Who do you support in the 2014 South Carolina Senate primary?

[wormyguy]

I voted for Cash in the hopes of putting Graham in fourth in the poll.

 

[Anti-Neocon]

If only Mace was a better speaker, this could be a slam dunk.

 

[PaleoPaul]

I like Mace, but if the debates were tomorrow, Graham would chew her, spit her out, and stomp on her.

She'd be humiliated on a national level. Actually, considering we're in the age of YouTube, on an international level.

 

[Brett85]

If only Mace was a better speaker, this could be a slam dunk.

I thought she did fine in the interview with Lou Dobbs. Lou asked her extremely tough questions, and she did a good job of answering them and didn't get flustered. It seems like some people may be a little overly critical of her. She's not a professional politician or a great speaker, but she's certainly not terrible either. She seems to be smarter and have a better grasp on the issues than someone like Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell.

 

[Rocco]

See, Mace's national interviews give me this distinct impression as well. She really is a pretty weak speaker. I've only heard Lee Bright once or twice, but both times he was substantially more impressive. I tend to lean towards getting behind him.

I like Mace, but if the debates were tomorrow, Graham would chew her, spit her out, and stomp on her.

She'd be humiliated on a national level. Actually, considering we're in the age of YouTube, on an international level.

 

[Smart3]

I don't really care about term limits. If I ran for office, I would say that I support term limits, just because that's the popular position and I don't see any solid evidence that supporting term limits is an anti liberty position. I would vote in favor of a term limits amendment if I were in Congress, but like I said, I really don't care much about the issue. It's an issue that I could go either way on.

Sherrod Brown ran as a supporter of term limits. Look how many times he's been re-elected.

 

[jkob]

Why do you think Mace is a stronger candidate than Bright?

I think Mace's background coming from a military family, being the first female graduate of The Citadel, being a successful businesswoman is more impressive than Bright's short stint in the state senate(his 'establishment' opposition was a legit rapist) Mace an attractive young mother and we're in need of some diversity, I think she'd be an exciting candidate to a lot of people just because of her background and you're going to need excitement to generate the amount of cash you're going to need to beat Graham. Hopefully she's been working those phone calls to Sarah Palin for an endorsement. 'And as I said, I think she's closer to my views than Bright.

I'd vote for either or the democrat as I said over Lindsay. I wish Tom Davis would run so we could be united behind one candidate.

 

[wormyguy]

Sherrod Brown ran as a supporter of term limits. Look how many times he's been re-elected.

One?

 

[supermario21]

One?

To the Senate, yes. But he's been a House member for 10+ terms. I could care less about his pledge. I just want him out. He should be vulnerable in 2018. He barely cracked 50 against a horrible opponent (a libertarian/independent candidate got 5%) with Obama on the ballot.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I was in a depressed mood and did it for a laugh. I did, however, post in the thread that it was a joke.

I'm guessing the other one was also a joke.


I disagree with you but I do agree that its not an anti-liberty position per say.

However, I agree with JBS that term limits just push the few pro-liberty people we get out. I actually used to agree with term limits until I heard the arguments against.

LOL I used to oppose term limits until I got into public office and saw the kinds of people who had seniority.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I like both a lot, but I went with Bright. Bright has legislative experience and is likely to be more effective in the US Senate. Mace should really start off in a lower office like the US House or the SC Legislature. I've been saying since 2007 that the State Legislatures are more important than the US Congress and it's like screaming at a brick wall. Right now Congress is so bought and sold it's just for show. We can have real, profound, and greater impact on securing liberty in the State Legislatures. That, I have ben convinced for years now, is the biggest failing of the liberty movement. We go all gaga over federal races where people get the glory and the big paychecks, but can't really accomplish very much, and 'meh' over State Legislatures which don't pay squat and fade into the background, but where you can have real impact for liberty (unless you are outnumbered 119 to 1 lol).

 

[Rocco]

Not to mention Bright has legit social conservative credentials and just as legit liberty credentials, and EVERY candidate who has been able to bring those two factions together (Cruz, Cucinelli, Rand) has been able to defeat their primary opposition. Mace doesn't have the same social conservative credentials.

 

[Eric21ND]

Bright has experience.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Not to mention Bright has legit social conservative credentials and just as legit liberty credentials, and EVERY candidate who has been able to bring those two factions together (Cruz, Cucinelli, Rand) has been able to defeat their primary opposition. Mace doesn't have the same social conservative credentials.

Bit of a stretch, I think, to include Cuccinelli in there, considering all the stuff his campaign has been going through.

