Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[FSP-Rebel]

So what's going on. a bevy of Free State People coming onto the forum? I dont see myself moving to NH. It's too north and too cold. I live in Florida. I wouldn't mind N'awlins or Texas..lots of libertarians in texas. tones

I've addressed the weather situation on page 4... Do me a favor and call into Free Talk Live (M-Sat, 7-10pm; 1-800-259-9231) with your sentiments about the NH winters this week (or next) and run it by the hosts (they moved from FL to NH a couple years ago to work for freedom). I look forward to the discussion... They have 40 affiliates on Saturdays FYI (like the mega stations in Tampa WFLA and Miami WFTL+ other big stations in Indy, WA, SC, Vegas and many more). I'm not trying to bust your balls, but weather shouldn't be a barrier to one's freedom my friend.

 

[Barney]

Maybe, but I'm not talking about Paul's supporters, but Paul himself. I think more presence there by Paul could only have gained his numbers, and probably by a lot more than the pollsters think.

Agreed. But that's true of any state. But keep in mind, the amount of resources it would have cost the campaign to undertake what the volunteers organized. And from what little I saw of them on YouTube, they seemed very intelligent and articulate and not at all belligerent as some has suggested.

Regardless, did Paul spend exorbitant amounts of time in Nevada, Montana, Maine, Washington, Pennsylvania, Louisiana and all the other states that faired better than NH?

I applaud what the FSP is trying to do, but I'm tired of the fallacy that NH is somehow the last bastion of the remnant in the country when it is clearly not true.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Agreed. But that's true of any state. But keep in mind, the amount of resources it would have cost the campaign to undertake what the volunteers organized. And from what little I saw of them on YouTube, they seemed very intelligent and articulate and not at all belligerent as some has suggested.

Regardless, did Paul spend exorbitant amounts of time in Nevada, Montana, Maine, Washington, Pennsylvania, Louisiana and all the other states that faired better than NH?

Comparing any state to NH besides Iowa is a pointless exercise. Did John McCain take out a loan and have 100 town halls to win Montana? No, he did that to win NH. All the campaigns put most of their resources at the time into NH. Unfortunately, RP didn't do too many town halls nor did he spend much money there. The official campaign in NH was nothing more than pathetic. Getting out advertised by a vastly underfunded Huckabee campaign is inexcusable.

You also have to take caucus states vs. primary states into the equation. In caucus states, it's much easier for a candidate with a smaller but enthusiastic base to make a splash, as caucuses reward enthusiasm. When looking at just primary states, NH finished 2nd best, behind Pennsylvania's very impressive 16%.

My point about some of the volunteers stands. RP supporters from NH were coming on the boards suggesting that some of these people tone it down.

 

[nevadamidwife]

two good reasons...

1) snow

2) birthing fascism
http://cfmidwifery.org/states/states.aspx?ST=NH

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

1) snow

You get used to it after the first winter. There have been movers from Arizona and Florida and they have gotten used to it.

2) birthing fascism
http://cfmidwifery.org/states/states.aspx?ST=NH

NH requires licenses on most occupations, but doesn't tax or regulate it beyond that.

There was a activist in NH who successfully fought state licensing on interior designers -- and kept it away for good. She then went on to form a national organization devoted to resisting similar legislation around the country.

What it usually takes to be successful is passion and persistence. You will have plenty of FSP participants backing you up and keeping your persistence alive in NH. And if you have a passion for liberty and keeping your occupation free, you can have a chance at successfully abolishing bad laws.

There was a homeschooling family who decided to move here, although they disliked the NH homescholing laws. After they settled in, they got a representative to sponsor legislation which would reduce the red-tape for homeschoolers. With a lot of work, they were successful in repealing the regulations.

There is a history of successfully fighting & resisting tyranny in NH. It is one of the oldest states, yet arguably the freest. (There are many things to consider when weighing on freedom of a state - more than population and how well Ron Paul did.)

I would love to see the regulatory laws in NH turned around. And I encourage you to join the FSP!

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

i'm going with the cost of moving being an issue........... maybe if we could all have guaranteed jobs? find me one and i'll move.

This was meant to be ironic, right?

 

[G-Wohl]

Frankly, because I hate New England.

Well, on behalf of New England, I wholeheartedly apologize for us having wealth, open-mindedness, culture, sophistication, and the best education institutions in the country.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

i'm going with the cost of moving being an issue........... maybe if we could all have guaranteed jobs? find me one and i'll move.

You could secure a job before moving by posting on the job section on the Free State Project forums and visiting their helpful guide.

