Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

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Libertarian Ideals said:
Oh, thanks for the correction. But I do know everyone else watching the trial was threatened to be handcuffed if they didn't stand when the judge entered.
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Yep, it is tyranny. Luckily we have brave men like Ian standing up for our freedoms. If we can get enough people like him to New Hampshire, we will stand a chance at success.
 
Remember, signing up doesn't mean you commit to move until AFTER 20,000 people is reached. Once again, even if you would not make the move now, would you not make the move if 20,000 liberty activists were all going to do it?
 
I won't derail someone else's thread but I would just like to say that I am 100% convinced that the FSP is accomplishing, and will continue to accomplish more than organizations like the CFL and that I would strongly urge people to concentrate their efforts and resources in the FSP. I really don't know what is so inspiring about the CFL other than that RP started it, yet I continue to see threads started over and over about it. IMO, the FSP provides participants with a much more tangible and specific method of achieving their goals, by geographically consolidating our efforts.

Just my 2 pre-1982 cents
 
I presume FSP want people who are SERIOUS about it, not just those who join to boost the numbers.

I haven't signed up for it because it would be LIE -- as I have absolutely no intentions of moving to New Hampshire, whether they reach the number or not in the main because all of my family live near me now... and family is important. (And I have no intention of EVER submitting to a TSA "grope" -- certainly not every single time I want to visit family around the holidays -- my NOT flying is my own form of protest... if everyone followed suit, even for a just a single month or two... TSA would be gone!)

In the future... once I am at the equivalent of Gary North's "top layer of the cake" I may change my mind. On the other hand, that is years (probably decades) away, and if FSP doesn't have sufficient numbers by then, the whole thing will be a flop.
 
WRellim said:
I presume FSP want people who are SERIOUS about it, not just those who join to boost the numbers.

I haven't signed up for it because it would be LIE -- as I have absolutely no intentions of moving to New Hampshire, whether they reach the number or not in the main because all of my family live near me now... and family is important. (And I have no intention of EVER submitting to a TSA "grope" -- certainly not every single time I want to visit family around the holidays -- my NOT flying is my own form of protest... if everyone followed suit, even for a just a single month or two... TSA would be gone!)

In the future... once I am at the equivalent of Gary North's "top layer of the cake" I may change my mind. On the other hand, that is years (probably decades) away, and if FSP doesn't have sufficient numbers by then, the whole thing will be a flop.
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They want people to sign who are serious about moving, yes, but that does not mean others cannot support the project. :) I'm talking about little stuff too. Buy the FSP bumper sticker instead of the CFL one and such.
 
<<<does NOT LIKE the northeast. Many of the people that built the west left there, for good reason, over 100 years ago. Unfortunately, they brought some northeast ideas with them, which are STILL screwing things up out here.
Never been to NE, don't want to EVER go.















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Pennsylvania said:
I won't derail someone else's thread but I would just like to say that I am 100% convinced that the FSP is accomplishing, and will continue to accomplish more than organizations like the CFL and that I would strongly urge people to concentrate their efforts and resources in the FSP. I really don't know what is so inspiring about the CFL other than that RP started it, yet I continue to see threads started over and over about it. IMO, the FSP provides participants with a much more tangible and specific method of achieving their goals, by geographically consolidating our efforts.

Just my 2 pre-1982 cents
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I completely agree. The CFL seems to be doing practically nothing and is being run by many of the same people that ran the largely incompetent Ron Paul campaign. Additionally, gaining our liberty back by concentrating our efforts at the national level as well as spreading ourselves thin throughout the entire country has very little chance of success.

The FSP is light years ahead of the CFL in actually getting things accomplished and that is with just a few hundred people who have moved. I just hope people realize this before they dump too much of their time and money into the CFL with little chance of creating change. Time is of the essence and we need to be concentrating our activities on something that actually has some chance of success.
 
bojo68 said:
<<<does NOT LIKE the northeast. Many of the people that built the west left there, for good reason, over 100 years ago. Unfortunately, they brought some northeast ideas with them, which are STILL screwing things up out here.
Never been to NE, don't want to EVER go.
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Come out for PorcFest next year. I am from the west coast and I love New Hampshire, it is the Washington State of the east coast, but with more freedom--personal and economic.
 
The FSP now has almost half of the sign ups necessary. Please sign up now so we can pick up the place and get to 20,000. It should be more and more evident as time passes that the federal system is too far gone and we have almost no chance at rescuing it. Lets concentrate our activism so we can achieve liberty in our lifetime.
 
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Truth Warrior said:
Just WAAAY too busy with the State Free Project. :D
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Many people who are signed up or have moved for the FSP are for statelessness. I am :)

The FSP mission statement says "the MAXIMUM role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." I, along with many others, would prefer to do away with the government completely.
 
mport1 said:
Many people who are signed up or have moved for the FSP are for statelessness. I am :)

The FSP mission statement says "the MAXIMUM role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." I, along with many others, would prefer to do away with the government completely.
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The trouble is the conflict that most people in the liberty movement can't see.
The minarchists are working within the system for smaller government. But by doing that they are actually conceding that we do NEED government of some kind. The problem is that government by nature always grows. So if the minarchists were successful at let's say getting a few libertarians in office, they are still working against the true freedom advocates- the anarchists.

As long as we have this conflict of opposing forces within the freedom movement, it will not succeed.
 
RevolutionSD said:
The trouble is the conflict that most people in the liberty movement can't see.
The minarchists are working within the system for smaller government. But by doing that they are actually conceding that we do NEED government of some kind. The problem is that government by nature always grows. So if the minarchists were successful at let's say getting a few libertarians in office, they are still working against the true freedom advocates- the anarchists.

As long as we have this conflict of opposing forces within the freedom movement, it will not succeed.
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I disagree. I think that trying to shrink government and getting some minarchists into power would result in a much better situation than right now and hopefully pave the way for true freedom. However, I think civil disobedience, non-compliance, and market activism would be a much better route to freedom.

Also, without the minarchists getting the wheels turning in people's heads there would be practically no anarchists. I know I wouldn't be for complete freedom if I wasn't first exposed to what seemed like a much less radical philosophy. It seems like the overwhelming majority of anarchists have followed this path.
 
mport1 said:
Many people who are signed up or have moved for the FSP are for statelessness. I am :)

The FSP mission statement says "the MAXIMUM role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." I, along with many others, would prefer to do away with the government completely.
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Government is in the CRIME business, the "protection RACKET" is just a very small part of that business.<IMHO>

"Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators, and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class." ~ Albert Jay Nock, Our Enemy, The State
 
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