 

[jkob]

Bright won his state senate seat by beating a dude in the primary who was an alleged violent rapist, that was his establishment opponent. Now Graham is bad but he's not that bad. I don't really buy Bright has any more applicable experience when it comes to winning or running a campaign. I guess being legislator is nice and gives you a track record but I don't really put that much value on it, didn't hurt Rand. Did Bright make any friends in the legislature and will any of his colleagues be endorsing him? While having a track record is nice for us since it tells who can trust, it can hurt too. Graham isn't going to have any shortage ammunition to use against Bright so I don't understand how anybody can be so worried about Mace's association with FITSNews and ignore Bright's weaknesses as a candidate as well.

Bright being the social conservative that he is is part of the reason I don't support him over Mace. Hopefully Bright has been practicing responding to questions about rape.

 

[Brett85]

Bright being the social conservative that he is is part of the reason I don't support him over Mace. Hopefully Bright has been practicing responding to questions about rape.

What's the difference between Mace and Bright on social issues?

 

[eduardo89]

I've been saying since 2007 that the State Legislatures are more important than the US Congress and it's like screaming at a brick wall.

You're not the only one. I've said about a hundred times on this forum that national politics, for the most part, is futile. It's great that we have people like Rand, Cruz, Lee, Amash, Massie, Sanford, Stockman, etc in Congress but the most they'll ever be able to do is slow the erosion of liberty down temporarily.

Washington will never relinquish the powers it has usurped. There will be no change ever coming from DC. Until the states forcefully take back their rightful authority under the Constitution nothing will change. We're already seeing this with NDAA nullification, marijuana legalisation, anti-drone legislation, and legal tender laws. Freedom will only come from the people through their state legislatures and voter referendums.

On top of that, almost every state legislature race can be won with under $100k, the majority with a fraction of that. A congressional run requires at least a million and a senate race in a big state will cost in the vicinity of $10 million. It just makes way more sense to focus on state races where real change can be seen.

That's why I'm so disappointed in how the majority on this forum ignored your race for state senate.

 

[jurgs01]

Term limits would kick out Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee. Our work would be down the drain. They'll likely be replaced with statists.

Most likely term limits would be for 12 years, or two terms, so Paul and Lee would have until 2022 and Cruz until 2024. We would get rid of more establishment statists with term limits than we would lose defenders of liberty. Plus, it would support a more citizen-legislature.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You're not the only one. I've said about a hundred times on this forum that national politics, for the most part, is futile. It's great that we have people like Rand, Cruz, Lee, Amash, Massie, Sanford, Stockman, etc in Congress but the most they'll ever be able to do is slow the erosion of liberty down temporarily.

Washington will never relinquish the powers it has usurped. There will be no change ever coming from DC. Until the states forcefully take back their rightful authority under the Constitution nothing will change. We're already seeing this with NDAA nullification, marijuana legalisation, anti-drone legislation, and legal tender laws. Freedom will only come from the people through their state legislatures and voter referendums.

On top of that, almost every state legislature race can be won with under $100k, the majority with a fraction of that. A congressional run requires at least a million and a senate race in a big state will cost in the vicinity of $10 million. It just makes way more sense to focus on state races where real change can be seen.

That's why I'm so disappointed in how the majority on this forum ignored your race for state senate.

The dropped $880k on that guy, so don't be too disappointed. He got more than any Counsel of State candidate, and although the Governor raised more, they (the Party) gave that guy more than they gave the Governor. Even a State Senate race runs a max of $150k $200k in the worst case scenario. They literally dumped $880k on this guy to get elected, and comped him an entire expert campaign staff. He spent more than any Legislature candidate in the history of the State. I didn't have a chance against that kind of money. Not to mention they blackballed me with campaign consultants and material providers in the region. It was way, way dirtier than I've even said. They wanted me out of there in the WORST way. It was better that money didn't get burned in a futile effort.

 

[mosquitobite]

I like both a lot, but I went with Bright. Bright has legislative experience and is likely to be more effective in the US Senate. Mace should really start off in a lower office like the US House or the SC Legislature. I've been saying since 2007 that the State Legislatures are more important than the US Congress and it's like screaming at a brick wall. Right now Congress is so bought and sold it's just for show. We can have real, profound, and greater impact on securing liberty in the State Legislatures. That, I have ben convinced for years now, is the biggest failing of the liberty movement. We go all gaga over federal races where people get the glory and the big paychecks, but can't really accomplish very much, and 'meh' over State Legislatures which don't pay squat and fade into the background, but where you can have real impact for liberty (unless you are outnumbered 119 to 1 lol).

Agree with Gunny.

Plus I went with Bright because he actually HAS a record to review.
What if Mace is someone the establishment put in the race because they knew Lee was going to run?