Why breaking $12 million now will help us most..

[SwordOfShannarah]

The problem is that all those people who will donate twice will split their donation. Donate 1/2 on 30th and 1/2 on 16th. Then there will be a bunch of people that will only donate on the 30th.

All this takes momentum away from the 16th, doesn't build more momentum. How much momentum will it take away? I can't say for sure, but looking at the pledge numbers and how they have stalled, its probably a lot. This is not a good thing.

Lets not fool ourselves. There is a certain amount of people donating (20K - 50K). When we split these people up into 2 days, instead of all for 1, neither one will be the maximum possible.

Donating on the 30th will build momentum for the 16th. When ThisNovember5th.com was a success there was a ton of traffic to the site (and leading up to it). At that time there was no other drive to promote and all the traffic was lost. Remember that not all Ron Paul supporters are on the net, we've broken through to non- net users. So, many won't know about TeaParty07.com until we get it on the news. If we get on the news on the 30th we will bring in new RP supporters to fill in any gaps, and we'll probably do much more than fill in gaps- we'll see a large increase. People want to be a part of the winning team after all, and twice in the MSM means we're winning!

Also - sorry to all about my writing and thanks for struggling through it. I edited the first post just a bit. I hope it's a little easier to read now. I'm sending a link to this forum post out to the list today.

 

[Kandilynn]

I really want to donate on Nov 30th, but I won't have any money until mid-December. That's the reason I signed up to do that one.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Think about it... If we can get 12 million by the 1st. And a huge day on the 16th that is exactly the 1-2 punch the campaign could use rolling into New Hampshire.

I agree.

 

[Original_Intent]

Donating on the 30th will build momentum for the 16th. When ThisNovember5th.com was a success there was a ton of traffic to the site (and leading up to it). At that time there was no other drive to promote and all the traffic was lost. Remember that not all Ron Paul supporters are on the net, we've broken through to non- net users. So, many won't know about TeaParty07.com until we get it on the news. If we get on the news on the 30th we will bring in new RP supporters to fill in any gaps, and we'll probably do much more than fill in gaps- we'll see a large increase. People want to be a part of the winning team after all, and twice in the MSM means we're winning!

Also - sorry to all about my writing and thanks for struggling through it. I edited the first post just a bit. I hope it's a little easier to read now. I'm sending a link to this forum post out to the list today.

Trevor I hope one of two things:

1) That you are right and that November 30th is a huge success

or

2) That November 30th is a minor money grenade.

Deep down I HOPE that number 1 is right because it COULD indeed make Dec 16th even bigger.

But also, deep down, I BELIEVE that November 30th will suck the oxygen out of TeaParty07. Because of this belief, and not because I have any axe to grind, I will continue to encourage people to hold off until the TeaParty.

 

[Eleanor]

Trevor I hope one of two things:

1) That you are right and that November 30th is a huge success

or

2) That November 30th is a minor money grenade.

Deep down I HOPE that number 1 is right because it COULD indeed make Dec 16th even bigger.

But also, deep down, I BELIEVE that November 30th will suck the oxygen out of TeaParty07. Because of this belief, and not because I have any axe to grind, I will continue to encourage people to hold off until the TeaParty.

Original Intent, I disagree with you.

Trevor, I'm with you all the way. I hope you're able to publicize this yourself as well this week. Something was mentioned yesterday about you were going to try to do some appearances on radio this week??? If so, I hope you're able to do so and are able to encourage folks to donate on Friday.

Note: The donations have fallen off since Tuesday. (Only $8,680 as of 10:45 AM ET on Monday.) Hopefully that's because everyone is tapped out after beating Huck's money bomb on Tuesday and not as protests against the money bomb timing issues.

Hopefully the donation total will be LARGE on Friday.

 

[mtmedlin]

Eleanor, i have to disagree with you and with only 1700 or so pledges, I believe the market has spoken.
I keep reading everybody saying that two 5 million dollar money bombs do not equal a ten. Your right. but what if the total between the two isnt anywhere near 10 million. What if it is 6. Then we give 2 on the 30th and 4 on the 16th and get nearly no coverage. A single 6 million dollar fundraising on the 16th would have made news but as I have said in several threads, the damage is done and there is no turning back. We have two money bombs and if they disappoint some people will look like ass's and if they both succeed then they will look like geniuses. I am hoping for the second.

 

[Maltheus]

Alright, I'm sold on the donating on Nov. 30. But only to break the $12 million mark, not to make a splash in and of itself. I think we can raise another $2.5 million without significantly damaging the 16th bomb. It's such an attainable goal and I'm starting to buy the argument that we can snowball it into something more on the 16th.

