Why 4th is a great sign

[Todd]

Yes, but you know what? We were told that they needed $12 million and they WOULD win New Hampshire and Iowa. Then they've decided not to, and that they need $23 million to do something on Super Tuesday.

We've convinced ourselves that they know what they're doing, only out of sheer hope that they do.

It's been like this since I started lurking here in October (note, I did not have an account until Jan, I know this.. you can read this site without an account).

"Wait until Iowa! $12million and we're going to win."

We give them 20. They show up, and get fourth.

"Well, Iowa doesn't matter, it's all caucuses. Silliness! Wait until NH."

NH.

"Well, wait until Michigan.. the Dems don't get votes, we're going to hit MI hard!"

Nope. Today's MI.

"Well, SC is important.. "

No ads.

"NV"

Nuh-uh.

My patience is wearing here, folks. When I tell my kid to clean her room today, I don't expect it to be done in a month. The "strategy" that people supposedly think is happening, a "rope a dope", is untested politically, and would probably give a mainstream candidate a small chance.

I'm just tired of doing the same things over and over and expecting different responses.

+2

 

[mczerone]

Ron Paul's message really is one for the general election. What he says speak to people no matter what their party affiliation or label they choose to put on themselves. I might be wrong on this, but I hope not. I long for the day when I can see Ron Paul standing on a stage with only 3 candidates, where he can actually get some time to let the American people hear what he has to say and I believe they will like it.

Ron already wins the post-debate phone polls. 32% to Huckabee's 22% in the last Fox debate.

The one where McCain made a 'burka' comment and Thompson had a snide remark about 'meeting their virgins'. Racists.

 

[WilliamC]

untested, ROn Paul has won many of his 10 election wins using this strategy

I'm a big fan of strategy games and love the art of war so when I see this I guess it looks different to me, or I could just be idealistic asshole, oh well there is worse things to be

Now that's the mark of a trustworthy man, the ability to realize that he might be wrong and not be afraid of making fun of himself while saying it.

+1

 

[Brother Butch]

Now that's the mark of a trustworthy man, the ability to realize that he might be wrong and not be afraid of making fun of himself while saying it.

+1

I'm just glad he is a lot smarter and more savvy than most of his critics.

 

[lloydian]

damn, you guys need to ease up on Ron Paul. He is an extremely smart, educated,
wise, and experienced politician.

Do y'all realize that he is 4th in votes cast so far on the Republican side, all the while by not blowing big $ early on he is a man with a message and a lot of $ and on the prowl. Watch out!!

He knows that if he can stay in the fight until several drop out then his message has a much better chance of getting out.

Have some faith in the man. He is extremely tactful and cunning.

 

[tcindie]

Ron already wins the post-debate phone polls. 32% to Huckabee's 22% in the last Fox debate.

The one where McCain made a 'burka' comment and Thompson had a snide remark about 'meeting their virgins'. Racists.

That's not really racist.. it's more a bash on religious beliefs, but either way is a demonstration of ignorance and intolerance.

 

[shadowhooch]

Yes, but you know what? We were told that they needed $12 million and they WOULD win New Hampshire and Iowa. Then they've decided not to, and that they need $23 million to do something on Super Tuesday.

We've convinced ourselves that they know what they're doing, only out of sheer hope that they do.

It's been like this since I started lurking here in October (note, I did not have an account until Jan, I know this.. you can read this site without an account).

"Wait until Iowa! $12million and we're going to win."

We give them 20. They show up, and get fourth.

"Well, Iowa doesn't matter, it's all caucuses. Silliness! Wait until NH."

NH.

"Well, wait until Michigan.. the Dems don't get votes, we're going to hit MI hard!"

Nope. Today's MI.

"Well, SC is important.. "

No ads.

"NV"

Nuh-uh.

My patience is wearing here, folks. When I tell my kid to clean her room today, I don't expect it to be done in a month. The "strategy" that people supposedly think is happening, a "rope a dope", is untested politically, and would probably give a mainstream candidate a small chance.

I'm just tired of doing the same things over and over and expecting different responses.

These are my feelings as well. I think we need a real pick me up.

