Why are the Bolsheviks pushing for felon's voting restoration?

[Swordsmyth]

Who decides? I knew Dozens.. absolutely should not have been there.. One was Picked Up off the Yard by Federal Marshals and escorted out... He Didn't do it.. (had been there 6 months on a Life sentence)

so again,, who decides??
The same people that Falsely Imprisoned Him?

There are supposed to be appeals courts and there are supposed to be safeguards to keep the innocent from being convicted in the first place.
Both are in need of serious reform and I support reforming them.

By your standard I should not have been allowed to vote for Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin.

There are exceptions to every trend but when dealing with categories (as we must by the nature of politics and deciding who votes) we must do that which is best overall.
There are many children who would have voted for Ron and Chuck, as a child I would have voted for both of them and for Pat Buchanan but we don't allow children to vote because there is a good reason not to, most of them are too immature to be properly informed or make good decisions about who to vote for.

 

[devil21]

Weird stuff. I remember AF writing at length in the past about the whole police state "3 felonies a day" thing but now felons shouldn't be able to vote because they may vote for Dems?

Somethin' smells around here...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Weird stuff. I remember AF writing at length in the past about the whole police state "3 felonies a day" thing but now felons shouldn't be able to vote because they may vote for Dems?

Somethin' smells around here...

Voting is not a "right".

People who have served their sentence and have been released should have all "natural" rights restored, including the right to bear arms.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't like their political beliefs any more than I like those of you two police state shylls. I wouldn't want to take away their ability to vote, any more than I would want to take away yours, or anyone else's. I don't like leftists trying to use the force of government to steal money from me for wealth redistribution schemes, any more than I like you trying to use the force of givernment steal money from me to expand the police state that you shyll for. In a free society, people can believe what they like, and vote how they like.

Fair enough...it's a valid point and and an un-answerable conundrum...people hate freedom, living in a free society and then take that free society privilege to vote themselves unfree, dragging me along with them.

*sigh*

I'll be around to tell you I told you so, though.

 

[pcosmar]

Somethin' smells around here...

The stink of Fear.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The stink of Fear.

Yeah, that's me...stinking of fear and convulsing my boots.

After all these years brother, I hate to think that's what you think of me.

Yes, I am afraid.

I am afraid of what I see happening to my home.

Mostly I am afraid for what will become of some very pleasant and fun to be around children of mine, and what will be left for them and the world they will live in, as second class citizens under total surveillance.

I wish I had your faith, to say "It's all up to God anyway, so burn it all down, the sooner the better".

But I don't.

 

[pcosmar]

There are supposed to be .

There is supposed to be a Constitution that prevents Government OR Voters from infringing on the rights of others.

And yet,,,
There are Gun Laws..

There is Theft for Government programs that should not exist..

And there is a Standing Army kicking in doors and Killing Americans every day..

and you worry about someone locked in a cage by an Authoritarian structure voting for more abuse.


just wow

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It's not universal suffrage, if everyone is not allowed to vote.

We have to let literal retards vote, therefore, we also have to let "felons" vote.

Because I'd rather an intelligent felon vote, than a stupid retard.

What do the powers that be want in voters? Ignorance. Thus they want as many people voting as possible, as this will increase the number of ignorant voters. Who tends to be ignorant (lack of knowledge about how things work)? Young people. People new to the nation. People who have no interest in politics, economics, cause and effect, liberty, etc., and would not vote unless it is almost forced upon them. Get them to the polls!

They want people who will vote based on the D or R after their names. They want people who vote purely on name recognition. They want people who vote as they are told by the TV or newspaper “voter guides”. They want people who will vote because someone told them they will get something free. They want people who vote because their teachers told them what they should vote for. They want people who will vote for them because they tell them that the other candidate hates them.

It’s not a coincidence that Bernie has so many “young” supporters. They would like to lower the voting age to 12. It’s not because they have worldly experience and wisdom.

