Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

on the freestateproject homepage:

Obama Support Dropping in New Hampshire
Well there's some good news for us McCain supporters.
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on the freestateproject homepage:

Obama Support Dropping in New Hampshire
Well there's some good news for us McCain supporters.
:confused:

So if you are happy that Obama's support is dropping, it automatically means you support McCain? You've never heard of 3rd parties?
 
So if you are happy that Obama's support is dropping, it automatically means you support McCain? You've never heard of 3rd parties?

Well it does say US McCain supporters, implying the author supports McCain. I should point out, however, that the content in question wasn't written by the FSP, it's a link to a "pro-liberty" blog.
 
IMO, the Free State Project is our best chance of having liberty in our lifetime. I used to be doubter of the project, but I recently signed their statement of intent to move because I feel that it's the logical next step in the r3VOLtion. More importantly though, the limited number of activists there ARE affecting change!

The fact is that despite all of the unprecedented hard work, meet ups, money bombs, and publicity stunts by grassroots individuals, Ron Paul's presidential campaign went NOWHERE.


Why? The powers-that-be have a stranglehold on who gets to be selected for president. If you don't play (business as usual) ball, you're cock blocked by the political and media establishment, end of story. The Anderson Cooper 360 special on the streets of Manchester was a perfect example of this. He discussed every Republican presidential candidate EXCEPT Ron Paul, even though he was surrounded by a SEA of Ron Paul supporters and signs. I won't even get into Ron Paul's unjust/illogical exclusion from the New Hampshire Republican debate or the fact that the primary vote was conducted on those dubious fraud boxes that we all know and love... :p

My point is that if even half of Ron Paul's primary supporters contributed to the FSP with their time, support, money, and energy it could quickly become a force to be reckoned with. The paradox of voter participation dictates that it would be a simple task to gain control of state and local government as a laughably small sum of people tend to vote in their respective elections, especially during 'off' years.

Everyone might not have the immediate means or desire to move to New Hampshire, but that doesn't mean they can't support the project in other ways (a tirade on a forum full of strangers is a good start :D).

As for me, I'm jumping ship from Kansas political mediocrity, to a place where my ideas, energies, and efforts won't be squandered. I want liberty and meaningful change ASAP. Family, friends, familiarity, and livelihood be damned. Live Free or Die! :)
 
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IMO, the Free State Project is our best chance of having liberty in our lifetime. I used to be doubter of the project, but I recently signed their statement of intent to move because I feel that it's the logical next step in the r3VOLtion. More importantly though, the limited number of activists there ARE affecting change!

The fact is that despite all of the unprecedented hard work, meet ups, money bombs, and publicity stunts by grassroots individuals, Ron Paul's presidential campaign went NOWHERE.


Why? The powers-that-be have a stranglehold on who gets to be selected for president. If you don't play (business as usual) ball, you're cock blocked by the political and media establishment, end of story. The Anderson Cooper 360 special on the streets of Manchester was a perfect example of this. He discussed every Republican presidential candidate EXCEPT Ron Paul, even though he was surrounded by a SEA of Ron Paul supporters and signs. I won't even get into Ron Paul's unjust/illogical exclusion from the New Hampshire Republican debate or the fact that the primary vote was conducted on those dubious fraud boxes that we all know and love... :p

My point is that if even half of Ron Paul's primary supporters contributed to the FSP with their time, support, money, and energy it could quickly become a force to be reckoned with. The paradox of voter participation dictates that it would be a simple task to gain control of state and local government as a laughably small sum of people tend to vote in their respective elections, especially during 'off' years.

Everyone might not have the immediate means or desire to move to New Hampshire, but that doesn't mean they can't support the project in other ways (a tirade on a forum full of strangers is a good start :D).

As for me, I'm jumping ship from Kansas political mediocrity, to a place where my ideas, energies, and efforts won't be squandered. I want liberty and meaningful change ASAP. Family, friends, familiarity, and livelihood be damned. Live Free or Die! :)

Great points. Imagine if all our time, effort, and money went into NH instead of a broad nationwide race where RP had no chance. We would very easily "take over" the state. If you are that adamant against signing the pledge, please at least donate to the effort so the message can get out to those that will.
 
Exactly. Paul didn't campaign too hard over there, McCain campaigned like crazy. If Paul campaigned the same amount McCain did, it would have been another story.

Oh please, supporters inside and outside the RP campaign bet the farm on NH. How many volunteers descended on the state?

How much campaigning was done in Nevada, Montana, Pennsylvania, Maine compared to what was poured into NH?

In hindsight, they should've bet the farm on Montanan to win at least one state and secure a spot at the convention.
 
Oh please, supporters inside and outside the RP campaign bet the farm on NH. How many volunteers descended on the state?

