Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[constituent]

No the purpose of government is not to serve on behalf of the people. It's to secure liberty.

on the federal level, i will agree with you. but that's not what we're talking about is it?

Ever hear of freedom of travel?

yea, i'm all about it. check my posts on immigration.

A coup is a violent overthrow of government

lol.

never heard the phrase "bloodless coup?"

i would venture to guess that our readers have.

and the FSP is absolutely opposed to violence, which you would know if you had read the website.

you speak for everyone? somehow i doubt that.

We're working within the political process (with a great deal of success I might add).

really? which ones?

 

[Alex Libman]

I'm a member, but unfortunately I'm blowing my "First 1000" pledge...

With a million plus non-libertarians in that state, secession or serious political change is unlikely. I do, however, see it as a focal point of free market activism and community. If you're into the hands-on in-person stuff, New Hampshire is the place to be. If not, let Internet be our Free State Project for now.

I do see it as a staging area for something else: free town projects, sea-steading, etc. Heck, I'm sure there'll be a Free Space Station Project someday! All this will obviously require investment of capital, so it's a perfectly reasonable position to stay where you are if you have a solid job / business that can't be moved, and let your money do the talking for you.

Sooner or later, Atlas will shrug!

 

[porcupine]

on the federal level, i will agree with you.

The principle of good government is the same for all governments. The purpose of government is to secure liberty. You don't agree, which is fine. You're not the type of person I'm hoping will join the project (and you wouldn't be able to agree to the statement of intent anyway).

you speak for everyone? somehow i doubt that.

No, it's on our website's FAQ's

Q: What kind of people are not welcome as members of the Free State Project?

A: Anyone who promotes violence, racial hatred, or bigotry is not welcome.




Your posts have made it clear that you're not familiar with the FSP so I'm going to agree to disagree at this point. Our triumphs, challenges, plans and projects are available on YouTube, the various forums which FSP participants frequent and, even better, at our two annual events: PorcFest and The New Hampshire Liberty Forum (which is coming up this March. Ron Paul will probably be speaking at the Liberty Forum for the 3rd time).

 

[constituent]

The principle of good government is the same for all governments. The purpose of government is to secure liberty.

lol @ governments securing liberty. there is a reason the constitution was designed as a restraint upon government and the would be little dictators who seek to run it.

You're not the type of person I'm hoping will join the project.

I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to assume you know what "type" of person i am, you collectivist shill.

...also i understand the subtext of what you're saying here, free thinkers not allowed.

follow, follow, or stfu and gtfo of the way.

No, it's on our website's FAQ's

and as we all know, everyone lives by the faq, right?

lol. you're more diluted than i thought.

Q: What kind of people are not welcome as members of the Free State Project?

A: Anyone who promotes violence, racial hatred, or bigotry is not welcome.

.... guess this gets back to my original point about aggression. you seem to have confused aggression with violence/hatred/bigotry.

[as the blind lead the blind leading the blind]

that said, funny you've postured yourself as thought police already. and to think, you're not even "in charge" yet.

Your posts have made it clear that you're not familiar with the FSP so I'm going to stop feeding the troll at this point.

[lol @ spambot calling me a troll]

actually, i'm quite familiar w/ the FSP as their relentless attempts to recruit from amongst those attracted to rp's candidacy through spamming this board, insulting those who choose not to aide your agenda, and various other means...

i'm also familiar w/ how about this time last year you (as a group) narced out one of your own to the feds...

...seen that one before

.........

btw

still waiting for an answer to the question regarding the political victories you claimed to have achieved....

 

[pacelli]

Ha, after the NH primary... I have my doubts about NH ever being "free" again.

+1

 

[constituent]

If you're into the hands-on in-person stuff, New Hampshire is the place to be. If not, let Internet be our Free State Project for now.

and that's exactly the problem right there.

if you're into the hands-on in-person stuff there is no better place to be than where you are right now.

maybe i'm crazy, but i'll stick w/ reality and the opportunities i've got rather than pursuing someone else's utopian dream, feeding/buying into their delusions of grandeur.

 

[constituent]

Your posts have made it clear that you're not familiar with the FSP so I'm going to agree to disagree at this point. Our triumphs, challenges <snip drivel>

slick move swapping out the insult for a sales pitch.

 

[porcupine]

Just trying to be civil. We disagree on what the role of government is and that's fine.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

and that's exactly the problem right there.

if you're into the hands-on in-person stuff there is no better place to be than where you are right now.

maybe i'm crazy, but i'll stick w/ reality and the opportunities i've got rather than pursuing someone else's utopian dream, feeding/buying into their delusions of grandeur.

"We will challenge them on all fronts - in every state and at all levels of government. Individual liberty must be our goal. Peace and prosperity will follow."

excerpt from "Sneak Peek at Dr. Paul’s Rally for the Republic Speech"
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=393
​

 

[FSP-Rebel]

and that's exactly the problem right there.

if you're into the hands-on in-person stuff there is no better place to be than where you are right now.

maybe i'm crazy, but i'll stick w/ reality and the opportunities i've got rather than pursuing someone else's utopian dream, feeding/buying into their delusions of grandeur.

It has been said that insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Liberty lovers have tried for over 30 years to use the LP as an engine to institute change and what has it gotten us? I applaud everyone for doing something, but we are at odds as to what we think will be the best use of our limited activist resources for the future, which is fine. I, for one, am excited to be going to the Rally and hope to see everyone refreshed for the future.