Job forums here and job guide here.

 

[Brian]

It's too cold for me.

I would have to work from our Boston office, and pay Massachusetts state income tax. Not to mention the nasty drive to work.

Crappy showing in the primaries.

I have hopes of other regions eventually seceding from the union.

And if you haven't read the Nevada state GOP platform, here it is:

http://stewart-rhodes.blogspot.com/2008/04/repeal-patriot-act-and-military.html

Seems like us desert tortoises have a whole lot more in common with the Revolution than those currently in NH.

 

[Elwar]

I signed up early on, my wife has not. She's from the south and hates the cold...I could tolerate it.

Though she's already talked a few times about leaving the country...if we hit 20k I think I'd be able to fulfill my pledge.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

@Brian. How much to do you know about the project? Your criticisms appear quite standard. I recommend you look around the main website and even participant's websites (like RidleyReport.com, Freestateblogs.net/blog/2 Here's some of the Project's victories, for instance: http://freestateblogs.net/victories06) before you say such things.



@All. In my opinion, here's one more good reason to move:

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Should you move from California to New Hampshire? Not if you're a "liberal moonbat"...
Apparently this woman and her family made a big mistake by moving from southern california to New Hampshire:

"My family and I moved to New Hampshire from Southern California and we can't wait to get the hell out! Where do I even begin with this crappy state?

Okay, let's talk about the weather first. We are in the Milford area in southern NH and the winter here is hell! I can't even tell you how many feet of snow we got last winter. At first you might think it would be charming but by April we were going stir crazy from being stuck in the house.

And if you think shoveling this crap is fun, forget it! After 800th snowfall we all had sore backs and were simply tired of digging our car out of this white mess. And if the snow isn't enough then the sub-zero temperatures and icy roads of death made it even worse.

And we're in southern NH! Not northern NH! Think I'm kidding? Then see this story about last year's record snowfall from the Nashua Telegraph:

Nashuatelegraph.com: Record snowfall closes out 2007 in New England

On top of that the people are cold and distant. They don't like newcomers and there's quite a lot of quiet backstabbing that goes on. Even if they are polite face to face, they will stab you in the back when talking to other natives.

And - as if that wasn't enough - these people are all gun nuts! You see people with pistols strapped to their hips walking around! And it's legal here. Yes, they can do it and the police can't stop them. The entire state is filled with gun toting lunatics.

One of the worst things we saw was a guy in a pickup truck drive by with a dead deer on the hood! The poor thing had blood dripping off of it and this vicious monster drove right by my kids. I could not believe it! And the freaks in this icy hellhole seem to think it's just fine and normal! Apparently they encourage this kind of sick animal violence.

And don't get me started about the property taxes either! They are OUT OF SIGHT!!! I could not believe how much more we paid in taxes here than in southern california. Of course they don't have an income or sales tax...they don't need one! They simply make enough by gouging property owners.

And please don't tell me how "progressive" NH is becoming. I have found it to be the complete opposite. A lot of the so-called Democrats here can be classified as republicans. Some of the democrats are gun nuts too! Aren't democrats supposed to support common sense gun control? This whole place is absolutely insane and I can't wait to get my husband and kids the hell out of here.

Live Free or Die? Ha! Leave, freeze or die is more like it! To heck with this icy wasteland! We are headed back to southern california and we're leaving the deer killers, snotty natives and idiotic gun nuts behind!

Oh and for those of you who think that NH has a low crime rate, you're crazy! There are all kinds of shootings (a cop even got killed) in Manchester, along with home invasions, drug dealers and a very high rate of drug overdose deaths. Maybe there was a time when NH had a low crime rate but not now. I felt safer in southern california than I do in this backward, desolate mess of a state.

On top of all that there are pedophiles galore all over the place. For some reason this state has a higher rate of pedophiles than other states. If you've got kids NH is one of the worst states to bring them to! You better keep an eye on them 24 x 7. And they are also having big trouble with gangs here too. I thought we'd left that behind in california but now it's happening here. MS-13 and other gangs are building their numbers here and crime is on a huge upswing!

And what are these backward hick cops doing about it? Not much. They just seem to be letting it happen. Thanks but no thanks. We are headed out of here and back to California. At least they have semi-effective police there who know how to deal with gangs.

This republican-infested little backwater of a state is filled with cops that don't know their ass from their elbow. So watch out if you decide to move to the state of New Hampshire.

Guns, hunting and the general "Live Free or Die thing didn't go over too well with her and her family."

They are moving back to Southern California from New Hampshire.