CALLING ALL NEVADANS ON THIS FORUM!!!!
Is Ron Paul really making his presence felt there? How much?
Does he have a real chance to win there? If so, why did the latest poll put him at only 6%? So far, the polls have been dead on accurate for Ron's support.

Give us some hope Nevada. Report please. Nevada...Hope for the Paulites?:o

 

[colin1]

Latest polls I've seen have Ron in 4th in Michigan and last in Nevada. Wouldn't a push in Michigan (which could have netted us a 3rd place) make more sense than a push in nevada which may get us a 5th? I'd just really like to see a higher than 4th place finish before Super Duper tuesday.

 

[acstichter]

I sure hope all the naysayers regarding the campaign are actually taking up the campaigns desperate request to call voters or canvass their precinct.

 

[WilliamC]

I can understand where some people might feel a bit down because everyone wants to win. I do not know if HQ has a secret plan nor do I care. I know that a bunch of us working hard on the front line is what gets votes. I am willing to put in the time needed to work my precinct and county to get votes for Ron Paul.

Remember this, Ron Paul is a 10 term Congressman. You do not serve 10 terms with crappy campaign strategies. Ron Paul has had to go up against other Republican in his district and had his opponents redraw his district lines, all in an attempt to get him out of Congress. He continues to win.

Running for President is not the same as running for Congress. RPs team will be learning some things on the fly. The key is that we continue to move forward.

Michigan - Get out the Vote, voter turnout is low - you can make a difference today!

Words of wisdom here. If Ron Paul were, say, a first time Senator like Obama there would be more reason to worry. He's been elected 10 times, usually running against his own party as well, so he knows something about strategy.

Seriously to all you naysayers (and I include myself because I was very disappointed in back-to-back 5th place finishes) ask yourselves, are you in this only to elect Ron Paul as President and nothing else matters?

The immediate goal is the Presidency yes, and should Ron Paul win he can do more good there than anywhere else. But it's still a long shot given how much his own party seems to hate him.

I don't think Ron Paul will run on a third party or as independent, he's done that before and knows how impossible it is to get any traction at all, even with the grassroots it would be a doomed attempt (again, my opinion only if proven wrong I'll be happy to support him).

The intermediate goal is to change the Republican Party, to bring in new supporters (like us) who will drive out the neocons and use it's existing structure to put more Ron Paul Republicans in office.

Even if Ron Paul is only re-elected to Congress he has the potential to be one of the most powerful members if we stand behind him. There he can work on converting other liberty-minded members and start building a coalition that will outlast him.

20 years from now people will be Ron Paul Republicans, just like today there are Reagan Republicans, and 20 years ago there were still Goldwater Republicans.

The long term goal is to win back the country and restore unto it a Constitutional government once more. The sooner the better yes but often rapid change tends to be more violent than gradual change.

So work as hard as we can for short term success? Yes. Give up when the going gets a bit tough and abandon long term goals? No.

 

[roXet]

I don't think Ron Paul will run on a third party or as independent, he's done that before and knows how impossible it is to get any traction at all, even with the grassroots it would be a doomed attempt (again, my opinion only if proven wrong I'll be happy to support him).

Last time did he only run as a Liberterian? Or did he make a play for the Republican nomination first? I think the push he is making now, in the primaries, is what will make the difference if he DOES run 3rd party in the general election.

Ron already wins the post-debate phone polls. 32% to Huckabee's 22% in the last Fox debate.

Yes, I know, I voted in the phone polls. We need to keep voting in the phone polls, that really does have a big impact. What do you think people were thinking when Luntz's focus group said that they "thought" that Ron Paul lost the debate, but then 32% of the people voting in the phone poll said he won?

 

[tekrunner]

You guys should quit crying, we're trying to win the election and not just the nomination. How "electable" will Ron Paul be when he's received 2nd or 3rd most votes in the primaries but has tens of millions leftover that can be used for the election. Remember all the other candidates are broke and so is the Republican party. The GOP CANT afford to nominate any other candidate except for Dr. Paul.

 

[Lysander]

These are my feelings as well. I think we need a real pick me up.

CALLING ALL NEVADANS ON THIS FORUM!!!!
Is Ron Paul really making his presence felt there? How much?
Does he have a real chance to win there? If so, why did the latest poll put him at only 6%? So far, the polls have been dead on accurate for Ron's support.

