Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[FTL_Ian]

Yes, please, if you are a racist or bigot, please stay out of NH. Thank you.

 

[Flash]

I hope the people that won't come to NH because of the weather will consider other options like seasteading.

That's only a viable option if you're a multi-millionaire.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Yes, please, if you are a racist or bigot, please stay out of NH. Thank you.

Ah, but you cannot determine WHO moves to NH and what they believe in. Some call me a "bigot" and a "racist" even though I have married into a race other than my own and our son is mixed blood. I see differences in the races both genetically and culturally. These differences are pretty clear to anyone who wants to openly review the evidence. There are others, though, who wish to lie to themselves and to the world and claim that all races are the same. If this were true, the Asians wouldn't be the ping-pong champions (as well as math champions), the Germans wouldn't be the best machinists, and the African races wouldn't be the best at track and basketball.

Of course, none of this means that there can't be exceptions. Genetic "traits" are just that, traits. Even though the "trait" of Asians is to be short, that doesn't mean that there can't be a Yao Ming once in a while...

As I've said for a long time now Ian, you love to exclude people from something called "Liberty Lovers" but many of those you exclude are at least as deserving of the term as you are.

We will never be successful in promoting "Liberty" until we develop the BIG TENT philosophy (yeah, even including people you don't like...)

 

[Flash]

@FTL_Ian, what is your updated view on Rand Paul? If I'm not mistaken you were rather critical of him WHILE he was campaigning. But now he's in office and he's opposing the Patriot Act, speaking out against the military budget and wars, trying to cut spending, etc.. it seems to me like he's a pretty good libertarian.

Ah, but you cannot determine WHO moves to NH and what they believe in. Some call me a "bigot" and a "racist" even though I have married into a race other than my own and our son is mixed blood. I see differences in the races both genetically and culturally. These differences are pretty clear to anyone who wants to openly review the evidence. There are others, though, who wish to lie to themselves and to the world and claim that all races are the same. If this were true, the Asians wouldn't be the ping-pong champions (as well as math champions), the Germans wouldn't be the best machinists, and the African races wouldn't be the best at track and basketball.

Of course, none of this means that there can't be exceptions. Genetic "traits" are just that, traits. Even though the "trait" of Asians is to be short, that doesn't mean that there can't be a Yao Ming once in a while...

As I've said for a long time now Ian, you love to exclude people from something called "Liberty Lovers" but many of those you exclude are at least as deserving of the term as you are.

We will never be successful in promoting "Liberty" until we develop the BIG TENT philosophy (yeah, even including people you don't like...)

I think most of what you've described has to do more with culture than genetics. Asians tend to take ping pong more seriously than Westerners. In fact east asian'ers tend to take a lot of things more seriously, ever see their starcraft competitions? Germans and northern euros in general tend to have more capitalistic governments than Mediterraneans which could explain why there are so many Nordic entrepreneurs. I don't think they're superior than southern euros but I do think their governments' policies allow more room for the market to function. Plus I'm not so so sure Asians are good at math. I know Chinese & Japanese are, but what the other Mongolids? Like vietnamese, cambodians etc.. do they also tend to be math wizards?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

@FTL_Ian, what is your updated view on Rand Paul? If I'm not mistaken you were rather critical of him WHILE he was campaigning. But now he's in office and he's opposing the Patriot Act, speaking out against the military budget and wars, trying to cut spending, etc.. it seems to me like he's a pretty good libertarian.

Haha... I used to call in to his radio show and tell him that Rand was just keeping some of his liberty views on the QT and he would shine if we got him elected, but Ian did not believe it...

I think most of what you've described has to do more with culture than genetics. Asians tend to take ping pong more seriously than Westerners. In fact east asian'ers tend to take a lot of things more seriously, ever see their starcraft competitions? Germans and northern euros in general tend to have more capitalistic governments than Mediterraneans which could explain why there are so many Nordic entrepreneurs. I don't think they're superior than southern euros but I do think their governments' policies allow more room for the market to function. Plus I'm not so so sure Asians are good at math. I know Chinese & Japanese are, but what the other Mongolids? Like vietnamese, cambodians etc.. do they also tend to be math wizards?

I really can't say as I have not done any studies and I can't cite any. I'm just using personal observations and my memory of things I've seen written by others. It may be that the math thing is not genetic, but then again, it may be. The things I'm citing are traits and by no means 100% accurate. The "trait" may only represent a 5% increase in math ability over another race, but I still feel that there's enough observational and test data to support this claim...

 

[MelissaWV]

Most of the things you are talking about are not "genetic" so much as they are cultural. Certain cultures are absolutely rabid about certain kinds of learning. Others... not so much. You'll find in some Asian countries that the push to succeed in math and science is borderline insane, but the flipside is that there are a lot who burn out or even off themselves.

The further removed from a culture of expecting excellence, the more it depends on the "child" motivating himself to learn. That meets with mixed results.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Of course there are many who will try to explain all the racial differences as "culture", but that cannot explain all the differences. I guess it's "culture" that makes blacks so much better at basketball than whites...

Of course, on the flip side, I'm NOT trying to state that all differences are genetic. I know that many (perhaps most) of the differences are because of culture. However, that does not explain all the differences...

 

[FTL_Ian]

It's not that I didn't believe it. I don't know what to believe when a politician speaks. I just said that if he really is principled and is going to reveal that after he gets elected, I don't support that, as he like so many politicians lied to get into office. I can't endorse duplicity. If he's actually working to reduce government, that's great!

 

[JCF]

Family.

I have no problem separating from mine, but my girlfriend is incredibly attached to hers and they ALL live in California & Oregon. Now, of course, I haven't ever offered, I'm just assuming she would say "no." I'll ask her tonight.

