Whitney Webb EXPOSES Kamala, Trump, Israel And More! (Interview)

[jmdrake]

I'm not disputing any facts. The difference in our views is that I am following the principle of charity, in abundance, in interpreting Trump's actions as 45, because we know that God has provided a way of escape (1 Cor. 10:13) and I want to believe that is Trump. Aka I have hope.

Matthew 7:16-20
King James Version
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.​

If you are judging Biden or Clinton or Obama with the same "charity" that's one thing. I haven't noticed you do that. Obama, for all of his faults, at least put the brakes on gain of function research. It was restarted December 2017 under Trump.

No real argument except that this is absolutely run-of-the-mill in DC. I don't do litmus-testing, we're a trillion lightyears beyond the point where litmus-testing would be relevant. The hurdle is so low that Trump not starting a new war for four years is itself a Herculean accomplishment. Litmus-testing on the legalities of an EO ban on this or that firearms accessory is just not important. I understand all the slippery-slope arguments but it just really is not important.

I don't see what not starting a war has to do with setting the precedent, that Biden followed, of banning a gun accessory via executive order after the ATF said the accessory was legal. (And note that I didn't even bring up the bumpfire stock ban in this thread and Whitney Webb didn't bring it up at all in the video). If we're going to play the irrelevant good fact over comes the bad fact game, Obama stopped gain of function research in 2014, he allowed via executive order for guns to be taken into national parks and on Amtrack trains. He aslo allowed schools to opt out of Bush's "No child left behind" nonsense. And for the record I've been open on this forum and others for agreeing with Trump on the First Step Act (ending the racist 1993 Clinton/Biden crime bill and freeing a lot of non violent prisoners), permanent funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities and proposing the Plaintium Plan which is the closest a Republican president has ever come to endorsing reprations. So I don't see why you're playing the "Trump did something good" game. I never said he didn't. I put up a video that showed some specific things Trump did, either directly or indirectlhy through proxy's that he put in power. Are you interesting in actually addressing the video?

I'm going off rusty memory here, but I recall Trump saying that Americans have the right to choose how they will be treated and that the vaccine is the best option but it shouldn't be mandatory. I don't know if there were any official acts or just speeches, either way, he took a lot of heat for espousing HCQ and other alternatives as viable options. He talked up the vaccine as the best, but said there were other options and they practically wanted to nuke the White House for him saying that.

I fairly certain that Trump never saying anything about whether or not a vaccine should be mandatory, but you're ignoring the fact that in 2020 NOBODY was saying the vaccine that Trump was championing should be mandatory! In fact during the debates, both Biden and Harris both said they would NOT take the vaccine if Trump said to take it. And again, the vaccine wasn't even ready for all of the people who wanted it until after Trump was out of office. This is like saying "Elon Musk is pushing to develop brain chips but he isn't talking about mandating them." Of course he isn't. Nobody is. The brain chips aren't even ready for voluntary mass adoption at this point. As for Trump's statements about hydroxycloroquine or ivermectin, none of those medicines have ever been conclusively proven to be effective against COVID. And yes I've read the studies. You know what has been conclusively proven to fight COVID? Sunlight, exercise and fresh air. And Trump, on advice of Dr. Fauci, pressured governors to shut down parks, beaches and exercise gyms at the same time that liquor stores were left open. As late as April 2020, Trump was tweeting against the governors of Florida and Georgia opening up. Both of those states are warmer than most of the country, especially Florida, and sunlight and heat kill all coronaviruses and Fauci knew that but lied and covered it up. That was the point of the press coference about ultraviolet light killing the virus qucikly that Trump derailed when he started talking about taking light "inside the body" and then talking about how disinfected killed the virus and there "I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning." I will give Trump credit for saying churches could be open in May 2020. But he never said anything about vaccine mandates while he was in office because it simply wasn't an issue.

My point is not irrelevant at all.

Nobody ever thinks their point is irrelevant.

The billionaire class are not our enemy, this is a standard Marxist talking-point and Webb is falling for it, starting from a different angle, i.e. that the tech-billionaires have become private extensions of the MIC.

The oligarch billionaires, tech or otherwise, that push the bailouts are the enemy and that's not a "Marxist talking point." Blackrock is not a tech company. It's a finance company that uses the levers of government for their own ends. It's corporatism that's the problem and corporatism is fascism. Fascism is the problem. People who mis-use the government for their own financial gain.