What kills me is how RP folks can overlook what the national media did on the heels of the NH primary (which is like the main hang-up for most RP supporters). If there is an elitist conspiracy, which many profess, how can they possibly be stopped on a national level (talking about delusions of grandeur)? As I've said before, the prize (control of the Fed) is too great which is why liberty lovers need to consolidate their numbers in one state. I'll always be interested in any success that the C4L can achieve, but it would be nice for non-FSPers to acknowledge the success that NH is having (and will continue to have) in their own right. One of my main draws for moving to NH is to be around many other like-minded folks if and when things get bad economically. Strength in numbers will be important as time goes by... Ron said it himself, there are many many pro-freedom candidates running for office in NH--I would hope the non-interested would at least pay attention to the inevitable success that this will undoubtedly bring about. Don't forget, RP got one of the highest donation %s per capita from NH residents--so don't hate

 

[FTL_Ian]

We have already won. If you love liberty, you should come here and win and live free with us in utopia!

NH Statist exodus in 3, 2, 1...

 

[porcupine]

It has been said that insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Liberty lovers have tried for over 30 years to use the LP as an engine to institute change and what has it gotten us? I applaud everyone for doing something, but we are at odds as to what we think will be the best use of our limited activist resources for the future, which is fine. I, for one, am excited to be going to the Rally and hope to see everyone refreshed for the future.

What kills me is how RP folks can overlook what the national media did on the heels of the NH primary (which is like the main hang-up for most RP supporters). If there is an elitist conspiracy, which many profess, how can they possibly be stopped on a national level (talking about delusions of grandeur)? As I've said before, the prize (control of the Fed) is too great which is why liberty lovers need to consolidate their numbers in one state. I'll always be interested in any success that the C4L can achieve, but it would be nice for non-FSPers to acknowledge the success that NH is having (and will continue to have) in their own right. One of my main draws for moving to NH is to be around many other like-minded folks if and when things get bad economically. Strength in numbers will be important as time goes by... Ron said it himself, there are many many pro-freedom candidates running for office in NH--I would hope the non-interested would at least pay attention to the inevitable success that this will undoubtedly bring about. Don't forget, RP got one of the highest donation %s per capita from NH residents--so don't hate

^this

 

[Dreepa]

When the Free State Project "allows" freedom of speech I'll think about it. You know Pokerface is a Protest Band...they have ALWAYS been a protest band. YOu sacked them due to words on their FORUM...their own private PROPERTY..SHAME ON YOU. You need to purge your board. You are corrupt. NOT to mention the fiasco in the NH primaries. PFFFT. Tones

Tom,

Once again I have to correct you.
One individual said that. And that person was not on the board of the FSP.
The board is not corrupt.

Pokerface was not sacked by the FSP as they were not hired by the FSP.
Pokerface did play at the 2008 FSP Liberty Forum.

Again I would be happy to discuss this in MN if you wish.

constituent--- Some victories:
Stopping LOTS of bad bills
Every Bill is reviewed (nhliberty.org) for good or bad.
Helping reducing town bills by being involved in local towns (budgets are voted by townspeople here in NH)
One FSPer elected to the NH house.
Dozens of FSPers elected at the town level.
Over 100 pro liberty people running for NH House
Over 40 Ron Paulers running for NH House

yes there have been many losses but every week it seems more people move and more locals join the up with 'us'.

If you are in MN feel free to stop by the booth and talk with me...

I have no problem if people don't join the FSP but bashing it when it is just getting started doesn't get anyone anything.
Regarding the primary ..... NH people want to see the candidate in person not just activists knocking on doors. Also NH had the most candidates before they dropped out. In other states Ron didn't get as high as NH even when there were only 2-3 candidates running.
And God Bless ID and PA!

 

[FTL_Ian]

At least one member of Pokerface is a bigot. (The other members either agree or tolerate it.) My friends and I don't care to be around people like that, so they were ostracized.

 

[josephadel_3]

I live in Maine, so a move to NH would be relatively easy. But the thing is I don't want to commit yet. I'm still in college and don't know where I want to live or what kind of job market I'm looking for.

 

[mport1]

Those who are complaining about the lack of success NH is having are missing the point (and as others have pointed out there have been plenty of victories). There will only be success WHEN PEOPLE MOVE. There are only a handful of people there right now. If thousands of activists moved THEN we would see some real changes.

 

[dcatman]

If only a small portion of Ron Paul supporters signed up we could get this done. Wouldn't you want to move if 20,000 other liberty activists were going to be there? Sadly it is looking like the federal government is beyond repair and I think concentrating our efforts in one state would have a much higher chance of success.


http://www.freestateproject.org

This is an easy one....

I used to live in NH... Too freakin cold. No way in hell I'm moving there.

 

[daviddee]

...

 

[V4Vendetta]

Because I don't want to move to New Hampshire and live around nothing but liberals.

 

[porcupine]

I live in Maine, so a move to NH would be relatively easy. But the thing is I don't want to commit yet. I'm still in college and don't know where I want to live or what kind of job market I'm looking for.

If you don't want to commit yet, the best thing to do is to sign up as a "Friend of the FSP." It doesn't commit you to anything, but you'll get our monthly newsletter so you can keep up with the goings on of the Project.

As far as those saying New Hampshire has too many liberals, every place has liberals, but the state as a whole is definitely very libertarian in it's choices. It's the ONLY state to not have a mandatory seat belt law for adults. It has the lowest taxes of the 48 contiguous states (Alaska's are lower because they're subsidized by the feds) and has NO income tax and NO sales tax. It has some of the best gun laws in the country (can open carry anywhere without a license except a courtroom, and licenses are $10 and the form is 2/3 of a page long - and shall issue. No fingerprints or photos can be taken to get the license, and license holders ARE NOT put into a state database. Instead, the licenses are given out locally). The state has great privacy protections too.

I could go on and on and on. It's anything but a liberal state.

Regarding the cold, if not putting on a jacket is more important to you than your freedom, you probably wouldn't fit in with us anyway.