Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

[Swordsmyth]

That's hardcore man... lol

You gotta go hardcore if you want liberty to last after we restore it.

 

[TheCount]

I agree but many of them would have gone into some other actually criminal line of work and ended up as felons anyway.

I am all for total restoration of rights to a pristine state for fake crimes but allowing actual felons to vote WHILE INCARCERATED is beyond insanity, I am against letting actual felons vote after they get out because they have demonstrated their moral turpitude.

The SS's posts throughout this thread, the above the most egregious example, are the end state of any worldview in which it is believed that a man's nature is somehow innate and unchangeable. Criminals are criminals because they are criminals. They were born to be criminals, and even if they were not jailed for one crime, it is inevitable that they would be jailed for another, because they are criminals.

It's a perfect tautology.

 

[TheCount]

I think just eliminating anyone who gets a penny of government money (except the military)

LOL

 

[ATruepatriot]

You gotta go hardcore if you want liberty to last after we restore it.

John Wayne in the movie Rooster Cogburn said after a fight with the strong headed Katharine Hepburn... "God help us if they ever give them the vote!"

 

[Swordsmyth]

The SS's posts throughout this thread, the above the most egregious example, are the end state of any worldview in which it is believed that a man's nature is somehow innate and unchangeable. Criminals are criminals because they are criminals. They were born to be criminals, and even if they were not jailed for one crime, it is inevitable that they would be jailed for another, because they are criminals.

It's a perfect tautology.

That's garbage, these people have shown that they wanted easy money whether it was illegal or not, many of them would have gone into other kinds of crime if drugs were legal and not a source of easy money.

I also say over and over that they should be restored to pristine status if they were convicted of fake crimes and then those that would not have gone to prison for something else will not and they will be allowed to vote.

 

[Swordsmyth]

John Wayne in the movie Rooster Cogburn said after a fight with the strong headed Katharine Hepburn... "God help us if they ever give them the vote!"

And he was absolutely right.

 

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

So you think people should be sent to kill and die by leaders they had no say in choosing?

 

[TheCount]

So you think people should be sent to kill and die by leaders they had no say in choosing?

So you think that all functions of the government should be fulfilled by the military?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So you think that all functions of the government should be fulfilled by the military?

Where did I say anything like that?

 

[TheCount]

these people have shown that they wanted easy money whether it was illegal or not, many of them would have gone into other kinds of crime if drugs were legal and not a source of easy money.

You just agreed that it shouldn't be or have been illegal.

I also say over and over that they should be restored to pristine status if they were convicted of fake crimes and then those that would not have gone to prison for something else will not and they will be allowed to vote.

This is where you, a statist, want to give the government the power to decide who should be able to vote and who should not be able to vote based upon something that is entirely arbitrary.


To your post and worldview I say:

That's garbage

 

[TheCount]

Where did I say anything like that?

You can find the answer to your question in the same place where I said anything like this:

So you think people should be sent to kill and die by leaders they had no say in choosing?

 

[Swordsmyth]

You just agreed that it shouldn't be or have been illegal.

So?
Their attitude towards the law is what matters, making something illegal usually makes it outrageously profitable and those who have criminal tendencies are attracted to it.
If drugs weren't illegal many of those convicted of drug crimes would have done something that should be illegal like burglary to chase easy money.

This is where you, a statist, want to give the government the power to decide who should be able to vote and who should not be able to vote based upon something that is entirely arbitrary.

It's not arbitrary, people with criminal tendencies vote for criminal government to do their stealing for them and to go soft on their actual crimes, they should not be able to do so if you care about the liberty of the citizens.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You can find the answer to your question in the same place where I said anything like this:

You laughed at the idea of allowing the military to vote as the single exception to the rule that those who receive government money can't vote.

Just what do you mean by that?
Are you saying that others who receive government money should be able to vote even though they have a conflict of interest?
Or are you saying that people who will be sent to kill and die should have no say in the people who will make that decision?

 

[pcosmar]

The SS's posts throughout this thread, the above the most egregious example, are the end state of any worldview in which it is believed that a man's nature is somehow innate and unchangeable. Criminals are criminals because they are criminals. They were born to be criminals, and even if they were not jailed for one crime, it is inevitable that they would be jailed for another, because they are criminals.

It's a perfect tautology.

It is the De Humanizing necessary to be a Guard..

And I knew men that couldn't do that,,, and became something else.

 

[TheCount]

So?
Their attitude towards the law is what matters

Statist.

If drugs weren't illegal many of those convicted of drug crimes would have done something that should be illegal like burglary to chase easy money.

That's garbage

It's not arbitrary, people with criminal tendencies vote for criminal government to do their stealing for them and to go soft on their actual crimes, they should not be able to do so if you care about the liberty of the citizens.

Will people who receive speeding tickets lose their voting rights?

How about infractions for littering?

Smoking in a non-smoking area?

 

[TheCount]

It is the De Humanizing necessary to be a Guard..

And I knew men that couldn't do that,,, and became something else.

It's clear that he believes himself to be his neighbor's keeper and greatly desires the power to lord over him in every way.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Statist.

LOL
Not wanting people who have criminal tendencies to vote for criminal government doesn't make me a statist.
Wanting them to makes YOU one.

Will people who receive speeding tickets lose their voting rights?

How about infractions for littering?

Smoking in a non-smoking area?

Are those legitimate felonies?

 

[Swordsmyth]

It is the De Humanizing necessary to be a Guard..

And I knew men that couldn't do that,,, and became something else.

It's clear that he believes himself to be his neighbor's keeper and greatly desires the power to lord over him in every way.

LOL

I'm talking about how to preserve everyone's rights and keep people from being elected who want what you idiotically accuse me of.

[h=1]Isaiah 5:20[/h] “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

King James Version (KJV)

 

[TheCount]

You laughed at the idea of allowing the military to vote as the single exception to the rule that those who receive government money can't vote.

Just what do you mean by that?
Are you saying that others who receive government money should be able to vote even though they have a conflict of interest?
Or are you saying that people who will be sent to kill and die should have no say in the people who will make that decision?

If you don't want me to put words in your mouth, don't put yours in mine.



Take a moment to think about the end state of the system that you suggest to create. In a country in which the members of the military have more political power than other members of the government, what will happen? Let me offer two possibilities and you can tell me which is more realistic:

1) The government gives up its power voluntarily
2) The government maintains its power by growing the military to such a size that it constitutes the entire government

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you don't want me to put words in your mouth, don't put yours in mine.



Take a moment to think about the end state of the system that you suggest to create. In a country in which the members of the military have more political power than other members of the government, what will happen? Let me offer two possibilities and you can tell me which is more realistic:

1) The government gives up its power voluntarily
2) The government maintains its power by growing the military to such a size that it constitutes the entire government

3 There are far more civilians who vote to limit government.