Give us some hope Nevada. Report please. Nevada...Hope for the Paulites?:o

I'm a Nevadan in Las Vegas. Paul has a hard core here but many people are Romney types. I don't trust the polls in Nevada because they seem to have Giuliani ahead of Romney, which is quite doubtful.

Turnout in NV could be as low as 20k Rep voters. Not many are paying attention to the caucus, as Nevada is used to being a late state and having a simple primary, not an hour long caucus. None of the other rep candidates seem to be bothering with it. And, perhaps best of all, they are on a Saturday morning at the start of a 3 day weekend.

Sooooo.....with a little luck, we should be able to find 10K Ron Paul people to show up and sweep the place up, taking Nevada from right under their noses after they had counted Paul out. If he manages that, all those people who were attacking the campaign will suddenly think they were political geniuses

Don't get your hopes too high though. This is still a long LONG!! shot. But its the smartest bet to make for the campaign to get an outright win.

So, Definitely we should hope for a Romney win (after Ron Paul of course) . If he loses, he'll give up on SC and come to NV to campaign. We don't want that. If he wins, he'll assume he has Nevada wrapped up and head to SC. A decent showing in Michigan for Paul (like 10%) would help with morale down here, but we'll press on no matter what.

Hope that helps.
Long Live Liberty
Long Live Ron Paul

 

[acstichter]

Remember all the other candidates are broke and so is the Republican party. The GOP CANT afford to nominate any other candidate except for Dr. Paul.

I like your point, but the GOP actually has quite a large warchest built up for the eventual nominee. I'm pretty darn sure it neat the Dem tally by 25% or so. The theory was that GOP donors are not particularly sure which candidate to give to and just give it to the GOP national org and the GOP isn't spending any of it till the general.

 

[Focus Liberty]

Ron Paul is leading in Alaska!

 

[kirkblitz]

sweet

 

[beachmaster]

My take is that this is up to us, the Grass Roots to see him win. Yes, sometimes it seems that I want Ron Paul to win more than his official campaign wants Ron Paul to win.

So I now contribute my money and resources to my local Grass Roots effort, and we are making headway. I know not how Ron Paul's campaign spends the money I've sent, and at this point, I don't care. I'm looking forward, and from here on, I'll spend my money myself on things of which I see results. We can't even get prompt shipping of our yard signs from the campaign. Waiting, waiting waiting... screw that, we ordered signs from elsewhere and should have them by tomorrow. The signs the campaign has promised us will probably show up a day after our Florida primary. But that's ok.. we'll send them up to Alabama, to the Grass Roots up there, and win this thing.

It's no longer up to Ron Paul. It's up to YOU!

Visualize President Paul!

 

[Dutch_in_Hanoi]

My take is that this is up to us, the Grass Roots to see him win. Yes, sometimes it seems that I want Ron Paul to win more than his official campaign wants Ron Paul to win.

So I now contribute my money and resources to my local Grass Roots effort, and we are making headway. I know not how Ron Paul's campaign spends the money I've sent, and at this point, I don't care. I'm looking forward, and from here on, I'll spend my money myself on things of which I see results. We can't even get prompt shipping of our yard signs from the campaign. Waiting, waiting waiting... screw that, we ordered signs from elsewhere and should have them by tomorrow. The signs the campaign has promised us will probably show up a day after our Florida primary. But that's ok.. we'll send them up to Alabama, to the Grass Roots up there, and win this thing.

It's no longer up to Ron Paul. It's up to YOU!

Visualize President Paul!

I understand where you're coming from and you're a patriot. But please do donate something on MLK day, even if it's just 10 Dollars. It could be seen as a sign of weakness and decline if the number of donors on the next moneybomb is a lot lower than on the previous one. Donate on MLK day, even if you're just going to send a few Dollars.

 

[beachmaster]

I understand where you're coming from and you're a patriot. But please do donate something on MLK day, even if it's just 10 Dollars. It could be seen as a sign of weakness and decline if the number of donors on the next moneybomb is a lot lower than on the previous one. Donate on MLK day, even if you're just going to send a few Dollars.

Maybe $10, just to bump the number of donors. But that's it.