why do both the Libertarian and Constitutionists parties exist?

[Kalifornia]

In the interest of more information, you can view the Constitution Party's and the Libertarian Party's platforms on this thread. I think after you read both of their platforms, you'll understand why they are so different from one another.

Im pretty sure I know which party Theo supports.

 

[micahnelson]

for the illusion of a choice.

The two party system exists because acting bipartisan gives you 3-4 points in most polls.

 

[Theocrat]

Of Course

Im pretty sure I know which party Theo supports.

I support the party which honors our Constitution, not libertinism.

 

[nbhadja]

for the illusion of a choice.

Exactly, that is the reason. The constitution and libertarian parties are not trying to make a illusion to fool people.

 

[FrankRep]

It doesn't really matter if you're a Libertarian or a Constitutionist, you're probably gonna lose either way. Splitting hairs over petty details.

 

[Kalifornia]

I support the party which honors our Constitution, not libertinism.

I guessed as much. In fairness I find as much fault with the Libs as with your position, but its too bad you guys cant just leave your god in your hearts instead of bringing him into your politics.

 

[Theocrat]

Flipping the Script

I guessed as much. In fairness I find as much fault with the Libs as with your position, but its too bad you guys cant just leave your god in your hearts instead of bringing him into your politics.

Are you forcing your beliefs on me by telling me I can't inculcate my God into politics, Kalifornia? Why don't you take your own advice and leave your doubt inside your own heart instead of bringing it into your politics?

 

[acptulsa]

Are you forcing your beliefs on me by telling me I can't inculcate my God into politics, Kalifornia? Why don't you take your own advice and leave your doubt inside your own heart instead of bringing it into your politics?

I just want to find a common ground where we can utilize the strength of our numbers instead of dividing ourselves into political uselessness. Wonder if God would approve of us being an undivided force for good in the world? Ya think?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Not so much that, as the job felt like being a guide at the zoo for retarded kids.

retards? can't be worse than GOP regulars

 

[Kalifornia]

Are you forcing your beliefs on me by telling me I can't inculcate my God into politics, Kalifornia? Why don't you take your own advice and leave your doubt inside your own heart instead of bringing it into your politics?

Forcing? No. Just pointing out that everyone has a different religion, and by forcing your religion into politics, you immediately alienate others who dont share your exact beliefs. Id like for people to respect their differences whereever possible.

I have no doubts about anything. If you are referring to my relationship with God, its a personal one. My lack of a need to force it on others is no indication of a lack of faith. I just dont feel the need to attempt to force others to emulate it by regulating what they do with or put into their own bodies.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I support the party which honors our Constitution, not libertinism.

sounds good to me.

 

[acptulsa]

I have no doubts about anything. If you are referring to my relationship with God, its a personal one. My lack of a need to force it on others is no indication of a lack of faith. I just dont feel the need to attempt to force others to emulate it by regulating what they do with or put into their own bodies.

Oh, I see. You give God credit for being a good enough Father to meet each of His children on his or her own terms without playing favorites and without forcing them into a "one size fits all" mold. What a concept!

Doesn't seem too much to ask of the omnipotent to me...

 

[Theocrat]

There is No Neutrality in Politics

Forcing? No. Just pointing out that everyone has a different religion, and by forcing your religion into politics, you immediately alienate others who dont share your exact beliefs. Id like for people to respect their differences whereever possible.

I have no doubts about anything. If you are referring to my relationship with God, its a personal one. My lack of a need to force it on others is no indication of a lack of faith. I just dont feel the need to attempt to force others to emulate it by regulating what they do with or put into their own bodies.

Acknowledging God in politics (as many of our Founders did) is not "forcing" my beliefs on anyone. However, the removal or disallowal of God in politics is an imposition of a non-belief in God. There is no neutrality. You need to understand that because, sadly, that's how the secularists are trying to win the battle for political domination.

 

[Theocrat]

The Truth of the Matter

sounds good to me.

Then you're not a true American, in my opinion.

 

[Kalifornia]

Acknowledging God in politics (as many of our Founders did) is not "forcing" my beliefs on anyone. However, the removal or disallowal of God in politics is an imposition of a non-belief in God. There is no neutrality. You need to understand that because, sadly, that's how the secularists are trying to win the battle for political domination.

