Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

[Swordsmyth]

The statistics from them not voting,, or the statistics of the possibility of them voting?

or what thay might have said they voted before they were locked up? (known as hearsay)

I call Bull$hit again..

Can not have a statistical record of something that hasn't happened.

There are states that let them vote, one or two even let them vote from inside, we can see how they vote.

 

[pcosmar]

"We"

You have a lot of access to Prison Files?

Read Mine?

My Voting rights were restored at the end of my sentence.. as is usual,, Some states automatically,, and some you must request .

voting while awaiting trial is another issue.. and the Main issue originally.. Especially with the Massive amount of people awaiting Trial in Crowed County Jails .

 

[Anti Federalist]

I know how to put the brakes on this...

Hey Lefties...you really want these guys voting in prison?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I know how to put the brakes on this...

Hey Lefties...you really want these guys voting in prison?

They do want them voting from prison, just imagine the news stories that can be written about how they vote for Trump or Rand etc.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They do want them voting from prison, just imagine the news stories that can be written about how they vote for Trump or Rand etc.

So it will only be a matter time before you'll be able to vote from prison... IF ... you vote the correct way.

About how I figured all of this would turn out, LOL.

 

[invisible]

Interesting pictures, I didn't know that trump had meetup groups! Or perhaps those are your new friends. Oh, I get it! Those must be the leftists that you're so afraid of!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Interesting pictures, I didn't know that trump had meetup groups! Or perhaps those are your new friends. Oh, I get it! Those must be the leftists that you're so afraid of!

Could be, since the NAZI party, politically, was a leftist party, intent on enacting and enforcing any number of health, safety and social fatwas.

So, while still in prison, you figure those guys have a totally equal say so in how much money is extorted from you every day?

Who we go to endless war with?

Who gets appointed to issue those endless fatwas and rules and enforce them on you at the barrel of gun?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Interesting pictures, I didn't know that trump had meetup groups! Or perhaps those are your new friends. Oh, I get it! Those must be the leftists that you're so afraid of!

I don't want them determining public policy.


YOU do.

 

[invisible]

I don't like their political beliefs any more than I like those of you two police state shylls. I wouldn't want to take away their ability to vote, any more than I would want to take away yours, or anyone else's. I don't like leftists trying to use the force of government to steal money from me for wealth redistribution schemes, any more than I like you trying to use the force of givernment steal money from me to expand the police state that you shyll for. In a free society, people can believe what they like, and vote how they like.

 

[pcosmar]

So it will only be a matter time before you'll be able to vote from prison...

getting to where I can't tell the difference.

a bunch of Tax Slaves voting for the new Master ,,,,Hoping he will be kinder than the last.

It is all circling the drain.. Keep your politics Local. Keep the peace Local..

Fed is on the way of disaster. and the sooner the better. FUBAR

 

[Swordsmyth]

I don't like their political beliefs any more than I like those of you two police state shylls. I wouldn't want to take away their ability to vote, any more than I would want to take away yours, or anyone else's. I don't like leftists trying to use the force of government to steal money from me for wealth redistribution schemes, any more than I like you trying to use the force of givernment steal money from me to expand the police state that you shyll for. In a free society, people can believe what they like, and vote how they like.

In a free society people can vote to use the government to steal from me?

Besides being a small d democrat are you also a big D Democrat?

It is no more unjust to deny those with proven criminal tendencies the vote than it is to enshrine human rights in the Constitution and forbid laws that violate them.

 

[pcosmar]

I know how to put the brakes on this...

Hey Lefties...you really want these guys voting in prison?

I think they still have a contract on me.

I never heard about it being rescinded.. but possible.

They were a power Block that it was necessary to deal with.
as in.,,

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

the Romans 13 Indictment.

 

[UWDude]

It's not universal suffrage, if everyone is not allowed to vote.

We have to let literal retards vote, therefore, we also have to let "felons" vote.

Because I'd rather an intelligent felon vote, than a stupid retard.

I've seen enough American justice horror stories, to know
1) many felons are innocent, and when comparing to wealthy (literally privileged), are only guilty of not being able to afford a Lawyer.
2) many laws are bad in the first place.
3) many felons fell on hard times, and regret what they did.
4) many felons I know, one a scale of white to black, are conservative. Meaning black felons tend to not be conservative, if opinionated at all

It's weird, it doesn't make sense, by try discussing politics with ex cons. They are often quite conservative, at least in their talk.
They often fall back into drugs, and especially alcohol, and then the liberal comes out. But when they are living the "reformed" life, their opinions are conservative.

