Why Iowa Christian Alliance - and MANY evangelicals - won't support Ron Paul

[fedup100]

You can thank Joseph Farah at world net daily for this. Most Christians, and I am a Christian, don't think for them selves.

That is why WND hit piece was so BAD, and old Joe knew the effect it would have and timed it perfectly.

The Bible says that the end times, even the very elect would be deceived. I think we are seeing that now.

Promise me folks, those of you that are young, I may not live to see it, but when you win, take down every MSM traitor in the country and put them on latrene duty for the rest of their life.

 

[mconder]

I think many Mormon (LDS) people might erringly be in a similar mindset as well, as if it's alright to sit back and watch the world go mad because it's a pre-condition of the second coming of Christ. I can tell you the LDS church does not teach this attitude, but it exsists among the general membership. I really don't get it.

 

[wwycher]

I don't think they realize the ramifications of excluding Dr. Paul from these debates.
They think that they are just going to silence him and us? Maybe before we had the internet and had only 3 or 4 tv channels. I think they are delusional if they think this will go well for them. I say lets lay some peaceful revolution on em'.

 

[theknightshift]

If you want some absolutely brilliant Christian theology, I would recommend anything by Stanley Hauerwas, particularly "Unleashing the Scripture: Freeing the Bible from Captivity to America".

Hauerwas is a professor of law and ethics at Duke. We studied his ideas when I was a student at a neighboring college (he came to speak with us one day and I got him to sign my copy of "Unleashing the Scripture": he wrote "Thanks for taking this seriously" ) Very interesting guy. He said something a few years ago that encapsulates perfectly my philosophy about Christianity and politics:

"Let me be as clear as I can be: the God of 'God and country' is not the God of Jesus Christ." -- Stanley Hauerwas

Like I said, very good reading if you want a dire alternative to the brand of "Christianity" preached by Dominionism.

It's really very simple: if we are humble, if we do things for Christ for His sake instead of for power's sake, things *will* get better. All it takes is a measure of faith.

 

[ThePieSwindler]

All you have to show them is in revelation, that the AntiChrist will come to power, the false, weakminded christians will follow him, and peace will ensue. THEN the war in the middle east will commence. There is no way humans can expedite it, unless of course you're the anti-christ.

Not that i'm saying any of it will come to pass, just what you tell them from a biblical standpoint, since they will simply dismiss a secular arguement.

 

[briatx]

Excellent post knightshift!

I've been suspecting for a while if there was an active element of Christians trying to fulfill "prophecy" and bring about the end of the world. Your post seems to name and confirm it.

I can't imagine a more sadistic goal.

Thanks for the post, I want to look more into this.

 

[CJLauderdale4]

All you have to show them is in revelation, that the AntiChrist will come to power, the false, weakminded christians will follow him, and peace will ensue. THEN the war in the middle east will commence. There is no way humans can expedite it, unless of course you're the anti-christ.

Not that i'm saying any of it will come to pass, just what you tell them from a biblical standpoint, since they will simply dismiss a secular arguement.

What's sad is that the majority of Christians, at least the ones I know from church, do not think things through. They simply follow the FauxNews talking points.

They follow what the mainstream conservative media tells them, over, and over, and over....(I believe Rage Against The Machine's term was "Bullet in the head!")

The mainstream secular conservative movement has taken over the evangelical Christian minds from any political free-thought, and in the name of Jesus Christ. It is sad. I see it everytime I talk to people at church. They are in absolute fear of Islam. The fearmongering since 9/11 has worked on almost all evangelical Christians, and pastors, some I know personally, cannot speak out on it due to the IRS.

 

[Andrew76]

I'd like to recommend some books, particularly to the christians here. I myself was baptized and raised a methodist, and was highly active in the church for a while, even did some mission work. I've since changed my mind.

First and foremost: "The Age of Reason," by Thomas Paine. I cannot recommend it enough. If you want to understand the "religious," mentality of our enlightenment era founding fathers, no other book comes close, in my opinion. It may just change your life.