It is true that many of these tech billionaires are just fronts for the MIC but wealth by itself doesn't tell you who is on which side. And the reason for that is that our war is not against flesh and blood. So, I'm not saying to look to the government for salvation -- you will be hard-pressed to find a more anti-State participant on this forum. As for the word "block", I admit my memory is rusty and it may have been the backlash against Trump's support for alternatives (leaving open the option to not take the vaccine) that I'm recollecting. Trump's actions here are actually heroic in that, at the time, the Left was treating anything less than 100% vaxx-compliance as outright murder, but Trump and DeSantis set the stage to prick that bubble. Once Red-states saw that there was an option to not go along with the vaxx-mandate insanity, that whole line of attempted tyranny collapsed across Red-state America. And it was Trump who was the first to make that politically possible by making sure to educate the public on alternatives to the vaxx. As far as I can tell, the only reason he wanted credit for "Warp Speed" was that they were forcing the vaxx through no matter what, and so he wanted to at least get credit for getting the job done quick.

So....you're just going to ignore the fact that the COVID bailout started before COVID and instead focus on a vaccine mandate that Trump never had the opportunity to implement even if he wanted to because the vaccines weren't ready? Seriously?

Okay. Let's go back to Ron Paul 101. End The Fed. The Federal Reserve isn't directly tied to the MIC. But it indirectly funds the MIC. But that's not ALL it funds. It's the private/public partnership that funds everything through counterfeiting that's the issue. The MIC is merely a symption of the problem, not THE problem.

Right, but there is a pattern to how God works. Those rulers who are neutral or even friendly to God's kingdom are sometimes used as a King Cyrus, a friend of God's people who himself may be pagan. Those rulers who are openly hostile to God are dealt with in one of two ways: (a) they are ground to powder and replaced or (b) they are struck with madness, plagues, etc., humbled, and converted to belief in God, then used by God. In no case has God ever delivered his people by the hand of a wicked ruler. Pharaoh fought to the bitter end and his army was drowned in the Red Sea. Sennacherib came against Jerusalem threatening to topple Almighty God himself, and 185,000 of his army died overnight. So, an open blasphemer in the White House can only result in one of two courses of action if God is to deliver us from this present evil: (a) God grinds them to powder and replaces them, or (b) God strikes them with a plague and converts them by force. In no case will God orchestrate deliverance of his people through the hands of a blasphemer. That makes no sense at all.

This is what I call an "open blasphemer."

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”​

Seriously, where is Sola Fide when you actually need him? What Trump said in ^that interview is diametrically opposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ!

Galations 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 1:8-9
King James Version
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.​

Trump thinks he can "make right" his own sin? He can try to mitigate the consequences of hs own actions, but that's got nothing to do with God's forgiveness. That's a different "gospel" than what is in the New Testament. According to Paul anyone who spreads such a gospel is "accursed." You cannot make your sin "right." Only Jesus can do that. To claim that you can do what only Jesus can do is by definition blashemy.

Except one thing, even more irritating: online partisan hacks who are so myopically focused on the Trump-is-evil-incarnate narrative, that they don't even read or pay attention to the actual post they're responding to.

Please quote where I said Trump is evil incarnate. Because I didn't.

Nowhere have I said that Trump is a person I "align with". Of all Presidents in recent memory, Trump is the first to take a real stab in the direction of the heart of tyranny in DC, and he did that by starting no new wars, by starving the MIC.

You've sought to undercut Trump's actual appointments of evil men to positions of power and his acquiesance to the actions of those evil men are somehow just "litmus-testing Trump's social network" and somehow that's okay because Trump didn't "start any new wars." But your claim that Trump was "starving the MIC" is provably false.

Adjusted for inflation Trump increased spending for the MIC over Obama. Anyhow, you give Trump credit for not starting any new wars. I give Obama credit for putting the brakes on gain of function research for 2014 until the ban was lited in December 2017 under Trump. Which cost more lives? Obama's wars in Libya and Syria or the COVID-19 pandemic?

So yes, that got my attention, and I will acknowledge that was a brave course of action. I could list 100 different things that Trump could do to improve, but if he gets in and accomplishes only one thing as 47, do more of what he did as 45 and keep starving the MIC. Another 4 years of no new wars would be a great continuation of 45!

Except it's an absolute falsehood that Trump was "starving the MIC."

