Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[ShowMeLiberty]

I know what you mean about the winters, I usually like the cold, but driving in it just puts me on edge all the time. My commute last winter was about 25 miles, virtually every day I was risking my ass to get to work and back; I moved much closer now thank goodness.

I remember way too many winter mornings wondering if the car would start so I could get to work that day.

WhrrWhrrWhrrWhrr...WhrrWhrrWhrr...Whrr...Wh.... click..click.

 

[Ozwest]

Ha, after the NH primary... I have my doubts about NH ever being "free" again.

Couldn't agree with you more Amistad.

Every time I think of the New Hampshire primary, it feels like a swift kick to the gonads.

 

[Brian Defferding]

I remember way too many winter mornings wondering if the car would start so I could get to work that day.

WhrrWhrrWhrrWhrr...WhrrWhrrWhrr...Whrr...Wh.... click..click.

Ha ha ha! No kidding. You start talking to your car, carressing the dashboard like an old horse finding its muster to ride again. "Come on baby, you can do it. I'll be good to you..."

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I have changed my opinion on the Free STate Project due to the recent events with the band Pokerface. Evidently , the Project has been corrupted because you now can't talk about the zionist neo cons or our entanglements with Israel. They cancelled Pokerface due to comments on their website forum. So, they are playing the politically correct game...which will get this movement absolutely nowhere. Tones

 

[Brian Defferding]

I have changed my opinion on the Free STate Project due to the recent events with the band Pokerface. Evidently , the Project has been corrupted because you now can't talk about the zionist neo cons or our entanglements with Israel. They cancelled Pokerface due to comments on their website forum. So, they are playing the politically correct game...which will get this movement absolutely nowhere. Tones

To be fair, the Free State Project has nothing to do with Israel or foreign relations though. It's more of a localized political effort.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well, here's the deal. If you can't talk about agenda's that are not healthy for the USA because it offends someone on your internet forum...it's not worth bothering with. We have to be able to speak truth..and even locally. Pokerface got blowback for speaking the truth about entangling alliences..and that is part of what we are trying to avoid..I think. Pokerface has been playing at these functions for years...now all of the sudden because a jewish fella is on the board of the Free State project they get cancelled because they spoke out about Israel...I'm just not ok with that. tones

 

[mport1]

Let's keep trying to make every state a truly free state again.

That would be great, but it isn't working. With our limited resources it would be much more effective to concentrate our efforts in one area. Also, the hope is that one we have success in NH, other states will follow our lead seeing the benefits of freedom.

 

[ARealConservative]

It is too Libertarian of an agenda for me.

I want to return to the rule of law we do have, not create a new rule of law.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Well, here's the deal. If you can't talk about agenda's that are not healthy for the USA because it offends someone on your internet forum...it's not worth bothering with. We have to be able to speak truth..and even locally. Pokerface got blowback for speaking the truth about entangling alliences..and that is part of what we are trying to avoid..I think. Pokerface has been playing at these functions for years...now all of the sudden because a jewish fella is on the board of the Free State project they get cancelled because they spoke out about Israel...I'm just not ok with that. tones

It would be bad publicity for the FSP to knowingly book a band that has anti-semite views, just like if they were anti-black, hispanic and on down the line. I feel for Dennis, one of the main band members... But, unlike RP distancing himself from those racist comments in his journal, Dennis keeps being an apologist for his buddy w/o fiercely telling him he's wrong and/or setting him straight. I'm all for free speech, but I can ostracize you for saying things that are distasteful--that's part of reality.

 

[Flash]

I live in Massachusetts so I would like to move to NH someday. I like thier independence party:
http://republicofnh.org/

 

[FSP-Rebel]

And to the few of you who think the FSP failed the Revolution, I have to say I briefly agreed with that assessment for like a week after the primary. However, one must remember that the FSP is still in its infancy. The project officially goes into motion once 20,000 signers are achieved--we just cleared 8500. Though, originally it was thought that 20,000 movers would be necessary. Now, a reassessment of the quality of activists on the ground proves that we're already making great strides for liberty with the 555 activists that have already moved (many more have actually moved but haven't updated the counter, usually because many have signed up years ago and have forgotten their passwords in order to update). Now, it seems that 2000-5000 activists is all that will be needed to really swing NH into a real Libertarian state.

