can and will roll tanks on you just like syria and egypt.

You are only as free as the status quo is safe. The very minute the status quo feels unsafe, so will you.

The question in my mind after being involved since 2007, is Ron Paul for real? Is he substance or just rhetoric? Even if he is serious about really taking power from those who have it, how much time do we have before the power is moot? Do we really have 4 or 8 more years to make these changes or will events override long term goals?

What if Ron Paul is just a safety valve for the status quo? A way to relieve pressure without the whole country blowing up? If I were the CIA working on domestic terrorism, the Ron Paul supporter list would be a gift for my efforts to indentify and locate these people.

You so much as cramp the style of the bernank and tanks will roll in the streets to cling to that power. Know what your doing and know your risk, I assure the status quo knows it's risk, and they have manged it well so far. This is a big boy game and revolution is a dangerous sport.

 

[Brett85]

as we have a strong chance to win colorado next week! sounds like your listening to the media!

No, I'm just looking at the math. The numbers don't lie. Romney will have the nomination wrapped up by the beginning of June at the latest.

 

[brushfire]

N G U N S

 

[Travlyr]

No, I'm just looking at the math. The numbers don't lie. Romney will have the nomination wrapped up by the beginning of June at the latest.

Perhaps Romney will win the GOP nomination by cheating. Cheating works, but Mitt Romney is not going to be president. If the GOP nominates Romney, then they are the "Biggest Loser."

 

[fj45lvr]

which states did Ron get the majority of votes in so far?? I haven't been following other states.

 

[amonasro]

What if Ron Paul is just a safety valve for the status quo? A way to relieve pressure without the whole country blowing up? If I were the CIA working on domestic terrorism, the Ron Paul supporter list would be a gift for my efforts to indentify and locate these people.

You so much as cramp the style of the bernank and tanks will roll in the streets to cling to that power. Know what your doing and know your risk, I assure the status quo knows it's risk, and they have manged it well so far. This is a big boy game and revolution is a dangerous sport.

The way the country was designed by the founders is one huge pressure valve for the status quo. This isn't Russia where they can just round us up and throw us in gulags. If the bankers and status quo really were as powerful as you think, wouldn't they be stopping Liberty candidates from getting into office? They're not and we're taking some of those offices quite easily. I don't believe they are as organized an diabolical as you do. Maybe in another 20, 50 years, further down the road to serfdom they might be. The fact is our country is not that old, local politics is still intact, and our liberties are not all gone yet.

 

[WilliamC]

The real difference between the US government and the government of Syria or Egypt or any of the others is only how threatened the status quo feels. You currently feel safe and secure because the status quo still thinks you are manageable. The minute they see a real threat, they can and will roll tanks on you just like syria and egypt.

You are only as free as the status quo is safe. The very minute the status quo feels unsafe, so will you.

The question in my mind after being involved since 2007, is Ron Paul for real? Is he substance or just rhetoric? Even if he is serious about really taking power from those who have it, how much time do we have before the power is moot? Do we really have 4 or 8 more years to make these changes or will events override long term goals?

What if Ron Paul is just a safety valve for the status quo? A way to relieve pressure without the whole country blowing up? If I were the CIA working on domestic terrorism, the Ron Paul supporter list would be a gift for my efforts to indentify and locate these people.

You so much as cramp the style of the bernank and tanks will roll in the streets to cling to that power. Know what your doing and know your risk, I assure the status quo knows it's risk, and they have manged it well so far. This is a big boy game and revolution is a dangerous sport.

Ron Paul is for real, and he knows the stakes should he get even more real than he lets himself.

Revolution is a young mans game, Ron Paul is 76. He's doing all he can and more, I have nothing but respect and admiration for his courage and integrity.

Prep yourself, your family, your loved ones and keep telling the truth, there's far more decent people out there than the enablers for the parasites and psychopaths, and even they are coming around to our way of thinking.

Can TPTB try to establish marshal law in the USA? Of course.

Will they succeed? Not for very long.