Passion and love aside, breaking up with her would be a pretty damn stupid mistake.

 

[mediahasyou]

Of course there are many who will try to explain all the racial differences as "culture", but that cannot explain all the differences. I guess it's "culture" that makes blacks so much better at basketball than whites...

Of course, on the flip side, I'm NOT trying to state that all differences are genetic. I know that many (perhaps most) of the differences are because of culture. However, that does not explain all the differences...

In a biological sense, there are no races. Using the definition of race as a group of people sharing the same traits, there is alot of trait variation within the human population, but race groups do not exist.

http://www.google.com/search?source...i=g-c1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=67dcf4234247bfc3

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

In a biological sense, there are no races. Using the definition of race as a group of people sharing the same traits, there is alot of trait variation within the human population, but race groups do not exist.

http://www.google.com/search?source...i=g-c1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=67dcf4234247bfc3

That's true. What we generally refer to as "racial" differences when speaking of humans, is nothing more than genetic traits. Now that we agree on that, I think we can also agree that it is common in the English language to refer to different "traits" in the human race, as "race". It may be an imperfect definition, but it is a common one and understood by most.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

It's not that I didn't believe it. I don't know what to believe when a politician speaks. I just said that if he really is principled and is going to reveal that after he gets elected, I don't support that, as he like so many politicians lied to get into office. I can't endorse duplicity. If he's actually working to reduce government, that's great!

Yes, and I applaud him for his shrewdness. You may call it deception, but I did not see anything he said during his campaign as deceptive. He merely "played his cards close to his vest". He never stated that his goal was to promote war, he merely stated (as I recall) that he believes in a strong defense. So do I. I think the strongest "defense" is for each to bear arms. Now that he's in a position where he "might" be able to make some inroads for liberty, I am very pleased that I supported him in his trek. Too bad you did everything in your power to make him out to be a warmonger and an enemy of liberty - SHAME ON YOU !!!

 

[mport1]

Glad to see this thread is still alive and well Now more than ever I hope people consider signing up for the FSP.

 

[FTL_Ian]

Yes, and I applaud him for his shrewdness. You may call it deception, but I did not see anything he said during his campaign as deceptive. He merely "played his cards close to his vest". He never stated that his goal was to promote war, he merely stated (as I recall) that he believes in a strong defense. So do I. I think the strongest "defense" is for each to bear arms. Now that he's in a position where he "might" be able to make some inroads for liberty, I am very pleased that I supported him in his trek. Too bad you did everything in your power to make him out to be a warmonger and an enemy of liberty - SHAME ON YOU !!!

I merely read his own war and border-enforcement-supporting words. Would Jesus have lied, Gene?

 

[mport1]

Gene, please call back into FTL. I miss your calls. You often had very interesting things to say.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Gene, please call back into FTL. I miss your calls. You often had very interesting things to say.

Sorry, I'm through with waiting on hold for hours while Ian lets others go before me. I'm still toying with the idea of visiting NH though. Not sure I'm welcome there, being that I'm so illogical and all...

I would have to put up with the likes of Ian saying that holding your cards close to your vest is telling a lie and that even Jesus wouldn't have held information back (even though there's plenty of evidence that He did). I find that liberty activists all over the country are much more friendly than the group that seems to have gravitated to NH.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Originally Posted by FTL_Ian
That's right. That's the appropriate part of your posts. The rest of them focus on your issues with how I run my radio show. That should be a separate thread.

I don't know which "friends" you are referring to. If you are talking about the BBS people, they are mostly not in NH. I hardly even go there myself.

The people I know in NH are the nicest most accepting folks I've ever met. Had you bothered to research outside the FTL BBS, maybe you'd have found that out for yourself.

I have friends here who are christians and some of them are co-hosts on my radio show, like Michele Seven, Nick Ryder, and Wayne Quin.

Hopefully the people reading this can see clearly that you did not visit NH-based forums to form your opinions, you certainly didn't visit NH and meet the activists, and that you chose to bias your decision to not move to NH based on the fact that you have a personal beef with a few of the approx 10,500 members.

Apparently you just "glossed over" the part about being known by the company one keeps? You have appointed the most vile people on your BBS as MODERATORS?? The ones who post the most attacks and would probably be banned at any decent forum (you will notice they don't show their heads here). This really calls into question your judgment if nothing else...

A further update on the petty behavior that goes on in the FTL forums. I "locked" my thread because there was a complaint about how long it was and I stated that now it would not get any longer but rather fade into the nether pages where anyone can search and find posts therein. This apparently did not please someone who has moderator status (BJoe I would guess) and they completely deleted my thread. It was without question one of the largest threads on that forum with many serious posts and many BS posts. The only reason it was deleted (I would imagine) was because of the subject being a belief in God. The atheists and agnostics who seem to run rough-shod over any who dare to challenge their beliefs (and who have been given moderator status by Ian) do not like anyone who believes in a Creator...

It seems at the FTL forums, the inmates are running the place ...

 

[FTL_Ian]

Gene,

I'm not sure why you are posting this off-topic post here, but Boner Joe has been stripped of his moderator powers over this. I had asked him to leave you alone and he didn't.

Hope that helps.
Ian

 

[MelissaWV]

lol... Boner.

 

[Flash]

In a biological sense, there are no races. Using the definition of race as a group of people sharing the same traits, there is alot of trait variation within the human population, but race groups do not exist.

http://www.google.com/search?source...i=g-c1g-o1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=67dcf4234247bfc3

I think that's a bunch of nonsense. There are at least five human races that can clearly be identified by any Human.
http://racialreality.110mb.com/
http://racialreality.110mb.com/racesofman.html

There may be small differences, relatively speaking, between races. Yet races are still there.