God "works through" all things without exception, Romans 8:28, including actual evil. But when it comes to the way in which God works for the deliverance of his people, it's not merely a question of whether God is sovereign over history, or not. Rather, it's a question of honor. Will God honor Biden in anything whatsoever? Absolutely not. Will he give him even the honor of being a pagan that allies with believers to orchestrate the deliverance of believers? No way! Anyone who is in open blasphemy of God can be used by God as a public figure in any way, shape or form. They can only be destroyed or ignored by him. God has clearly been ignoring POTUS for all the time I've been voting age (late 90's) and probably long before that. A POTUS that will at least acknowledge God in a minimal way ("go through the motions") and refrain from espousing openly blasphemous views/policies, perhaps that is someone God would publicly use. Otherwise, God does not need even POTUS, he has 100 million harvest angels (Rev. 5:11), chomping at the bit to torch this entire planet and sift the ashes.

Trump has stated open blasphemy and has not acknowledge God's sole role in atoning for or "making right" his sins.

I don't think he even understood the question. I have no opinion whatsoever about Trump's standing before God. He may be the worst man on earth, or the best, only God knows that. What I do know, is that Trump is not openly blaspheming God (supporting abortion, while claiming the mantle of "Christianity"), he is not actively oppressing the church (Wokism), and so on. As a citizen, this is the minimum requirement I have for any civil servant, and the rest is between that individual and God.

Matthew 15:9 "In vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Supporting abortion rights is NOT blashpemy! In fact it's borderline blasphemy to call it blasphemy. Have you ever actually read the Roe v Wade opinion? I'm guessing you haven't. The opinion itself actually looks at all of the major U.S. religous traditions at the time, Protestantism, Catholocism and Judaism, and wrote that into the opinion. Protestantism has never as a whole taken a position that abortion is murder. Judaism doesn't take that position etither. It's Roman Catholocism that takes the exteme position that life begins at conception and that position leads to some absurd results. For intance recently in Alabama the IVF industry was thrown into chaos because the Alabama judiciary concluded that since abortion was banned from conception, that must mean the destruction of embryos was akin to killing human beings which opened up IVF clinics to wrongful death lawsuits. The Republican controlled legislatture scrambled to pass a bill to block this obviously logic, but wildly unpopular result. Republican U.S. Senator Kate Britt of Alabama also introduced leglislation to strip federal funding from states that restricted IVF clinics, but ironically it's only Republican states that ended up doing that.

There is no scripural basis for your belief that disagreeing on aboriton is blasphemy. It's not attributing to oneself the power of God like Trump did when he claimed he could fix his own sin. People can disagree on when life begins and still be Christians People can't claim to be able to fix their own sin problem and still be Christians. You're substituting belief with your position with blasphemy. And for the record, JD Vance has confirmed that Trump would veto a national abortion ban.

Correct. However, they are each the face/front of something else behind them. That "something else" is the thing that I'm talking about.

It's not that simple, either. Many people get involved in occult, and later escape it. So, our battle is truly not with flesh and blood, meaning, not with other humans-as-humans. There is no group of humans that, if we could just wipe them out, would finally restore peace in this world. Thus, we are not called to that. Rather, we are called to spiritual warfare, which begins with Scripture, prayer and fellowship with other believers - the church. While Satan's strongholds have a lot of overlap with the secret societies, it is not a 1-to-1 map.

Read the entire verse.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.​

You know what is an example of "spiritual wickedness in high places?" What you dismissively call "social networking." William Barr being put in a position to cover up the murder of his associate's daughter's boyfiend Jeffery Epstein is an example of "principalities and powers" and "spiritual wickedness in high places." But you're just going to ignore that because you're thankful for what Trump did regarding abortion.

Nope. I actually use my brain and don't settle for partisan factionalism, which is why you can't understand anything I say.

I can't understand what you say because some of what you're sauying is PROVABLY false! Like claiming Trump blocked the vaccine mandates or claiming Trump starved the military industrial complex when he actually increased military spending! And that's even worse considering that Trump increased the spending without a new war to justify it! But I get it now. Abortion is your big issue and you'll ignore Trump's blaphemous statements, his elevating evil men to positions of power, his going along with what those evil men did and everything else because....abortion. Okay. Got it. I understand now. I just disagree.

I'm not "pro-Trump".

