Why does the US love Israel?

[William R]

Western Civilization. Used to be a staple in High School and part of every degree path at the best Universities in the country.

Christianity built Western Civilization.

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/0895260387


http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/miarticle.htm?id=7713#.UHj8cFGHH50

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Western Civilization. Used to be a staple in High School and part of every degree path at the best Universities in the country.

Christianity built Western Civilization.

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/0895260387


http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/miarticle.htm?id=7713#.UHj8cFGHH50

I haven't read the book, but IMO it's more accurate to say that the Romans built Western Civilization and Christianity was critically important to Roman culture from Constantine forward. The Romans were the first imperialists who were more interested in spreading Roman culture and general "Romanism" to conquered territories than simply dominating them. I'll consider the evidence in the book when I get a chance to read it and may change my mind.

 

[puppetmaster]

Ask them to show you where.

I know that book. It is not in there.
But there is a lot of stuff in there those same folks don't want to look at.

OK I will.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Here's the thing. If you start going down this path, you will appear to look anti-semitic. It leads you into thinking all these weird conspiracies about "jews". Regardless of the validity of any of these conspiracies, simply the public shaming will prevent you from questioning our relationship with Israel. It would be political sucide if a politician did this.

Again, I don't think it matters if any of you suscribe to conspiracy theories, what matters is that they are allowed to exist. The mere fact that people are afraid to ask certain questions tells you there is something wrong with our society. Government, the State, THRIVES in this environment.

Because of the legacy of WWII, people are afraid to appear anti-semitic. It leads politicians to go overboard in the opposite direction. They have to out-support-Israel the next guy. You don't have to believe any conspiracy theories to believe that. It's a naturally occurring problem in human nature. This problem of human nature has been been on overdrive since WWII. Curious... Isn't this about the same time the ideas of Liberty started to vanish?

(By the way, if you're interested, this is also why Hitler truly was an agent of the devil. Think about this. Think about the Bastiat quote in my sig.)

I wonder how much of it is buried in our collective national pysche for building the nation of Israel for what happened in WWII. I wonder if it was to help socially reconstruct Germany by having Jewish people construct Israel? Could they have rebuilt Germany living together after what happened in WWII? I doubt it? Also, the fact that oil was discovered in the region in the 1930's-1940's allowed the U.S. a foothold in the region. Prior to all that it was Palastine administered by Britian. (see The British Mandate)

 

[Republicanguy]

That is why I don't do religion or god, it's dangerous, it oppresses women and gives men all the power.

Cults, fanatics.

Quite sad really.

Today it is all about oil, well it has always been about crude oil.

 

[truelies]

I'm serious now. Like many of you, I'm pretty well-informed on major political issues, but I have never understood this one. Why do the 2 parties compete for who loves Israel more? Why is that country chosen as our ally by politicians and why does much of our middle-east foreign policy focus around protecting them? (The most obvious example being "we can't let Iran research nuclear technology or else they might threaten poor Israel, who by the way already has nukes")

Of course, politicians are spineless and, while I don't know their exact reasoning, it is probably easy to find. The more important question to be is: why do so many Americans buy this? What do THEY have invested into an arbitrary middle-eastern country?

Its pretty simple- USA politicians are dependent on jewish money and the votes of dispensanional xian cultists.

 

[furface]

US politicians love Israel because we let them get away with it. There are plenty of Congressional candidate forums to take place before the election. Show up and question them about Israel 1st support.

Some issues to bring up:

1. Shouldn't we just disengage from the conflict completely? Get rid of all foreign aid for everybody in that region? What do we gain by continuing our involvement?

2. Doesn't the Palestinian struggle seem much more like our own nation's original local struggle against foreign control than does the Zionist notion of global control?

3. Israel fundamentally violates our own notion of basic human liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Today it is all about oil, well it has always been about crude oil.

If it is about crude oil, how come my gas was almost 5 dollar/gallon in California? lol. Trillions spent and millions of lives ruined. If their goal has always been oil, they are doing a bad job, holding off on the oil, or not selling oil to USA. A single refinery was shut down for a few days, but I doubt that would increase prices so drastically that I have to wait 30minutes in line to get gas from Costco.

 

[QuickZ06]

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

 

[QuickZ06]

If it is about crude oil, how come my gas was almost 5 dollar/gallon in California? lol. Trillions spent and millions of lives ruined. If their goal has always been oil, they are doing a bad job, holding off on the oil, or not selling oil to USA. A single refinery was shut down for a few days, but I doubt that would increase prices so drastically that I have to wait 30minutes in line to get gas from Costco.

And yet look at the outrage. But these very people scream for more war yet fail to see what gas would do when certain key areas get shutdown. I cannot imagine $10 gas but I know its coming and masses will riot and steal anyways necessary.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If it is about crude oil, how come my gas was almost 5 dollar/gallon in California? lol. Trillions spent and millions of lives ruined. If their goal has always been oil, they are doing a bad job, holding off on the oil, or not selling oil to USA. A single refinery was shut down for a few days, but I doubt that would increase prices so drastically that I have to wait 30minutes in line to get gas from Costco.

Inflation. If our money was sound, your gas would be a dime/gallon. Till the money printing and out of control spending stops, you can expect spiraling and unstable prices.

