Why Did God Issue A Stronger Penalty For Eating Meat Than For Murder?

[lilymc]

Freedom of religion; how others choose to feed themselves and tend their property is none of my business.

I don't personally encourage the "factory farm" practice;
generally the meat I eat gets shot w/ 308 through the heart;
its pretty quick... and usually occurs in a frozen snow filled field.
The rest of its life it wanders free on open range.

Deer was tonight's dinner. Bear yesterday. Rainbow trout night before.
Might have to pull a 3 pack of squirrel out of the freezer tomorrow.

General rule of thumb... I like to look it in the eyes before I eat it...
or at least look the man who took its life in the eyes before accepting it.

If you don't mind me asking... are you an atheist? Or a christian or another religion?

 

[Anti Federalist]

It might be easy to say that in theory. But if a more powerful species came to this plant, and decided to eat you... but only after putting you in a cage, then torturing you before finally butchering you... I tend to doubt that you would be so blasé about it.

I have had apex predators try to eat me.

I'll show you the scars on my leg.

That said, I get it...it concerns you.

It doesn't concern me.

 

[presence]

If you don't mind me asking... are you an atheist? Or a christian or another religion?

Yes. I did watch the video... and frankly I've seen much worse.

I'd classify myself as "other" religion wise; I'm well studied in many religions past and present, east and west... and draw from them all philosophically. On "the chart" I'm probably somewhere between unitarian universalist, diest, and virtue ethicist. My wife is a deontological secular humanist.

 

[lilymc]

I have had apex predators try to eat me.

I'll show you the scars on my leg.

That said, I get it...it concerns you.

It doesn't concern me.

I should've made it more clear, I meant a more intelligent species...not just stronger. I still don't think anyone would be nonchalant about that scenario.

 

[specsaregood]

Why Did God Issue A Stronger Penalty For Eating Meat Than For Murder?

Because your God is a petty and selfish God that wants to keep all the delicious, healthy meat to himself.

 

[lilymc]

Yes. I did watch the video... and frankly I've seen much worse.

I'd classify myself as "other" religion wise; I'm well studied in many religions past and present, east and west... and draw from them all philosophically. On "the chart" I'm probably somewhere between unitarian universalist, diest, and virtue ethicist. My wife is a deontological secular humanist.

I have too. (seen worse) I posted that one, because it was so short and shows a variety of animals.

Thanks for sharing your religious views.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

[h=1]Why Did God Issue A Stronger Penalty For Eating Meat Than For Murder?

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The short answer is - He didn't...

Because some person wrote something down 4000 years ago and claimed he heard it from God does not make it true...

 

[pcosmar]

Yes.

I hunted, I commercial fished, I've raised animals for meat, fur and eggs.

Having livestock means having deadstock.

And how other people want to handle or take care of their property is no business of mine.

Agreed

But how someone cares for animals tell a lot about them.

Factory farmer or Trophy hunter are low on the list,, down with folks that kick dogs and beat wives.

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

 

[monte]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FImOEDY9mmQ

Apologies, not sure how to embed, but I love this short video.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I should've made it more clear, I meant a more intelligent species...not just stronger. I still don't think anyone would be nonchalant about that scenario.

Probably not.

But that's not where we are.

So, until such time that we are, I'm not too concerned, and I'm going to continue to enjoy bacon, eggs, burgers and steaks.

 

[lilymc]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FImOEDY9mmQ

Apologies, not sure how to embed, but I love this short video.

I love it.

And I love this scripture that was in the description: "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you." (Job 12:7)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Agreed

But how someone cares for animals tell a lot about them.

Factory farmer or Trophy hunter are low on the list,, down with folks that kick dogs and beat wives.

Yes, it does.

But, I think anyway, the argument is being made here that raising animals for meat and by-products is, in and of itself, immoral.

Just like slavery would be considered immoral, regardless of how well, or how poorly you treated your slaves.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, it does.

But, I think anyway, the argument is being made here that raising animals for meat and by-products is, in and of itself, immoral.

Just like slavery would be considered immoral, regardless of how well, or how poorly you treated your slaves.

Not Really

This is a personal choice turned into a religion that reshapes God.

Oh perhaps someone just making fun of religion. And I enjoy tipping Holy Cows, and popping religious balloons,,

I make fun of the religions of men,,, But I do not mock God.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If raising animals for meat or by-products is unholy and an abomination in the eyes of god, why did he announce the birth of the savior to shepherds?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh perhaps someone just making fun of religion.

Oh, I'm pretty sure we're all being trolled here.

 

[pcosmar]

Oh, I'm pretty sure we're all being trolled here.

I'm not.

 

[RicoCabeza]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FImOEDY9mmQ

Apologies, not sure how to embed, but I love this short video.

Awesome game changing video, and only 2 minutes long basically. Thanks 4 sharing!