Many would argue that many supporters that came into NH didn't really help at all. Many took an in your face approach to campaigning that ended up not being very effective. My point stands that McCain took out a loan and had over 100 town halls just to win NH, while Ron hardly spent time there and sat on 5 million.

How much campaigning was done in Nevada, Montana, Pennsylvania, Maine compared to what was poured into NH?

The problem with this is that all the campaigns spent more time in NH, not just RP's. Huckabee, McCain, and Romney all ran better campaigns in NH. RP campaigned significantly more in NV, compared to the other candidates, and the results showed.

In hindsight, they should've bet the farm on Montanan to win at least one state and secure a spot at the convention.

Winning one state would have done nothing. RP would have had to win 5 states to secure a spot at the convention, and with a strong showing in NH, he could have done that. Instead, we saw a vastly underfunded Huckabee campaign blasting ads in NH, while Ron's were hardly seen.
 
Pokerface is a protest band. They have always been a protest band..and they were a protest band when they played for your events before...so what/who changed? tones
 
Pokerface is a protest band. They have always been a protest band..and they were a protest band when they played for your events before...so what/who changed? tones

Tom I want to fix a few facts for you:

One the person mentioned is not an FSP board member.
Two the person you mentioned was speaking on his own behalf not on the FSP's behalf.
Three Pokerface played at the 2008 Liberty Forum (And RP spoke at it).

For those who say it is 'too libertarian'... The FSP is what you make of it.
You move to NH to work for a smaller government.. simple as that. Most of the mover are either apolitical or are 'RON Paul Republicans'. Many of us are working within the GOP. Many are working at the town level.

NH has no income tax or sales tax.

For those of you who say a job is stopping you please go post on the FSP forum what type of job you are looking for and then you might be surprised at the help you get.

For those who can't commit to moving for whatever reason... I urge you to sign up as a friend of the FSP.. it commits you to nothing and you get the monthly newsletter.

Feel free to stop by the booth at the Campaign for Liberty. Ask for Dreepa and I would be willing to discuss the pros (and cons) of NH with anyone who is interested. (Tom you can ask me about the Pokerface situation as well)
 
well let me know when they focus on colorado, we are already in the liberty state, if the free project would focus on the co mtns they could accomplish much more!!!!
 
Oh please, supporters inside and outside the RP campaign bet the farm on NH. How many volunteers descended on the state?

How much campaigning was done in Nevada, Montana, Pennsylvania, Maine compared to what was poured into NH?

In hindsight, they should've bet the farm on Montanan to win at least one state and secure a spot at the convention.

Maybe, but I'm not talking about Paul's supporters, but Paul himself. I think more presence there by Paul could only have gained his numbers, and probably by a lot more than the pollsters think.
 
Maybe, but I'm not talking about Paul's supporters, but Paul himself. I think more presence there by Paul could only have gained his numbers, and probably by a lot more than the pollsters think.

In retrospect, this is true.

Campaign Headquarters were semi-useless.
 
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The job situation is actually pretty good in New England--especially New Hampshire. If you have a Chemical, Electrical, or Mechanical Engineering degree, you can land work. Most freestaters have some kind of income on the side other than there job--usually developing websites, handling home maintenance, landscaping, notary, etc. That's just the way things are in NH.

Anyone concerned about the cold should come out to the seacoast. I live in Seabrook, and the winters here are not extreme because we're in the southernmost part of the state and because Seabrook is right on the ocean. Portsmouth and Hampton are almost as good, and rooms are fairly easy to land from October through the end of April. Moreover, there's work here on the coast. Those having trouble looking for work here can make do with employment in Mass for the time being.

Finally, anyone not willing to come up to New England should consider Wyoming out west, or at least move to a proliberty state and get active there. Worst of all are people who do absolutely nothing where they are, but come online and flame libertarians and constitutionalists who are actually doing something.
 
So what's going on. a bevy of Free State People coming onto the forum? I dont see myself moving to NH. It's too north and too cold. I live in Florida. I wouldn't mind N'awlins or Texas..lots of libertarians in texas. tones
 
Max, don't forget to mention the reason Seabrook is so much warmer is that you're all basking in the radioactive glow of Chern, er, the nuclear power plant. ;) Just kidding.
 
well let me know when they focus on colorado, we are already in the liberty state, if the free project would focus on the co mtns they could accomplish much more!!!!

Ok. We've gotten 8500 people committed to move to New Hampshire and 555 of them have done so so far. How many are moving with you to the state of Colorado (which has a population too big, in my opinion, to be swayed by a small number of activists anyway).

As Dreepa said, if you can't move now because of jobs, weather, etc. Sign up as a friend of the FSP. It won't commit you to anything, but you'll start getting the monthly e-newsletter.
 
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