Right. You're anti abortion. I get it. Trump accomplished something really important to you and you're ready to overlook other issues. Okay. The topic of the thread isn't "Trump is evil incarnate." It's litteally about issues that I feel are important. One of the most important issues is how COVID happened. And to unravel any conspiracy to have to folllow the money trail. And the money trail goes back to 2019 and how one of Trump's advisors got the bailout going prior to thw WHO even declaring COVID an emergency. That's the entire reason I posted this. And Kamala Harris is tied to the same people.

Rather, I can envision a scenario in my mind in which God uses Trump 47 to facilitate an exodus of believers from the jaws which are already clamping down upon them, jaws which started to snap shut right after 9/11, and which are just now almost at lockjaw position.

Trump supporting face scanning cameras at the border as a "virtual border wall" (something that Biden and Harris support) helps people "escape the jaws" of the post 9/11 police state how exactly?

Edit : At at 25 minutes in, Whitney Webb makes the exact same point I'm making about the border issue and militarizing the border as another way Trump is feeding (not starving) the MIC! She talks about how calling what's going on an "invasion" is a way to manufacture consent. You're arguing against the tech billionaires? Trump is feeding (not starving) them. And she specifically ties the border militirzation, by labeling it an invasion, to inccreasing the post 9/11 surveilance state. Sorry [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], but [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] has a point, regardless of how legitimate your concerns are about illegal immigration, that it's being used to set up a police state. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the face scanning cameras at airports. They're going forward because Trump and Harris both agree on that. And that's the point that people keep missing. "I love what Trump did on (abortion, his remain in Mexico policy, 2A friendly judges, partially built physical border wall) so much that I'm going to straight up ignore what's right before my very eyes of Trump putting deep state actors into his proposed SECOND cabinet as "social network litmus testing." Forget for one freaking minute which "lesser of two evils" you're willing to accept and look BEYOND November 2024 and January 2025 and see what actual policies that are going to be proposed by the principalities and powers behind both Turmp and Harris and be ready to sand against them. Don't stick your head in the freaking sand and convince yourself that it's all going to be okay....because it's not.

 

[ClaytonB]

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It's Sunday, I'm not doing battle-of-the-walls-of-text today. Let's summarize, briefly: you and I are not going to agree, so there's really no point in arguing. To be blunt, I find the style of thinking that you employ to be downright obnoxious, just as I do with PAF and others. You make an outer pretense or show of sharp-reasoning and fact-based thinking but, in reality, you are just pushing a whole bunch of hyper-ventilated emotionalism, the same kind that has dominated the mainstream political Establishment in the US for probably a century or more. I am only interested in the cold, hard facts as God himself sees them, including from the divine perspective, meaning, with divine proportion and ratio. You find a bump-stock ban to be the pinnacle of tyranny. That's just downright silly from an eternal perspective. To me, that kind of hyper-ventilation over irrelevancies is emblematic of your entire way of thinking. So, not only do we not agree, we don't even agree on how to agree. I might as well be talking to a blued-haired Wokie, it would be an equally useless conversation.

PS: We've had other, good conversations. This is just not one of them.

 

[jmdrake]

It's Sunday, I'm not doing battle-of-the-walls-of-text today. Let's summarize, briefly: you and I are not going to agree, so there's really no point in arguing. To be blunt, I find the style of thinking that you employ to be downright obnoxious, just as I do with PAF and others. You make an outer pretense or show of sharp-reasoning and fact-based thinking but, in reality, you are just pushing a whole bunch of hyper-ventilated emotionalism, the same kind that has dominated the mainstream political Establishment in the US for probably a century or more. I am only interested in the cold, hard facts as God himself sees them, including from the divine perspective, meaning, with divine proportion and ratio. You find a bump-stock ban to be the pinnacle of tyranny. That's just downright silly from an eternal perspective. To me, that kind of hyper-ventilation over irrelevancies is emblematic of your entire way of thinking. So, not only do we not agree, we don't even agree on how to agree. I might as well be talking to a blued-haired Wokie, it would be an equally useless conversation.

PS: We've had other, good conversations. This is just not one of them.

And likewise I find your conversation obnoxious and downright dishonest. Trump did not "starve the MIC." I've provided proof to the contrary. Trump did not "block vaccine mandates" as there weren't enough COVID vaccines for the people that wanted them at any time prior to him leaving office. My "wall of text" was responding to your "wall of text" that had nothing to do with the actual video. Out of respect for you I actually responded to your points even though none of them were on topic. But I get it. Trump did something you like on abortion and that negates everything else including Trump claiming he doesn't need God's forgiveness. I wish you a good Sunday, but your "summary" isn't at all accurate. Enjoy your evening.