 

[pcosmar]

I love it.

And I love this scripture that was in the description: "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you." (Job 12:7)

And some wonder why I call myself a Druidic Christian..

Spend quality time with Job.

 

[TER]

God, by His great mercy and holy dispensation, has allowed the use of things in creation, such as the animals and plants, for the sustenance and survival of man.

Indeed, one of the first acts He accomplished after Adam and Eve fell from grace and were cast out of the Garden, was to give them tunics of skins to cover themselves with, demonstrating that in this fallen world, sacrifice is acceptable, as long as it is done respectfully and in thanksgiving.

It was indeed Abel's offering of livestock which He valued above Cain's roots and vegetables.

God loves all of His creatures and all of His creation, but none greater than man, who was made in His image and likeness. Indeed, He made all of creation for man, so that man may be stewards over it and share in it with God.

God loves the beasts and the birds and everything which He has fashioned, but none more than His very children, to whom He has breathed in His very divine Spirit. "For don't you know you are worth more than many sparrows?"

And it is our nature to which the Word of God united with His divine nature, so that creation might be renewed and transfigured into the Kingdom of Heaven. It is mankind who God has bestowed the grace of sonship and heir.

Thus, God allows animals and plants to be used by man for food and protection.

Of course, the heavenly way is one without meat and the death of animals, for this is the life in the Kingdom which we aspire to and hope for, where the wolf will sit with the lamb. This is the holier and more angelic way.

However, if one makes this a reason to judge another person in this world, and to castigate them or accuse them, (when God Himself has allowed it and ordained it), such pride deprives them of any spiritual benefit and voids any virtue they may have had in living such asceticism.

In this fallen world, (which has been corrupted by the permeation of sin and the death of everything in it), God, in His great mercy, allows us to use the plants and animals for our survival. Yet, we must do so in a spirit of reverence, mercy, and thanskgiving. In fact, in the Old Covenant, before Christ the Lamb of God came to take away the sins of the world, He ordered it, and in that same manner.

The Church fasts for many periods in the year, abstaining from meat and animal products, as a preparation and training for our life in the Kingdom and for the purification of our souls and bodies before we commune of the Divine Eucharist. But, never, at no time, have the believers in Christ taught strict vegetarianism for the faithful as the only means towards salvation, and those who put this yoke upon others create a new religion apart from the faith handed down by Jesus Christ.

 

[pcosmar]

God, by His great mercy and holy dispensation, has allowed the use of things in creation, such as the animals and plants, for the sustenance and survival of man.

Indeed, one of the first acts He accomplished after Adam and Eve fell from grace and were cast out of the Garden, was to give them tunics of skins to cover themselves with, demonstrating that in this fallen world, sacrifice is acceptable, as long as it is done respectfully and in thanksgiving.

It was indeed Abel's offering of livestock which He valued above Cain's roots and vegetables.

God loves all of His creatures and all of His creation, but none greater than man, who was made in His image and likeness. Indeed, He made all of creation for man, so that man may be stewards over it and share in it with God.

God loves the beasts and the birds and everything which He has fashioned, but none more than His very children. "For don't you know you are worth more than many sparrows?"

And it is our nature to which the Word of God united with His divine nature, so that creation might be renewed and transfigured into the Kingdom of Heaven. It is mankind who God has bestowed the grace of sonship and heir.

Thus, God allows animals and plants to be used by man for food and protection.

Of course, the heavenly way is one without meat and the death of animals, for this is the life in the Kingdom which we aspire to and hope for, where the wolf will sit with the lamb. This is the holier and more angelic way.

However, if one makes this a reason to judge another person in this world, and to castigate them or accuse them, (when God Himself has allowed it and ordained it), deprives them of any spiritual benefit and voids any virtue they may have had in living such asceticism.

In this fallen world, (which has been corrupted by the permeation of sin and the death of everything in it), God, in His great mercy, allows us to use the plants and animals for our survival. Yet, we must do so in a spirit of reverence, mercy, and thanksgiving. In fact, in the Old Covenant, before Christ the Lamb of God came to take away the sins of the world, He ordered it, and in that same manner.

The Church fasts for many periods in the year, abstaining from meat and animal products, as a preparation and training for our life in the Kingdom and for the purification of our souls and bodies before we commune of the Divine Eucharist. But, never, at no time, have the believers in Christ taught strict vegetarianism for the faithful as the only means towards salvation, and those who put this yoke upon others create a new religion apart from the faith handed down by Jesus Christ.

How is it that an uneducated (HS dropout) ex-con ,, can agree with you on so much concerning Christ and salvation,, and only disagree on small interpretations/ minor parts.


it would certainly,,not be of any of my doing.

and I do believe from your posting that you have been professionally educated in such. I have not.
my "seminary" was different.