Who needs cranky Ayn Rand when we have Thomas Jefferson?

[mczerone]

Jefferson didn't have an ethical system consistent with capitalism. Ayn Rand does. That's why when capitalism is established in the future, it will be thanks to Ayn Rand, not Thomas Jefferson.

Ayn Rand didn't have an ethical system consistent with peaceful interactions. Jefferson does. That's why when (if) anarcho-capitalism is established in the future, it will be thanks to Thomas Jefferson, AMONG OTHERS, not Ayn Rand, who will be a footnote to a time-gone-by.

Ayn Rand is what makes any strain of libertarianism unattractive to people with emotions.

 

[Agorism]

Ayn Rand's attacks on anarchists and Libertarians (and post-modernists) are something you'd see on a Sean Hannity website from GOP partisans. You must worship the government...they will give your freedom and rights if you pay them off enough.

 

[Lothario]

It's these absurd and unfounded arguments that depress me about the chances of winning converts to Ron Paul on the basis of reason. I discover Ron Paul and think I'm finally among reasonable people - only to discover there's just as much distorted reasoning in the Ron Paul camp as there is outside of it.

 

[doodle]

Ayn Rand didn't have an ethical system consistent with peaceful interactions. Jefferson does. That's why when (if) anarcho-capitalism is established in the future, it will be thanks to Thomas Jefferson, AMONG OTHERS, not Ayn Rand, who will be a footnote to a time-gone-by.

Ayn Rand is what makes any strain of libertarianism unattractive to people with emotions.

Looking at views of a few of strongest AR supporters, I got the impression that she inspired excessive emotions

In any case, I was already turned off from the movie because of the whole Ed Snider funded pro war interventions, pro increased government powers ads. Only reason I was thinking of getting the book was because while back RP had said some positive things about it but I think I'm cancelling that thought too. I don't really need any collectivist like Ayn Rand tell me that I am myself master of my destiny, my happiness is under my control and I don't need government to make that happen for me. It's common sense.

 

[low preference guy]

Ayn Rand's attacks on anarchists and Libertarians (and post-modernists) are something you'd see on a Sean Hannity website from GOP partisans. You must worship the government...they will give your freedom and rights if you pay them off enough.

What a clueless post. First, post-modernism is just a mix of skepticism and nihilism. It really is a sad joke.

The attacks of Ayn Rand on libertarians were based on the fact that they didn't have a philosophical justification for their political beliefs, and predicted that for that reason they will be a failure. His criticism had nothing to do with believing that "You must worship the government...they will give your freedom and rights if you pay them off enough." After 40 years, the failure of the libertarian party proves she was right.

 

[low preference guy]

Ayn Rand's attacks on anarchists and Libertarians (and post-modernists) are something you'd see on a Sean Hannity website from GOP partisans. You must worship the government...they will give your freedom and rights if you pay them off enough.

That deserves to be responded with a big LOL.

 

[low preference guy]

I don't yet enough to predict her vote but her current deciples at ARI I believe would have voted for Obama over Ron Paul.

Ron Paul wants to cut all foreign welfare ( including financial and military aid to Israel) and would not be bombing foreign countries or bending Constitution to strip liberties by increasing government powers through things like Patriot Act despite any ad campaign funded by Ayan Rand's students/Atlas Shrugged producers.

There is no win/lose here, just exchange of views.

Did you read your own quotes? Ayn Rand didn't want to support Israel with the help of American soldiers; she was in favor of selling them weapons.

Regarding attacks to civil liberties, Ayn Rand never supported that. Even ARI opposed and opposes the patriot act and the department of homeland security. The more you type, the clearer is to everyone that you're either crazy or a vicious liar.

 

[low preference guy]

It's these absurd and unfounded arguments that depress me about the chances of winning converts to Ron Paul on the basis of reason. I discover Ron Paul and think I'm finally among reasonable people - only to discover there's just as much distorted reasoning in the Ron Paul camp as there is outside of it.

I don't think there are that many. You'll see the same names in every thread. Doodle is in every thread, and all the three threads against Ayn Rand were opened by the same person: agorism, a guy that is so clueless that he even praises post-modernism.

 

[Agorism]

Post-Modernism > Modernism

Modernism is inflexible like Ayn Rand's views and personality.

 

[doodle]

Ayn Rand was a collectivist as she was constantly attacking anarchists and Libertarians.

That's not cool.

BTW, what was her take on government welfare programs like social security, anyone knows?

 

[eproxy100]

What a clueless post. First, post-modernism is just a mix of skepticism and nihilism. It really is a sad joke.

The attacks of Ayn Rand on libertarians were based on the fact that they didn't have a philosophical justification for their political beliefs, and predicted that for that reason they will be a failure. His criticism had nothing to do with believing that "You must worship the government...they will give your freedom and rights if you pay them off enough." After 40 years, the failure of the libertarian party proves she was right.

How is it a fact that the political beliefs of libertarians aren't based on phiosophical justifications?

 

[Agorism]

The Libertarian movement has not failed.

Real voting is via markets not voting booths. Every government naturally grows larger and larger regardless of which party is in power with a natural trajectory towards bankruptcy including the U.S. The markets will eventually say no to the Federal government.

I'm not saying you should not vote btw. Politics is good fun, and you may be able to slow its progression or not, but I think you would watch the show with some perspective as well.

 

[low preference guy]

The Libertarian movement has not failed.

Her attacks on "libertarians" were attacks on people in the Libertarian Party, not what we today understand as libertarianism.

 

[low preference guy]

BTW, what was her take on government welfare programs like social security, anyone knows?

She loved the welfare state, of course.

 

[doodle]

She loved the welfare state, of course.

So this be true?

Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same

LINK

 

[low preference guy]

So this be true?

Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same

LINK

Have you ever used a public road? Yes? If so, you're a communist hypocrite.

 

[Agorism]

So this be true?

Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same

LINK

 

[Pericles]

Why settle for a poor copy, when you can have the original?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Have you ever used a public road? Yes? If so, you're a communist hypocrite.

Yes, there's absolutely no difference between using a road system that existed long before any of us were born and voluntarily accepting welfare. This is a perfect comparison. /sarcasm

 

[low preference guy]

Yes, there's absolutely no difference between using a road system that existed long before any of us were born and voluntarily accepting welfare. This is a perfect comparison. /sarcasm

How are they different? You're taxed to pay from the road just like you're taxed to pay for social security. It's not welfare; it's getting your money back.