I think 1) they usually feel their sentence was light, compared to what they did.
2) It makes them have a "take charge" mentality, a kind of psych up to keep them disciplined on on the straight and narrow.

I dunno, this subject isn't as simple as it seems on the surface.
Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of mostly men, can not vote, even though they had non-violent felonies.

Murder and voter fraud should be the only to ways to lose the right to vote, since they both take the right to vote from someone else.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's not universal suffrage, if everyone is not allowed to vote.

We have to let literal retards vote, therefore, we also have to let "felons" vote.

Because I'd rather an intelligent felon vote, than a stupid retard.

I'd rather eliminate anyone from the voter pool that I can who is likely to vote for big government theft.
If we can take the vote away from retards I'll be for that too.
We can't swap felons for retards and I would need to see the numbers to decide if that was a good deal if we could.

 

[pcosmar]

I'd rather eliminate anyone from the voter pool that I can who is likely to vote for big government theft.
If we can take the vote away from retards I'll be for that too.
We can't swap felons for retards and I would need to see the numbers to decide if that was a good deal if we could.

So Basically anyone that votes for the approved party is allowed to vote.

why does that sound familiar?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So Basically anyone that votes for the approved party is allowed to vote.

why does that sound familiar?

No, anyone who votes within the spectrum of liberty is allowed to vote, others are even allowed to vote if there is not a good reason for eliminating them from the voter pool.

The whole point of our Constitutional Republic is to limit what the people may do with government, it is no more unjust to deny those with proven criminal tendencies the vote than it is to enshrine human rights in the Constitution and forbid laws that violate them.

 

[pcosmar]

No, anyone who votes within the spectrum of liberty is allowed to vote, others are even allowed to vote if there is not a good reason for eliminating them from the voter pool.

The whole point of our Constitutional Republic is to limit what the people may do with government, it is no more unjust to deny those with proven criminal tendencies the vote than it is to enshrine human rights in the Constitution and forbid laws that violate them.

Why not just limit what voters Can and can Not do with the Vote.. to prevent that regardless of who votes?

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's not universal suffrage, if everyone is not allowed to vote.

We have to let literal retards vote, therefore, we also have to let "felons" vote.

Because I'd rather an intelligent felon vote, than a stupid retard.

I've seen enough American justice horror stories, to know
1) many felons are innocent, and when comparing to wealthy (literally privileged), are only guilty of not being able to afford a Lawyer.
2) many laws are bad in the first place.
3) many felons fell on hard times, and regret what they did.
4) many felons I know, one a scale of white to black, are conservative. Meaning black felons tend to not be conservative, if opinionated at all

It's weird, it doesn't make sense, by try discussing politics with ex cons. They are often quite conservative, at least in their talk.
They often fall back into drugs, and especially alcohol, and then the liberal comes out. But when they are living the "reformed" life, their opinions are conservative.

I think 1) they usually feel their sentence was light, compared to what they did.
2) It makes them have a "take charge" mentality, a kind of psych up to keep them disciplined on on the straight and narrow.

I dunno, this subject isn't as simple as it seems on the surface.
Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of mostly men, can not vote, even though they had non-violent felonies.

Murder and voter fraud should be the only to ways to lose the right to vote, since they both take the right to vote from someone else.

Anyone falsely convicted should have their vote restored, anyone convicted of "crimes" that shouldn't be crimes should have their vote restored.
Those who have committed actual crimes have demonstrated criminal tendencies and their voting patterns reflect that, they should not be allowed to vote.

Murder and voter fraud should both be punished with death (requiring the highest level of proof).

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why not just limit what voters Can and can Not do with the Vote.. to prevent that regardless of who votes?

Because that invites political repression about subjects on which voters can have legitimate differences of opinion, if you are going to go that route you might as well just have a monarchy and force everyone to be ruled as the king sees fit.

However the Constitution was an attempt to do that about certain limited subjects and it was a very good thing, we might add a few subjects to the list of things that voters and their representatives have reduced say about.(the Constitution can be amended)

 

[pcosmar]

Anyone falsely convicted should have their vote restored, anyone convicted of "crimes" that shouldn't be crimes should have their vote restored.
Those who have committed actual crimes have demonstrated criminal tendencies and their voting patterns reflect that, they should not be allowed to vote.

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Who decides? I knew Dozens.. absolutely should not have been there.. One was Picked Up off the Yard by Federal Marshals and escorted out... He Didn't do it.. (had been there 6 months on a Life sentence)

so again,, who decides??
The same people that Falsely Imprisoned Him?

By your standard I should not have been allowed to vote for Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin.