why do both the Libertarian and Constitutionists parties exist?

[acptulsa]

That is my point. No one truly knows God's will.

Thank you for not claiming to be omnipotent and/or falsely posing as a prophet! We appreciate you very much!

 

[Kalifornia]

If you are a libertarian who doesn't think burning at the stake for "impure" thoughts is a good idea, you probably belong in the Libertarian Party.

Unless of course you believe in protecting U.S. sovereignty and nationhood, or seek limits on trade with nations who do not engage in fully free trade, or are not a complete anarcho-capitalist, in which case, you probably dont.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

why does any party exist? because someone has an ego trip and wants CONTROL.

HAHAHAH, how true is that?

 

[Ron LOL]

you don't have a say if you aren't an active member of the LP.

You, personally, and all of your little "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR LIBERTY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR" clones are why we'll never have someone like Ron Paul for president. It has nothing to do with media bias or some kind of plot by The Man to keep Ron Paul down -- Ron Paul's ideas transcend that stuff. Which is fine. If the media won't give us an outlet, we'll make our own. But there's one small problem! "It's the supporters, stupid." You are fundamentally incapable of expressing even the simplest thought without putting someone down. Awesome.

I'm so turned off to this whole movement now because of loudmouth doofuses like you utterly ruining things. You are, IMO, worse than any "neo-con." Because while they merely steer our country astray for fun and profit, you actively poison people's minds to things like personal liberty and national sovereignty. Are you by chance that weird uncle nobody wants to invite to family functions?

I was totally psyched up by this Ron Paul republicanism stuff, too. So if you can turn someone like ME off, just imagine what the average voter must think of you. Yup, you.

I'm no fairweather fan; I'll continue to vote for good folks. But going out and campaigning is a waste of my time and money with idiots like you around "helping out." With "friends" like you, who needs enemies.

To be succinct, then: [Redacted by Mod].

Why don't you go find a deserted island somewhere to go live out the rest of your days? Somehow I get the impression you'd be only too happy to do so.

If you and those like you could just put a cap on your collective vitriolic bloviating, this movement might have a fighting chance.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I support the party which honors our Constitution, not libertinism.

"libertine practices or habits of life; disregard of authority or convention in sexual or religious matters. "

That definition is refering to a philosophy that an individual holds to himself.

You can't use that word when refering to libertarianism, because libertarianism is a philosphy meant to apply to all of society and our government. Its not the same thing. A libertarian is not neccessarily a libertine.

Libertine:

Libertine has come to mean one devoid of any restraints, especially one who ignores or even spurns religious norms, accepted morals, and forms of behaviour sanctioned by the larger society. The philosophy gained new-found adherents in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, particularly in France and Britain. Notable among these were John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester, and the Marquis de Sade. "Libertine", like many words, is an evolving one, defined today as "a dissolute person; usually a person who is morally unrestrained".

Its really not surpising you would use this definition when refering to libertarianism to obfuscate things. Hey man, sorry I don't believe things such as rights, morality, law, etc are completely baseless when not refering to a diety like you.

 

[TurtleBurger]

If you are a "libertarian" who thinks the Inquisition was a good idea, you probably would prefer the CP.

I'm a CP person then! I think the Inquisition got a bad rap. As far as I'm concerned, if you are going to burn anyone at the stake it should be folks who killed priests, raped nuns, and burned down churches with their congregations in them (as the "heretics" were known to do). The problem is people nowadays think of heretics as hippies sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya, and then are horrified how they were treated. The fact is, a lot of these people got what they had coming to them, and actually got treated a lot better by the Church than they would have by the Spanish secular government.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Then you're not a true American, in my opinion.

HAHAHAHAHA, "true American." That's doesn't make any sense. If you are born in America, you're an American. How can that be fake?

 

[hypnagogue]

Stuff

I really do understand your sentiments. I want to point out though, this is the internet. I've done some active campaigning in my area and none of the people I've met are nearly so condescending. Remember, the internet turns normal people into assholes.

 

[mediahasyou]

Constitution party is the pro life libertarian party.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Constitution party is the pro life libertarian party.

that believes in protectionism and outlawing pornography. oh yea

 

[familydog]

that believes in protectionism and outlawing pornography. oh yea

The Libertarian nominee is a protectionist. I'm willing to bet the party will fall in line accordingly.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

The Libertarian nominee is a protectionist. I'm willing to bet the party will fall in line accordingly.

Don't bother posting your outdated article bullshit anymore, protectionist. tool

 

[RoamZero]

If they want to make an impact both parties need to dissolve into the Republican party and fight to change it from within on a common platform. Otherwise they're both forever doomed to be protest-vote parties.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

If they want to make an impact both parties need to dissolve into the Republican party and fight to change it from within on a common platform. Otherwise they're both forever doomed to be protest-vote parties.

that's pretty ignorant. mass exodus to a prowar party? haha

 

[libertarian4321]

Unless of course you believe in protecting U.S. sovereignty and nationhood, or seek limits on trade with nations who do not engage in fully free trade, or are not a complete anarcho-capitalist, in which case, you probably dont.

I'm not sure what you are referring to. The Libertarian Party stands for "nationhood" and a strong defense.

It does not, however, advocate pointless wars of aggression (e.g. Iraq).

FYI, I'm a 27-year Army veteran and a long time Libertarian.

 

[familydog]

Don't bother posting your outdated article bullshit anymore, protectionist. tool

I'm not a protectionist. This goes to show once again you really have no idea what you are talking about. You've embarassed yourself here one too many times. I have yet to hear Bob Barr "convert" on those issues. He is, therefore a protectionist.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm not a protectionist. This goes to show once again you really have no idea what you are talking about. You've embarassed yourself here one too many times. I have yet to hear Bob Barr "convert" on those issues. He is, therefore a protectionist.

You're a protectonist if you support Baldwin haha

 

[familydog]

You're a protectonist if you support Baldwin haha

You don't deny your nominee is a protectionist? Like I said, if Barr is any sort of a success in the fall, you will see the party change gradually to look more conservative and less libertarian.

For the record, I'm writing in Ron Paul. Your argument fails. Try again.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You don't deny your nominee is a protectionist? Like I said, if Barr is any sort of a success in the fall, you will see the party change gradually to look more conservative and less libertarian.

For the record, I'm writing in Ron Paul. Your argument fails. Try again.

More conservative? Kind of hard when the party is called the LIBERTARIAN party

 

[Theocrat]

Libertarianism is Not Libertinism

"libertine practices or habits of life; disregard of authority or convention in sexual or religious matters. "

That definition is refering to a philosophy that an individual holds to himself.

You can't use that word when refering to libertarianism, because libertarianism is a philosphy meant to apply to all of society and our government. Its not the same thing. A libertarian is not neccessarily a libertine.

Libertine:
Its really not surpising you would use this definition when refering to libertarianism to obfuscate things. Hey man, sorry I don't believe things such as rights, morality, law, etc are completely baseless when not refering to a diety like you.

I consider myself to be a libertarian. Liberty comes from God, not man nor the State (a self-evident truth). True liberty is not license; it contains responsibility, based on a solid moral code. Liberty allows us to do what we ought to do, not what we necessarily want to do. The problem with many so-called "libertarians" is that they often confuse libertarianism with libertinism. For instance, they feel it's okay to watch child porn, murder babies in the womb, practice homosexuality, etc. Those acts are not consistent with true liberty, which is founded on acting morally and responsibly before God and man. Libertinism allows for men to act freely based on their lusts, essentially, and through such hedonistic behavior, chaos, greed, and confusion are birthed. Our Founding Fathers did not advocate such behavior worthy of men in a civil society, and definitely not behavior suitable for one to be involved in public office. Libertarianism is not libertinism; the two are mutually exclusive, and never the twain shall they meet.