NH has 161 Pro-Freedom candidates running for state rep, check the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance nhliberty.org for the official list. How many Pro-Freedom candidates for the state house does your state have? A handful? Does your state have a group of activists that read and rate every bill that comes before the legislature before the reps even get a chance to see the bills? The NHLA also gives out a yearly report card with each rep's liberty rating, there were 17 reps who achieved A+ status. Do any of you have 17 full-blown Libertarians in your legislature?

Which brings me to the point of NH and the RP Revolution. On a national level, the media plays a mega role in the Prez election. Did we all forget how the media treated Paul leading up to the primary and the racist deal they brought up like the day or two before? The prize on the National level is too great and the elite won't let it go, yall should know.

In regards to those of you who don't like the weather in NH... The Founding Fathers pledged their Lives, their Fortunes and their sacred honor pushing for Independence from the biggest country on earth knowing that if they were caught they'd be hung (many FF's did lose property, fortunes, family members, etc). The Continental Army and the militia endured many a cold winter, especially during Valley Forge. Many soldiers preferred to go home rather than spend a winter freezing in a tent with few blankets, shoes, clothing and rations--but they still stayed the course. Those are what I call Real Patriots. I don't see that same set of cajones from many here on this forum which is dedicated to RP and the ideals of the Founding Fathers. Are you summer patriots only? Sam Adams says, The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks ... It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
The concept of heat has been invented, so I see no excuse. I do understand that many have families and might get homesick being away from them (if you can't persuade them to move for liberty). Somehow, I still think the Founding Fathers and their team of Patriots would look down upon folks that make excuses. Some think that FSPers should be finding them jobs or some of them may be concerned about whether or not they'll still be able to make the exact same living in NH... To them I say, again from Sam Adams... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

We'll see who the Real Patriots are...

 

[mport1]

and to the few of you who think the fsp failed the revolution, i have to say i briefly agreed with that assessment for like a week after the primary. However, one must remember that the fsp is still in its infancy. The project officially goes into motion once 20,000 signers are achieved--we just cleared 8500. Though, originally it was thought that 20,000 movers would be necessary. Now, a reassessment of the quality of activists on the ground proves that we're already making great strides for liberty with the 555 activists that have already moved (many more have actually moved but haven't updated the counter, usually because many have signed up years ago and have forgotten their passwords in order to update). Now, it seems that 2000-5000 activists is all that will be needed to really swing nh into a real libertarian state.

Nh has 161 pro-freedom candidates running for state rep, check the new hampshire liberty alliance nhliberty.org for the official list. How many pro-freedom candidates for the state house does your state have? A handful? Does your state have a group of activists that read and rate every bill that comes before the legislature before the reps even get a chance to see the bills? The nhla also gives out a yearly report card with each rep's liberty rating, there were 17 reps who achieved a+ status. Do any of you have 17 full-blown libertarians in your legislature?

Which brings me to the point of nh and the rp revolution. On a national level, the media plays a mega role in the prez election. Did we all forget how the media treated paul leading up to the primary and the racist deal they brought up like the day or two before? The prize on the national level is too great and the elite won't let it go, yall should know.

In regards to those of you who don't like the weather in nh... The founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor pushing for independence from the biggest country on earth knowing that if they were caught they'd be hung (many ff's did lose property, fortunes, family members, etc). The continental army and the militia endured many a cold winter, especially during valley forge. Many soldiers preferred to go home rather than spend a winter freezing in a tent with few blankets, shoes, clothing and rations--but they still stayed the course. Those are what i call real patriots. I don't see that same set of cajones from many here on this forum which is dedicated to rp and the ideals of the founding fathers. Are you summer patriots only? Sam adams says, the liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks ... It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
the concept of heat has been invented, so i see no excuse. I do understand that many have families and might get homesick being away from them (if you can't persuade them to move for liberty). Somehow, i still think the founding fathers and their team of patriots would look down upon folks that make excuses. Some think that fspers should be finding them jobs or some of them may be concerned about whether or not they'll still be able to make the exact same living in nh... To them i say, again from sam adams... if ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

we'll see who the real patriots are...

+100

 

[error]

From my understanding of the Pokerface situation, they were asked not to come because of overt racism. The FSP doesn't want racists or even the appearance of racism, and Pokerface failed to allay the FSP's concerns about racist statements made by band members.