Acknowledging the creator in each of our lives is considerably different than allowing one person's or a group of persons' flawed understanding of God's will (As ALL of our understandings are deeply flawed.) to affect the policy of a government which has been created by men UNDER God.

The removal of religion from politics merely allows us to focus on finding common ground. I have no problem with atheists, or buddhists, or or any religion, for that matter, so long as they agree to acknowledge that I have fundamental rights, that they will not trample upon. I see them as given to me by my creator. If they want to view it in another right, that is their choice.

The fact that you view it as a sort of religious battle says alot about you theo. What makes you so different from a Jihadi?

 

[Theocrat]

Points of Contention

Acknowledging the creator in each of our lives is considerably different than allowing one person's or a group of persons' flawed understanding of God's will (As ALL of our understandings are deeply flawed.) to affect the policy of a government which has been created by men UNDER God.

(emphasis mine)

You must be deeply flawed in your understanding of what the Creator requires of His creatures' involvement in politics, then.

The removal of religion from politics merely allows us to focus on finding common ground. I have no problem with atheists, or buddhists, or or any religion, for that matter, so long as they agree to acknowledge that I have fundamental rights, that they will not trample upon. I see them as given to me by my creator. If they want to view it in another right, that is their choice.

It is impossible to separate religion from politics, even for secularists. They religiously believe that religion has no place in politics, yet theirs is a religion of humanism. That's my point.

The fact that you view it as a sort of religious battle says alot about you theo. What makes you so different from a Jihadi?

What makes me different from Jihadists is that I don't strap bombs to myself in order to convert others to my beliefs. Rather, I strap "bombs" to others' worldviews and let them implode on themselves. The former uses weapons of mass destruction, while the latter utilizes words of mass instruction.

By the way, the current battle that is raging in our society is a war of philosophical beliefs and ideas, whether it's in politics, economics, or ethics. Even Congressman Paul acknowledges this. What you believe determines how you behave, and that has impacts on society, whether you're a theist or "atheist."

 

[acptulsa]

You must be deeply flawed in your understanding of what the Creator requires of His creatures' involvement in politics, then.

He does think he's a prophet! May the Lord have mercy on his soul!

 

[Truth Warrior]

why do both the Libertarian and Constitutionists parties exist?

As a political party "home and refuge" for mostly frustrated, discouraged, and disgruntled Conservative GOP refugees and defectors!<IMHO>

 

[Kalifornia]

(emphasis mine)
You must be deeply flawed in your understanding of what the Creator requires of His creatures' involvement in politics, then.

That is my point. No one truly knows God's will. Which is why I will stick to making decisions for myself, and limit my politics to ensuring everyone else gets to make their own decisions, so long as they harm no one else directly.

It is impossible to separate religion from politics, even for secularists. They religiously believe that religion has no place in politics, yet theirs is a religion of humanism. That's my point.

That is simply not true. I separate the two quite easily. Now if you are saying that YOU are unable to do so, for whatever reason, that makes me sad for you.

What makes me different from Jihadists is that I don't strap bombs to myself in order to convert others to my beliefs. Rather, I strap "bombs" to others' worldviews and let them implode on themselves. The former uses weapons of mass destruction, while the latter utilizes words of mass instruction.

so is it fair to characterize you as a non-violent jihadi? If so, how do you ever seek to build consensus with those who dont share your beliefs? Do you intend to convert enough people to your way of thinking that you can use the power of the state to compel them to obey your belief system by law? If so, then would it be fair to characterize you as a jihadi who doesnt use violence personally, but is willing to employ the violence of the state to do your bidding?

By the way, the current battle that is raging in our society is a war of philosophical beliefs and ideas, whether it's in politics, economics, or ethics. Even Congressman Paul acknowledges this. What you believe determines how you behave, and that has impacts on society, whether you're a theist or "atheist."

I agree, which is why Im attempting to adhere to the philosophy that ensures the most liberty for the most Americans, without destroying our national identity, culture, and sovereignty.

 

[libertarian4321]

The Constitution Party is for less government spending on most things. However, there is a strong theocratic trend in the CP- most of them have no problem with government legislating Christian "morality".

The Libertarian Party believes you should be free from unnecessary government intrusion for both economic and social issues.

If you are a "libertarian" who thinks the Inquisition was a good idea, you probably would prefer the CP. If you are a libertarian who doesn't think burning at the stake for "impure" thoughts is a good idea, you probably belong in the Libertarian Party.