 

[pcosmar]

I wish I had your faith, to say "It's all up to God anyway, so burn it all down, the sooner the better".

That is not my faith or my burden.

I was set free in that cage,, and eventually from it. But I lived as a Free man inside that place.. so this is not so different.

I am an Observer.. It seems to be my task.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is…

I'm Waiting for Judgement.. Having had mine here,, and seen mine there,, I have no fear of such..
It is more anticipation at this point..

My Hope is that Liberty will remain in Pockets ,, There is always a Remnant.
but I have no hope at all in the governments of this world.. and certainly none in the Clown.

He may do some good by accident... but his boss is Malevolent.

 

[Krugminator2]

I don't like their political beliefs any more than I like those of you two police state shylls. I wouldn't want to take away their ability to vote, any more than I would want to take away yours, or anyone else's. I don't like leftists trying to use the force of government to steal money from me for wealth redistribution schemes, any more than I like you trying to use the force of givernment steal money from me to expand the police state that you shyll for. In a free society, people can believe what they like, and vote how they like.

In a free society most people shouldn't be allowed to vote. The Founders of this country limited voting to 25% of the population for good reason. The idea of letting prisoners vote and have a say in anything is beyond insane. If you steal or murder, your opinion no longer counts.

Fair enough...it's a valid point and and an un-answerable conundrum...people hate freedom, living in a free society and then take that free society privilege to vote themselves unfree, dragging me along with them.

I think it has an easy answer. Strong constitution and more voting restrictions. Leftists love to talk about the Preamble of the Constitution as a way to justify all sorts of welfare statism. Here is what the author of the Preamble, Gouverneur Morris, had to say about voting:

"The time is not distant when this country will abound with mechanics and manufacturers who will receive their bread from their employers. Will such men be the secure and faithful guardians of liberty? Give the votes to people who have no property, and they will sell them to the rich who will be able to buy them."

 

[ATruepatriot]

What do the powers that be want in voters? Ignorance. Thus they want as many people voting as possible, as this will increase the number of ignorant voters. Who tends to be ignorant (lack of knowledge about how things work)? Young people. People new to the nation. People who have no interest in politics, economics, cause and effect, liberty, etc., and would not vote unless it is almost forced upon them. Get them to the polls!

They want people who will vote based on the D or R after their names. They want people who vote purely on name recognition. They want people who vote as they are told by the TV or newspaper “voter guides”. They want people who will vote because someone told them they will get something free. They want people who vote because their teachers told them what they should vote for. They want people who will vote for them because they tell them that the other candidate hates them.

It’s not a coincidence that Bernie has so many “young” supporters. They would like to lower the voting age to 12. It’s not because they have worldly experience and wisdom.

Best comprehensive realistic statement on this thread so far and absolute fact. They are manipulating predator opportunists and we facilitate it without much more thought about what we are actually facilitating.

 

[nobody's_hero]

What do the powers that be want in voters? Ignorance. Thus they want as many people voting as possible, as this will increase the number of ignorant voters. Who tends to be ignorant (lack of knowledge about how things work)? Young people. People new to the nation. People who have no interest in politics, economics, cause and effect, liberty, etc., and would not vote unless it is almost forced upon them. Get them to the polls!

They want people who will vote based on the D or R after their names. They want people who vote purely on name recognition. They want people who vote as they are told by the TV or newspaper “voter guides”. They want people who will vote because someone told them they will get something free. They want people who vote because their teachers told them what they should vote for. They want people who will vote for them because they tell them that the other candidate hates them.

It’s not a coincidence that Bernie has so many “young” supporters. They would like to lower the voting age to 12. It’s not because they have worldly experience and wisdom.

I regret that somewhere I must have given you a +rep for a post you made recently, and this one is even more deserving, but alas, "must spread some blah blah blah . . ."


It feels like I'm forced to wait 10 years to +rep someone again.

