Why Iowa Christian Alliance - and MANY evangelicals - won't support Ron Paul

[AgentSmith]

You are dead on. These people are simply insane.

 

[LibertyBelle]

In my mind, the overt and fundamental religious mindset is one of utter darkness. The only true evil I can think of is an organization or philosophy that seeks, as it's ultimate goal, to crush the rational mind. These religious organizations, so hellbent on end times theology are obsessed with death and therefore no more than cults of death. What else could it be to want death so badly, or to hate life on earth so much? Are they not worshipping death by praying for the end of life on earth? If that's what you want, then get on with it I say. The rest of us want to live.

Bravo, bravo, bravo Andrew! They aren't afraid of death, they are afraid of earthly life! It's sad though, to be so miserable you can't wait to die. When you are taught you are born bad, bad, bad, and made to feel so utterly guilty about your own existence....

Religion purposely mixed good with bad, lies with truth, to confuse the hell out of people, which makes them easy to control. This pastor told me that when the Bible says one thing, and then later says the exact opposite, you have to believe both! I literally said to him, sorry, I am not a sheep you can herd into your brainwashed mindset and then suck money out of me. He couldn't believe someone stood up to him! The look on his face was priceless. The leaders of religion are charlatans, always have been. They know exactly what they are doing.

 

[tsoldrin]

Here's the evangelical's dillema... I think deep down... the thinking ones know that they are being used by the elite... the fake conservatives ... and will eventually be kicked to the curb.... but what choice do they have? They are terrified of breaking up their base and losing any semblance of power in the fragmentation... and really, rightfully so. Find a way to insure that they will always have a voice and will always be able to have their concerns heard and at least have the possibility of affecting public policy and you find a way to capture that respectably sized voting bloc.

 

[Brandybuck]

I don't think that this kind of thinking is in the majority of Christians. Yes, Robertson and Kennedy preach it, and they're pretty loud. But they aren't the spokesmen for American Christianity.

Believing in a literal rapture that will occur before the tribulation does NOT mean that you should strive to hasten the tribulation. It does not mean you replace God with Caesar. It does not mean you go to war with Islam. In addition, believing that Israel is God's chosen people does NOT mean you must unquestioningly support everything the government of Israel does.

 

[theknightshift]

Here's the evangelical's dillema... I think deep down... the thinking ones know that they are being used by the elite... the fake conservatives ... and will eventually be kicked to the curb.... but what choice do they have? They are terrified of breaking up their base and losing any semblance of power in the fragmentation... and really, rightfully so. Find a way to insure that they will always have a voice and will always be able to have their concerns heard and at least have the possibility of affecting public policy and you find a way to capture that respectably sized voting bloc.

The political equivalent of "battered spouse syndrome".

The GOP elites are the cruel husband telling the poor wife "Where else are you gonna go? Who else is going to take you?" And just like her, the evangelicals go right back to the Republicans for more abuse and neglect.

 

[V-rod]

bah, let these Sheeple drone evangelicals split their vote among Romney and Thompson. Split the 9/11 fear monger's vote, and Ron Paul will pick up the pieces among the conservative-minded, liberal anti war people, the thoughtful-minded, fiscal conservatives, and the old timers who would like a return to the good old values!

 

[NewEnd]

I tried to warn my right wing family that America is much more atheist and shallow than they think, and that a strong violent backlash may be on the horizon, call it a tribulation or whatever you want... the left is getting very powerful, and they are not that happy with christians.

I have asked them soemtimes, "doesnt it bother you that it seems George Bush is accelerating the apocalypse" and they reply with something akin to "thats the way God said it would be"

Its like if the anti-christ declared itself tomorrow, they would vote for it, just because it was fulfilling god's will.

 

[austin356]

Well I am an evangelical Christian who actually believes in much or most of what they say. But, that being said, I find their transfer of theology around events of which time only God knows, to political warfare to be the greatest abomination in Christianity since the Crusades.

God says in the old Testament that he will super naturally protect the nation of Israel from the Persians/Russians who will invade during the "last days". If you really trust and believe your God then why do not do just that? He says they will be protected. He implies Israel will not be nuked. So if that is the case then why does America need to go out and preemptively prevent such from happening, since it will never happen? So I really think there are greater motives behind the movement. Followers have been led astray by big government, satanists who do not seek Godliness, but rather power, and through loyal, blind, and gullible Christians they have found their means.

The question I like to ask to Christians is "Would Jesus command war on a nation that has done no harm to us?" "Would he enact policies that kill two million people in Iraq in the last 20 years?" "all b/c he wants to push-along his fathers plan?"

I dare say he rather wait a million years than sacrifice one life in order to "speed things up" (of which is an blasphemous comment in the first place)

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why Do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul?

by Pastor Chuck Baldwin

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070227.html

 

[LibertyEagle]

My sister is at church at least 3 times a week. Her big issue is defending Israel. God's chosen people....