 

[porcupine]

and - as if that wasn't enough - these people are all gun nuts! You see people with pistols strapped to their hips walking around! And it's legal here. Yes, they can do it and the police can't stop them. The entire state is filled with gun toting lunatics.

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And please don't tell me how "progressive" nh is becoming. I have found it to be the complete opposite. A lot of the so-called democrats here can be classified as republicans. Some of the democrats are gun nuts too! Aren't democrats supposed to support common sense gun control? This whole place is absolutely insane and i can't wait to get my husband and kids the hell out of here.

lmao!!! ;D love it!

 

[Brian]

@Libertarian Ideals

Don't get me wrong, I have high respect for the FSP.

My FSP T-shirt has been washed so many times I look like a homeless person wearing it with all the holes.

Ya Ridley is awesome. I love his open carry police confrontation vids.

I've been on the FSP email list for several years now.

I actually consulted with one of the guys that started the project on the legal structure when it was being formed. I don't remember his name it was so many years ago. One of those smart Ivy League guys.

NH is just later on my list behind Montana, Alaska, Uruguay, Lakota Nation, etc ...

 

[porcupine]

I actually consulted with one of the guys that started the project on the legal structure when it was being formed. I don't remember his name it was so many years ago. One of those smart Ivy League guys.

Was it Jason Sorens, who at the time was a Yale Ph.D. Candidate?

NH is just later on my list behind Montana, Alaska, Uruguay, Lakota Nation, etc ...

well, Montana and Alaska are definitely among the freest states, but their main problem when it comes to having a liberty movement is size. It can take you 3 hours to meet the closest liberty activists. We've got a very active liberty movement and social scene going and that's something we have on AK and MT.

 

[Libertarian Ideals]

@Libertarian Ideals

Don't get me wrong, I have high respect for the FSP.

My FSP T-shirt has been washed so many times I look like a homeless person wearing it with all the holes.

Ya Ridley is awesome. I love his open carry police confrontation vids.

I've been on the FSP email list for several years now.

I actually consulted with one of the guys that started the project on the legal structure when it was being formed. I don't remember his name it was so many years ago. One of those smart Ivy League guys.

NH is just later on my list behind Montana, Alaska, Uruguay, Lakota Nation, etc ...

To each to his own.

Moving to the Republic of Lakotah would be great (or Alaska), but Lakotah hasn't been officially recognized as an independent nation yet, and I want to do something now.

Oh, and here's a funny fact: Porcupine, South Dakota is the unofficial capitol of the unrecognized Republic of Lakotah. I say it's funny because the porcupine is the mascot of the FSP, chosen because it's representative of the non-aggression principle.

 

[maxxoccupancy]

Any liberty lovers out there who are unable or unwilling to make their way up to NH should consider free county projects. Just get together with other activists and pick a small, libertarian county in your respective state. From there, select a couple of towns that have liberty minded people there. You are less likely to face resistance from natives, and you can accomplish a lot at the local level that would be difficult to do at the local level. Moreover, you're not leaving friends, family, and careers behind. Simply vote on a county, report which one was chosen by the majority, then find a couple of small towns to start focusing in on. You spend your time recruiting smaller government advocates from your state, then work to build a liberty base within that state.

 

[user]

Anyone in Nevada?

 

[porcupine]

As mentioned earlier, at the least, people should sign up as friend of the Free State Project so they can get updates in the e-newsletter. It doesn't commit you to anything.

 

[FTL_Ian]

This and many other comments like it are exactly why I DID move to New Hampshire. I'm sick of being around fair-weather friends of liberty who will talk and talk and talk and do next to nothing. They repeat "give me liberty or give me death" and then say "no kayaking is more important to me." Since I've been in New Hampshire, I've been surrounded by people actively changing the world around them, trying to make America's freest state a truly free state once more. It's invigorating, it's rewarding and it's FUN!

That's awesome. I'm so glad NH is cold. It really keeps out the talkers.

We have and will continue to attract the best activists, and as a result will be the beacon of liberty to the world.

 

[Brian]

@Porcupine:
Possibly. I’m bad with names. I don’t think I was much help as not-for-profit entities aren’t my thing, just pointing him in the right direction.

I already have a network on a tribal reservation in Montana. Are we activists? I believe so in my mind.

Unfortunately, as you say, there isn’t much of a social scene as the town is so small. I just posted on the FSP Forums asking what the best city to live would be if I needed to work in Boston. I have friends in Boston, but being single it would help if there were some single ladies around.

I believe I’m already signed up as a FOFSP.