Another two, off the top of my head would be "The Handmaid's Tale," by Margaret Atwood - a blazingly great work of fiction, wherein America has been taken over by an dominionist/evangelist coup, and the horrors that would likely ensue are detailed. Also, the late Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World," is another amazing, perhaps life changing book. I sincerely hope some of you give these recommendations a chance.

In my mind, the overt and fundamental religious mindset is one of utter darkness. The only true evil I can think of is an organization or philosophy that seeks, as it's ultimate goal, to crush the rational mind. These religious organizations, so hellbent on end times theology are obsessed with death and therefore no more than cults of death. What else could it be to want death so badly, or to hate life on earth so much? Are they not worshipping death by praying for the end of life on earth? If that's what you want, then get on with it I say. The rest of us want to live.

 

[ForLibertyFight]

freckin religion

im a atheist and this is why i dont believe in religion. religions preach about forgiving and love but the followers dont practice what they preach.

 

[maggiebott]

Yep

I too am an atheist and prefer to think for myself. I would rather have my own set of morals than any of the jibberish that is associated with religions.

I see them all as mind control.

 

[DjLoTi]

I'm not atheist, but personally spiritual. I always had trouble in church. Many times I felt like walking out, because I was so outraged that we (people in church) were supposed to listen to this crap that people say. Really bad, degrading stuff in an oh-so-subtle way. Some people just follow anything.. It seems rather prevalent in some religious organizations.

 

[tsoldrin]

Just pointing out... none of the actual elite, the people with power, believe in any of this end of the world nonsense. They simply mouth the right words to get the votes. The real reason behind all the military adventurism is simple... money and power. This is why you see many evangelical supporters rewarded with positions in the adminstration... but only in non-policy making positions. The power positions are all held by people with allegience to corporate and foreign interests which align with the neocon agenda... i.e. Big Oil, Big Defense/Military, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Original_Intent]

I think many Mormon (LDS) people might erringly be in a similar mindset as well, as if it's alright to sit back and watch the world go mad because it's a pre-condition of the second coming of Christ. I can tell you the LDS church does not teach this attitude, but it exsists among the general membership. I really don't get it.

Yes as a fellow Mormon I 100% agree.

I also think many Mormon's are overly concerned with appearing mainstream, and see getting a Mormon elected as a way to show that we are a mainstream religion.

I also think some people think that Mitt getting elected will be a huge missionary tool and raise interest in the church. "The ends justify the means".

I am appalled at the overwhelming support of Romney here in Utah. Granted, some of that is due to him saving the SLC Olympics, which I think he probably did. But too many see "fellow Mormon" and knee-jerk support him rather than selecting a candidate who is most in line with LDS principles - and yes without a doubt that candidate is Ron Paul.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

Thanks to the OP for posting that explanation. Personally I've only had a vague idea of what those people were thinking. Now I know.

That also explains A LOT about Bush Junior who always just seemed slightly psychotic to me. Isn't he supposedly one of those categories or at least plays up to them like he is one of them?

Does Bush think he's anointed to bring in the rapture or whatever is next?

If he does he won't have any problem canceling the next election, nuking Iran and who knows what else.

 

[briatx]

No, of course the elite don't buy it. But can you think of a better way to conquer the world than to create religious prophecy that states the world must be conquered before the messiah returns?

This is mainly about global empire. The religious stuff is for cover and brainwashing.

 

[theknightshift]

Just pointing out... none of the actual elite, the people with power, believe in any of this end of the world nonsense. They simply mouth the right words to get the votes. The real reason behind all the military adventurism is simple... money and power. This is why you see many evangelical supporters rewarded with positions in the adminstration... but only in non-policy making positions. The power positions are all held by people with allegience to corporate and foreign interests which align with the neocon agenda... i.e. Big Oil, Big Defense/Military, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Yep.

The evangelicals are actually rather derided and sneered upon by the elites: the people like Bush and Cheney and Rove. If the bigwigs could easily get by without support from the conservative Christians, they would gladly ditch them. But the evangelicals have the benefit of (a) being easily duped and (b) possessing large numbers of votes.