I did a sign waiving this weekend with close to 20 others, and I was blown away by how many people were hanging out their windows cheering us on. Honks from all directions at the same time, yet in three hours, I only saw three thumbs down (and one lady asking, "is he that Mormon fellow?"). Apparently that was a big step up from the last sign waiving that our group did. I'm not happy with how the Ron Paul campaign is running things, but I do pay respect to Trevor for his fine lemonade.

 

[shadowhooch]

I love the 12 mil by Nov 30th goal

The 12 million Nov 30th goal is perfect for so many reasons:

1) It WILL be publicity if RP meets his 4th Qtr goal 1 month early.
2) This publicity will help escalate (not deteriorate) the contributions for Dec 16th Tea Party because of new "believers" that are converted to RP.
3) This publicity will be HUGE to gain him support before the Iowa debate (which is a little skeptical as to if RP will be invited).
4) Finally, and most importantly, it is money the campaign CAN spend on the early primary states.

What's not to love?
Let's do it and quit bickering. Just give twice instead of once.

 

[qwerty]

12 million would be awesome...

 

[Ksuperneau]

I gave $25 on the 5th as I was broke and it was the first time ever donating. Also gave 25 on the 11th and with the email last week. So I, as many can do is donate on both days. If we get close to the 12mil mark people will likely jump in to give the final boost over the goal. I think it will be doable without effecting the 16th at all and probably boost it if nothing else.

 

[CelestialRender]

I'll be donating on both days.

You couldn't be more right about repetition. We need to make sure they can't call his successes a "fluke".

 

[tomcat]

Crucial to break this. Yes, there is a compromise between the grassroots and the campaign. The wisest thing we can do to is to make this Nov. 30th be big, and the TeaParty will be even BIGGER.

I am donating my $100 Friday, and 2 more ex-Ron Paul-doubters will take my place on the 16th!!!!

 

[kotetu]

Q1: $639,989
Q2: $2,369,453
Q3: $5,258,455

The first number to get to is $10,516,910. This is DOUBLE the Quarter 3. This one is a no brainer, since we're only a million and a quarter away.

The big bomb that will really garner attention, though, is $21,084,634. Why? Because that is Mitt's 1st quarter fundraising. The BEST so far in the republican race. Beat that, and no one in the world can ignore or marginalize Ron Paul.

I think it would be great to double our prior quarter fundraising in 2 months, but let's not forget the main goal - the Tea Party! If we bring in $10,000,000 on the 16th, Ron Paul pushed to front runner status. All Eyes On Paul seems like a good headline to shoot for!

 

[erran speaker]

hello,

i am a relatively new member and would like to add a line or two... thanks

i saw my first ron paul sign in may in florida. i checked out ron paul, liked the surface without digging further and thought "too bad he probably won't get anywhere". i then picked romney as the best candidate to actually run the business of government.

i checked ron paul out heavily after third quarter fund raising totals came in, but not enough to catch wind of November 5th until it was over. November 5th brought me in and i signed up for the tea party. there's my story, here are a couple of thoughts:

all you need for rudy's reading list is $1 million and a well organized campaign ready to take advantage of it. donate more than $1 million, call the press, and cast it as a direct attack on giuliani. they love conflict. unlike the other events, rudy's reading list is a direct conflict event. if the campaign could log a lot of offline donations that day, that would be nice, but the main thing is $1 million to buy rudy a few books. $1 million is a headline, conflict with rudy is a headline. i also highly recommend donating early in the morning so the press can get the business lunch crowd. cresting $10.6 million ("congressman paul, you've already doubled your impressive total from last quarter"), over $1 million for the punch line of rudy's reading list ("mr mayor, how do you account for the discrepancy between your remarks and the 9/11 commission report? and why do you think so many people are donating to buy you copies of these books?"), and you have all the airtime you need. i hope the campaign will be ready to take advantage. again, please donate early in the day if you are going to donate at all. you'll get a baby tick for crossing $12 million in december, but if the tea party does not pass $7.0 million (crushing romney's $6.5 million claim and hillary's big day in june) it may be only "another money bomb". "most money in a single day" and "over $20 million for the quarter" are big headlines.

summation: i support a $1 million dollar effort for the 30th, particularly if it crosses $10.6 million total. i support it because it will bring a lot more people to play for the 16th - people like me (and i've already signed up three others).

xoxox,
erran

 

[Eleanor]

hello,

i am a relatively new member and would like to add a line or two... thanks

...