I'm sure she'll vote for Ron Paul though, as she was practically raised hearing about him, just like I was. My mother was a huge fan of our wonderful Doctor Paul.

 

[austin356]

I tried to warn my right wing family that America is much more atheist and shallow than they think, and that a strong violent backlash may be on the horizon, call it a tribulation or whatever you want... the left is getting very powerful, and they are not that happy with christians.

I have asked them soemtimes, "doesnt it bother you that it seems George Bush is accelerating the apocalypse" and they reply with something akin to "thats the way God said it would be"

Its like if the anti-christ declared itself tomorrow, they would vote for it, just because it was fulfilling god's will.

I know exactly what you mean. But luckily my family is changing. The wool has been removed from my father's eyes and he is coming around to my side.


My understanding of God's will is not for me to "make earthly plans for Jesus' return", but rather bring about as many followers who choose to do so voluntarily, before such return.

Also the other side of this is the Christians aligning themselves with and ideology that is absolute and pure evil at its base. Me, I rather die right this moment than live a single day submitting to evil.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The political equivalent of "battered spouse syndrome".

The GOP elites are the cruel husband telling the poor wife "Where else are you gonna go? Who else is going to take you?" And just like her, the evangelicals go right back to the Republicans for more abuse and neglect.

I think this is absolutely true. They create this false dichotomy that the only choices are the neocons and the liberals. The likes of Hannity scares people about changing parties by pointing at Hillary. I don't understand why it's so hard for those conservatives still left in the Republican Party, to STOP and think of their conservative principles, because those principles have absolutely nothing to do with neoconservatism. It's like they've taken complete leave of their senses.

 

[RJB]

on a "conservative forum" I finally explained that I'm against all forms of Hillary, the blond witch senator from NY, the cross-dressing NY Mayor Hillary, The Hillary from MA who flipflops, but has a winning smile or the Hillary from AZ who wants to open our borders.

 

[tnvoter]

I'm a christian, who believes in the rapture, and I support Ron Paul 105%. tyvm.

Please don't generalize people like this,
You don't like people saying Ron Paul blames the US for 9/11 (nor do I), so please don't do the same to rapture-believing christians because of GoP leadership failures on political forums.

<3.

 

[LibertyEagle]

tnvoter..

Who are you directing that to?

 

[oldpaths1611]

I just called Steve Scheffler, the president of Iowa Christian Alliance. Before I could even get a single word out he very angrily told me to stop calling him (it was my first call). He said he's trying to get rid of all the "stupid voice mail and emails from people like you." Then he said "don't call me anymore," and hung up. Sounds like Ron Paul supporters are doing their job and Mr. Scheffler is feeling the heat. His contact info is below. Keep up the "stupid voice mail and emails." Don't lay off these people until Dr. Paul gets a fair deal from them.



Steve Scheffler, President
Iowa Christian Alliance
515-225-1515
(If no luck, try 515-971-7363)
515-225-1826 (fax)
[email protected]

 

[LibertyEagle]

He sounds mentally unstable to me.

 

[mrapathy]

I just called Steve Scheffler, the president of Iowa Christian Alliance. Before I could even get a single word out he very angrily told me to stop calling him (it was my first call). He said he's trying to get rid of all the "stupid voice mail and emails from people like you." Then he said "don't call me anymore," and hung up. Sounds like Ron Paul supporters are doing their job and Mr. Scheffler is feeling the heat. His contact info is below. Keep up the "stupid voice mail and emails." Don't lay off these people until Dr. Paul gets a fair deal from them.



Steve Scheffler, President
Iowa Christian Alliance
515-225-1515
(If no luck, try 515-971-7363)
515-225-1826 (fax)
[email protected]

perhaps a new thread is needed asking for a change in messages sent.
keep it simple and short.

Sir you can end the calls and emails all you have to do is invite Congressmen Ron Paul to the debate

 

[dspectre]

No you can't do that....that sounds like you are threatening him. It is his choice to not allow RP in the forum.

You have to get a justification why he isn't doing it. If he says because RP doesn't like our current policy in the Mid-East or something, then he has the right to do that. Otherwise he is just being dishonest.

Besides, if he said explicitly yes we want to be aggressive in the Mid-East, do you think RP would even want to be associated with that type of forum?

 

[dspectre]

perhaps a new thread is needed asking for a change in messages sent.
keep it simple and short.

Sir you can end the calls and emails all you have to do is invite Congressmen Ron Paul to the debate

No you can't do that....that sounds like you are threatening him. It is his choice to not allow RP in the forum.

You have to get a justification why he isn't doing it. If he says because RP doesn't like our current policy in the Mid-East or something, then he has the right to do that. Otherwise he is just being dishonest.

Besides, if he said explicitly yes we want to be aggressive in the Mid-East, do you think RP would even want to be associated with that type of forum?