And as I said earlier: this working toward seizing power is a gradual process, and one that they have labored toward for years. I have actually spoken with parents who homeschool their children and they will admit that it's not so much for the kids' sake, but that the kids are shaped and molded to become the "soldiers" (their word, not mine) that will reclaim America for God.

(My wife and I have decided we will homeschool our children too if/when God gives us any, but it assuredly will NOT be to stamp out little troopers for "the cause".)

These kinds of people are not going to take to the truth - that they have been used and abused by party elitists for decades - very well. Most of them will retreat into denial. They will continue to parrot and bolster their party line that much harder. They will believe that they are being "good faithful Christians" because they are voting straight Republican.

But as soon as the big interests have all the power that they will ever need, the evangelicals will be kicked to the curb. And a lot of them will still be wondering "why?" right up to the moment when they are marched against the wall (figuratively speaking 'course).

 

[LibertyBelle]

You can't find the word rapture in the Bible, certain phrases were twisted and then applied to the 'Rapture'. The problem is, so many Christians go along with what their pastors and leaders tell them and don't do any true independent studies of their own. If they only knew how brainwashed they are. For those that wake up, how many of them won't talk to others about it for fear of being ostracized? Acceptance instead of individuality has become the hallmark of so many Christians, as well as the general population. Going along with the crowd or be ostracized, which is a way to organize people into a socialist mindset. Group think.

Funny that these Christians are adamantly supportive of a group of people who reject their saviour, while others are outright rejected. Muslims rejected....Jews not. Weird. Brainwashing at it's best. So yes, the NWO is responsible. The Muslims are the biggest advocates in the world against usury and allowing foreign companies on their soil...they are a huge obstacle to the goals of the sociopaths.

The biggest problem....Christians in general have been taught to obey 'authority', so they rarely question what has been promoted as 'authority', the state. Going against the state has been made to be equivalent to going against God. Exactly, 'God and country' is really 'The Government and country'. This goes for many in the general population who can't separate the gov't from themselves, "My country right or wrong." Sheesh, this mindset has been what has gotten us into trouble. It is actually an excuse for laziness, complacency, and lack of courage.





As for this pushing of an 'Apocalypse', there is a definite psychological

 

[sunny]

thanks knightshift for bringing up this topic!
What passes for christianity today of the masses is delusional. the rapture theory is indeed a bunch of malarkey.
how many so called christians who go to church on sunday (scripture tells us the sabbath is saturday) actually pick up a bible inbetween services. probably not many. most settle for a "selected interpretation" of the chosen scripture topic for that sunday from the pastor or priest. i think the general feeling is "good , i went to church or service this week so i am a good person."
and while i'm on the topic - what does faith have to do with religion? - religion is man made......it's a tool to control the masses (milton william cooper) and i totally agree - religion GETS IN THE WAY of faith.
faith is faith - nothing more or less - it's not seeing is believing or anything of that nature.

as to what you said i do agree......all the falwell's and robertson's and graham's out there will pay the price on the day of judgement. i know graham (is he still alive - is/was CFR) - the rest are probably too......

well that's my two cents worth!

 

[Thor]

Thanks for the post knightshift. Very well written and enlightening.

I think they do hold a large number of votes, however, it is because a much, much higher percent of them vote. Their preacher tells them to go vote (and who to vote for) on Sunday, and they all go on Tuesday like good little followers and do just that.

I think the rest of America could easily displace their votes, if the rest of America would actual go and vote; but many do not...

It is scary how "christian" values have been warped to the point of being the aggressor to "hurry up" the end times. They all fear the "mark of the beast", but that is exactly what they are going to get right after National ID's. And maybe that is their plan, to speed it up....

They are followers of a wolf in sheeps' clothing. Such a shame.

How depressing and frustrating.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Most Christians, and I am a Christian, don't think for them selves.

Most PEOPLE don't think for themselves.

It is not, in my opinion, a condition that affects Christians disproportionately.

I look around and see nearly everyone letting someone else tell them what to think, and a few misguided souls who believe they're thinking for themselves but are in fact swallowing some obscure dogma of someone else's hook, line and sinker.

The true independent thinker is very, very rare.