all you need for rudy's reading list is $1 million and a well organized campaign ready to take advantage of it. donate more than $1 million, call the press, and cast it as a direct attack on giuliani. they love conflict. unlike the other events, rudy's reading list is a direct conflict event. if the campaign could log a lot of offline donations that day, that would be nice, but the main thing is $1 million to buy rudy a few books. $1 million is a headline, conflict with rudy is a headline. i also highly recommend donating early in the morning so the press can get the business lunch crowd. cresting $10.6 million ("congressman paul, you've already doubled your impressive total from last quarter"), over $1 million for the punch line of rudy's reading list ("mr mayor, how do you account for the discrepancy between your remarks and the 9/11 commission report? and why do you think so many people are donating to buy you copies of these books?"), and you have all the airtime you need. i hope the campaign will be ready to take advantage. again, please donate early in the day if you are going to donate at all. you'll get a baby tick for crossing $12 million in december, but if the tea party does not pass $7.0 million (crushing romney's $6.5 million claim and hillary's big day in june) it may be only "another money bomb". "most money in a single day" and "over $20 million for the quarter" are big headlines.

summation: i support a $1 million dollar effort for the 30th, particularly if it crosses $10.6 million total. i support it because it will bring a lot more people to play for the 16th - people like me (and i've already signed up three others).

xoxox,
erran

Really terrific ideas, in my opinion. I hope the Powers that Be use them. Thanks for posting.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

Just a follow-up to my last post.

Anyone who pays even minor attention to the stock market knows that stocks go up when companies exceed expectations. The same applies in politics. November 5th exceeded people's expectations for Ron Paul and made big news. Now 12 million projected for the quarter exceeds expectations and makes news as we are seeing in James Carville's mention and other media stories. Getting to 12 million a month early really exceeds expectations and will make huge news. A record breaking December 16th will again exceed expectations and make big news. Then when the quarter total exceeds 20 million (whatever it is) it will exceed expectations and make big news. Doing well in New Hampshire and Iowa will undoubtedly exceed expectations and again make huge news.

We can produce a steady stream of going beyond expectations. This is a clear path that gets us where we want to be. It has already started. November 30th is the next important step along the way.

A very simple summary of the above post and others like it...

Nothing Succeeds Like Success

Too many voters still just want to "pick a winner". To me, that means our job is to make Dr. Paul look like a winner to these people. No, not just a winner - we must make him THE WINNER for money raised. Perception is reality. Perceived "winners" become actual "winners". QED

 

[ProBlue33]

I just want to say for obvious reasons that Nov30th is not the day to max out.
By all means give $100.00, but don't go crazy, save that for the 16th, then go crazy and max out.

 

[James R]

Congratulations on posting legitimate evidence that Nov 30th has some purpose, to my shock and amazement. Now seal the deal by getting actual names of reporters who believe it would be huge if Ron Paul hits the $12 million mark on Nov 30th. All you have to do is use your press contacts for opinion and get permission to publish their opinion, then you'll have my support and also several thousand others as well who will see actual evidence that Nov 30th is meaningful. The better your press evidence the more I'll donate on the 30th. I'm challenging you because I like to change my mind about things.

 

[Wayne Hammond]

Congratulations on posting legitimate evidence that Nov 30th has some purpose, to my shock and amazement. Now seal the deal by getting actual names of reporters who believe it would be huge if Ron Paul hits the $12 million mark on Nov 30th. All you have to do is use your press contacts for opinion and get permission to publish their opinion, then you'll have my support and also several thousand others as well who will see actual evidence that Nov 30th is meaningful. The better your press evidence the more I'll donate on the 30th. I'm challenging you because I like to change my mind about things.

You've got to be kidding. You are, right?!?

You're actually asking Trevor to drop everything he's doing, then spend the next 3 days securing all this "evidence" that you require, asking for and gathering a multitude of "permission slips" from all the press people he contacts, which allows him to post their opinions here on the forums, just to prove to you that it's worth your while to donate on the Nov 30th? By the time he does all that, Nov. 30th will be over.

Uh, don't think this movement needs your money that bad.

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[lastnymleft]

I just want to say for obvious reasons that Nov30th is not the day to max out.
By all means give $100.00, but don't go crazy, save that for the 16th, then go crazy and max out.

Yes. Make no bones about it: By the end of this quarter, every current supporter should be maxed out, or as close to maxing out as they possibly can. Hit the limit, then hit the PACs. Give till it hurts, then give some more.

This quarter is IT. Beating $20M for this quarter, or - even better - beating Romney's $21.xM 1st Qtr total are both realistic targets if we vow not to hold back. Such will be worth MULTIPLES to the campaign right at the best possible time. The biggest news will hit on Jan 3rd-4th, when the 4th Qtr figures are released. That will give us the biggest boost going into Iowa, New Hampshire, and Super Tuesday, that we could possibly hope for.

For every one of us that hits the max, several more will have been brought forward to carry the baton for future moneybombs.

4th Quarter, to the MAX!