 

[DFF]

Here's the thing. If you start going down this path, you will appear to look anti-semitic. It leads you into thinking all these weird conspiracies about "jews". Regardless of the validity of any of these conspiracies, simply the public shaming will prevent you from questioning our relationship with Israel. It would be political sucide if a politician did this.

Again, I don't think it matters if any of you suscribe to conspiracy theories, what matters is that they are allowed to exist. The mere fact that people are afraid to ask certain questions tells you there is something wrong with our society. Government, the State, THRIVES in this environment.

Because of the legacy of WWII, people are afraid to appear anti-semitic.

Yeah, they've been brainwashed by a bunch of liberal marxist zionists and their gentile cohorts who through the media and academia have gained control of the minds of the vast majority of the population. Terms like "anti-semitic" "racist" "extremist" "fringe." All these buzzwords are straight out of the Frankfurt school, and are designed and used to paralyze and keep the man on the street towing the line, fearful of questioning or challenging the establishment. Orwell was right about words being important. In the wrong hands, they can do a lot of harm.

 

[thequietkid10]

I've had this experience too. The mainstream protestant types I've met and/or listened to clearly have no idea what the bible actually says and what it means. Less so with Catholics and Orthodox. I don't know any atheist Israel-firsters or Zionists, but they probably exist.

When I was about 12 or 13, I thought I was going to be good little Christian and actually read the bible from cover to cover. I started reading and got to about Leviticus. I couldn't stand any more of it. What I was reading in the bible and what Church is, is so different. It was the first fracture of my faith, and the start of my road towards agnosticism.

 

[James Madison]

When I was about 12 or 13, I thought I was going to be good little Christian and actually read the bible from cover to cover. I started reading and got to about Leviticus. I couldn't stand any more of it. What I was reading in the bible and what Church is, is so different. It was the first fracture of my faith, and the start of my road towards agnosticism.

Ehh, most of the Levitican laws made some form of sense 4,000 years ago. Not eating pork, removal of the foreskin, purity laws, had their benefits for a society that possessed zero knowledge of basic science. A lot of people in the West today are so far removed from how our species lived for 99% of its existance. Things were hard; sometimes you had to resort to drastic measures in order to survive. I feel that God knew humanity would one day possess the knowledge to render such laws obsolete.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Ehh, most of the Levitican laws made some form of sense 4,000 years ago. Not eating pork, removal of the foreskin, purity laws, had their benefits for a society that possessed zero knowledge of basic science. A lot of people in the West today are so far removed from how our species lived for 99% of its existance. Things were hard; sometimes you had to resort to drastic measures in order to survive. I feel that God knew humanity would one day possess the knowledge to render such laws obsolete.

The ancient circumcision rite was about ethnic identity, not hygiene. (and still is) It's something the semites did to distinguish themselves from others in the ancient near East.

 

[James Madison]

The ancient circumcision rite was about ethnic identity, not hygiene. (and still is)

I don't think that's the case. Circumcision had as much medical importance as it did religious. Note how the New Testament treats physical circumcision with spiritual circumcision; it wasn't needed but was still a good thing to do because it demonstrated one's devotion to God.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't think that's the case. Circumcision had as much medical importance as it did religious. Note how the New Testament treats physical circumcision with spiritual circumcision; it wasn't needed but was still a good thing to do because it demonstrated one's devotion to God.

You'd be mistaken. The ancient literature and history shows otherwise.

"The Hebrew expression for 'covenant making' is c'rat berit, literally 'to cut a covenant', as in the English idiom 'to cut a deal.' The 'sign of the covenant' is circumcision, a ceremony even today in Judaism known as Berit (Bris, in Eastern European pronunciation), Milah, 'covenant of circumcision', or simply Berit." ~Amy Jill-Levine, Lecture 10, "The Old Testament", "Covenant and Law, Part I (Exodus 19-40, Leviticus, Deutoronomy). It's simply a rite of the Semitic cult (as far as anyone can prove).

 

[James Madison]

You'd be mistaken. The ancient literature and history shows otherwise.

"The Hebrew expression for 'covenant making' is c'rat berit, literally 'to cut a covenant', as in the English idiom 'to cut a deal.' The 'sign of the covenant' is circumcision, a ceremony even today in Judaism known as Berit (Bris, in Eastern European pronunciation), Milah, 'covenant of circumcision', or simply Berit." ~Amy Jill-Levine, Lecture 10, "The Old Testament", "Covenant and Law, Part I (Exodus 19-40, Leviticus, Deutoronomy). It's simply a rite of the Semitic cult (as far as anyone can prove).

No, I got that part. Just as not eating pork and purity laws were a rite of Semitic cult. Only upon further inspection with a firm understanding of science can we see an additional benefit to these laws, which those in Biblical Times would have had no awareness of.

 

[Mundane]

I don't think that's the case. Circumcision had as much medical importance as it did religious. Note how the New Testament treats physical circumcision with spiritual circumcision; it wasn't needed but was still a good thing to do because it demonstrated one's devotion to God.

There is an interesting Harvard lecture on Hebrew Scriptures regarding circumcision you can download on ITunes U with Professor Shaye Cohen. It doesn't support the medical/hygiene claim.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I've had this experience too. The mainstream protestant types I've met and/or listened to clearly have no idea what the bible actually says and what it means. Less so with Catholics and Orthodox. I don't know any atheist Israel-firsters or Zionists, but they probably exist.

Yes, they do. They just interpret it differently than you do.