The FSP's official position is that: "Anyone who promotes violence, racial hatred, or bigotry is not welcome."

 

[error]

Now for something important.

Sure, we didn't win the primary in New Hampshire, despite having all kinds of people on the ground here from all over the country. Blaming this on the FSP misses the mark, though. The real reason Ron Paul lost NH was that the campaign screwed up. We even warned them, months before the primary, that they were going to lose and needed to change their strategy. They did not. That RP got as high as he did in New Hampshire, despite the campaign screwing up, is a testament to the hard work of FSP members and OLFOD participants who dropped their lives for a month or more to come here. But we always knew we couldn't do it alone, and the campaign failed to come through and do what was necessary to win.

 

[Ozwest]

Now for something important.

Sure, we didn't win the primary in New Hampshire, despite having all kinds of people on the ground here from all over the country. Blaming this on the FSP misses the mark, though. The real reason Ron Paul lost NH was that the campaign screwed up. We even warned them, months before the primary, that they were going to lose and needed to change their strategy. They did not. That RP got as high as he did in New Hampshire, despite the campaign screwing up, is a testament to the hard work of FSP members and OLFOD participants who dropped their lives for a month or more to come here. But we always knew we couldn't do it alone, and the campaign failed to come through and do what was necessary to win.

Thank you for your endeavor.

I spent every spare hour of my life following the campaign from Australia.

There was so much hope...

And then it died. Big time.

Live Free or Die... Died.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

The primary reason we lost NH was John McCain took out a loan to win and had over 100 town halls there. Meanwhile, Ron's town halls were few and far between and he sat on over 5 million. To blame the people of NH or the FSP is not looking at the facts.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

I'd much rather move west. Colorado seems to be ripe for Free State Project II.

 

[porcupine]

i'm going with the cost of moving being an issue........... maybe if we could all have guaranteed jobs? find me one and i'll move.

There is no way I would move to New Hampshire. Nice state, but I prefer being able to kayak in January without a wetsuit.

This and many other comments like it are exactly why I DID move to New Hampshire. I'm sick of being around fair-weather friends of liberty who will talk and talk and talk and do next to nothing. They repeat "give me liberty or give me death" and then say "no kayaking is more important to me." Since I've been in New Hampshire, I've been surrounded by people actively changing the world around them, trying to make America's freest state a truly free state once more. It's invigorating, it's rewarding and it's FUN!


We're making good progress. We should have medical MJ within 2 years (something 85% of Dems in NH and 56% of Repubs in NH support) and have already opted out of Real ID. The Dems took over the state in 2006 because of anger over the Iraq War (this state is pretty anti-war) and straight ticket voting (which we've successfully gotten rid of in time for this election). As Ron Paul said at the Revolution March, we have more than 50 Ron Paul supporters running for state rep, so there is plenty to do (how many are running in YOUR state?)

As far as the excuse that Ron Paul didn't win the primary, two things. First, New Hampshire was Paul's 2nd best primary, so it wasn't a bad showing at all. No he didn't win, but if you recall, he, um, didn't win anywhere. That's part of what the FSP is going to FIX because as Ron Paul's race showed, our current strategy of being spread out and disunited is failing miserably. Second, how well did he do in your state?

Do you honestly have a chance to make a difference in your state? If yes, good. If not, what are you waiting for??! Move!

 

[turbosaab]

I am moving next month...

The FSP is a great opportunity to be part of a community of individuals who care about liberty and to effect meaningful change at a local level (and also enjoy the many freedoms that NH already offers).

I'd followed FSP online for quite a while, but it wasn't until I stopped by their summer gathering ("Porcfest") for a few days in June that I decided to make the move. If you have any interest at all you owe it to yourself to check out the Liberty Forum in the winter or Porcfest next summer. If nothing else you will enjoy a vacation and meet great people... but fair warning, most who see it for themselves end up moving.

P.S. Nothing is perfect, winter is only a few months out of the year.

 

[Brian Defferding]

The primary reason we lost NH was John McCain took out a loan to win and had over 100 town halls there. Meanwhile, Ron's town halls were few and far between and he sat on over 5 million. To blame the people of NH or the FSP is not looking at the facts.

Exactly. Paul didn't campaign too hard over there, McCain campaigned like crazy. If Paul campaigned the same amount McCain did, it would have been another story.