Universal suffrage was a huge mistake but I guess that cat's out of the bag. I guess if we ever get to start over again we should put it back on property owners / people who actually have something to lose.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Yeah, that's me...stinking of fear and convulsing my boots.

After all these years brother, I hate to think that's what you think of me.

Yes, I am afraid.

I am afraid of what I see happening to my home.

Mostly I am afraid for what will become of some very pleasant and fun to be around children of mine, and what will be left for them and the world they will live in, as second class citizens under total surveillance.

I wish I had your faith, to say "It's all up to God anyway, so burn it all down, the sooner the better".

But I don't.

I picked a bone and got involved when my first Grandchild was born. Now I have 11 to fight for because they can't do it for themselves and it might be too late by the time they can. The debt they now owe alone is absolute Bullshit and worth fighting over. I will give my life for my Grandchildren's liberty and economic future in a heartbeat. And this reality is not to be brushed off and taken lightly because I am not the only one.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Yeah, that's me...stinking of fear and convulsing my boots.

After all these years brother, I hate to think that's what you think of me.

Yes, I am afraid.

I am afraid of what I see happening to my home.

Mostly I am afraid for what will become of some very pleasant and fun to be around children of mine, and what will be left for them and the world they will live in, as second class citizens under total surveillance.

I wish I had your faith, to say "It's all up to God anyway, so burn it all down, the sooner the better".

But I don't.

Two things can be true at the same time, you know?

Just because the barbarians are at the gate does not necessitate throwing in with the barbarians BEHIND the gate.

As much as most people (and a disappointing number here) want you to believe that it is so, the fact is that we do not live in a monochromatic world.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Two things can be true at the same time, you know?

Just because the barbarians are at the gate does not necessitate throwing in with the barbarians BEHIND the gate.

As much as most people (and a disappointing number here) want you to believe that it is so, the fact is that we do not live in a monochromatic world.

That works both ways, you know.

Just because the barbarians are behind the gate does not necessitate throwing in with the barbarians AT the gate.


Pick your poison, huh.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

That works both ways, you know.

Just because the barbarians are behind the gate does not necessitate throwing in with the barbarians AT the gate.


Pick your poison, huh.

Well yeah, for sure.

Hey - here's an idea! Let's stand on principle!

Now, I know that sounds crazy, but hear me out: BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIATE.

You're pushing the ocean back with a broom if you think you've got a chance playing ball with the black/white political spectrum.

It is STUNNING that even needs to be said HERE, after all we've been through.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There is supposed to be a Constitution that prevents Government OR Voters from infringing on the rights of others.

And yet,,,
There are Gun Laws..

There is Theft for Government programs that should not exist..

And there is a Standing Army kicking in doors and Killing Americans every day..

and you worry about someone locked in a cage by an Authoritarian structure voting for more abuse.


just wow

I worry about them because they will make all the things that concern you much worse.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well yeah, for sure.

Hey - here's an idea! Let's stand on principle!

Now, I know that sounds crazy, but hear me out: BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIATE.

You're pushing the ocean back with a broom if you think you've got a chance playing ball with the black/white political spectrum.

It is STUNNING that even needs to be said HERE, after all we've been through.

Just surrendering is the cowards way out.

REAL faith can move mountains.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I regret that somewhere I must have given you a +rep for a post you made recently, and this one is even more deserving, but alas, "must spread some blah blah blah . . ."

Covered

Universal suffrage was a huge mistake but I guess that cat's out of the bag. I guess if we ever get to start over again we should put it back on property owners / people who actually have something to lose.

I think just eliminating anyone who gets a penny of government money (except the military) and felons and raising the voting age to 30 would be enough.
I'm also open to debate about taking the vote away from women.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Covered


I think just eliminating anyone who gets a penny of government money (except the military) and felons and raising the voting age to 30 would be enough.
I'm also open to debate about taking the vote away from women.

That's hardcore man... lol