Edit: [MENTION=35009]ClaytonB[/MENTION] I was reminded by another poster in a +rep of the commandment to "love one another." I do love you even though I vehemently disagree with you. I get you like certain things Trump has done a whole lot. That doesn't negate what the OP video was pointing out though.

 

[ClaytonB]

And likewise I find your conversation obnoxious and downright dishonest. Trump did not "starve the MIC." I've provided proof to the contrary. Trump did not "block vaccine mandates" as there weren't enough COVID vaccines for the people that wanted them at any time prior to him leaving office. My "wall of text" was responding to your "wall of text" that had nothing to do with the actual video. Out of respect for you I actually responded to your points even though none of them were on topic. But I get it. Trump did something you like on abortion and that negates everything else including Trump claiming he doesn't need God's forgiveness. I wish you a good Sunday, but your "summary" isn't at all accurate. Enjoy your evening.

Edit: [MENTION=35009]ClaytonB[/MENTION] I was reminded by another poster in a +rep of the commandment to "love one another." I do love you even though I vehemently disagree with you. I get you like certain things Trump has done a whole lot. That doesn't negate what the OP video was pointing out though.

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

The problem that you, PAF, acptulsa and some others have, is that when the name "Trump" is mentioned, it triggers some weird "mode" in your brain... people have mockingly called it TDS, idk what to call it, all I know is that it's not rational.

As I have stated countless times in countless posts, for years now, I AM NOT A TRUMPER. I support Trump, but that's literally it. I think that Trump might be a strategic win for liberty in America. Idk that with certainty, but I hope it. And I know for a fact that Harris/Walz are an absolute disaster. There is currently no other alternative that can even logistically become POTUS. So those are your choices, like it or lump it.

You calculate the issues differently than I do. My adult life began right around 9/11. The Patriot Act ended my world. I did not know that when it was passed. I didn't like it. I thought it was a bad idea. I hoped that as the 9/11 stuff died down, eventually it would be quietly repealed or sliced up piecemeal. Instead, the Patriot Act turned out to be the Chief Cornerstone of the New World Order. The tyranny has only ever ratcheted upward since 2001. They told us that is what it was, and then they proceeded to prove over the next 20+ years that that's exactly what it was. Afghanistan (I wasn't even a libertarian and I thought Afghanistan was just a bad strategic idea), Gitmo, Iraq, NDAAs, MCA, FVEY global surveillance, CCP-style censorship, truly out-of-control debt not as a talking-point, but literally just on the verge of not being able to borrow even one more dollar, Housing Collapse, COVID. Those memes of the poor Millennials going through 10 existential crises before age 30 are not an exaggeration. That giant ball-of-yarn of issues -- the New World Order globalists hijacking the US federal government from within -- is the only issue I actually care about. So, if I were to litmus-test the way you do, the only solution would be to literally nuke Washington, DC. Sure, we would lose some innocents in the process. But from a pure statecraft standpoint, where you have to break a few eggs to make the omelette, the very calculus that DC itself currently rages around the globe with, 24x7, smashing anyone and anything that gets in their way... hey, fair's fair. So, you and I have a very, very different outlook on all of this. You see it as 4-year political calculus, I do not. I see it as coming down to the point where a 50-state coalition literally nuking Washington, DC would be an act of self-defense, a just war action. I don't think there's any realistic way that could happen, and there is surely no way to actually coordinate such an action but, morally speaking, I see no problem with it at all.

So, let's go back to bump-stocks. A silly toy whose reason for existing is inherently perverse, a toy that American gun-owners only purchase in order to go around the unconstitutional NFA, being banned. Please don't waste my time with such absurdity, every keystroke spent on that topic is a literal waste of time. I'd rather talk about how Washington, DC is recklessly approaching a nuclear tipping-point with Moscow and is about to bring about its own, well-deserved annihilation. That's a much more interesting and salient topic. Or how about Trump's radio-silence on the Federal Reserve? There's a completely valid criticism of Trump that far outweighs all the pedantry you maintain in your anti-Trump list, added together. By a country mile. Again, I don't support Trump because I'm pro-Trump, I support him because I hope that the theory that he's actually trying to drain the Swamp, for real, is true. Call me a pollyanna all you wish for holding out that much hope but, again, the alternative is far starker than I think you're willing to face up to. You anti-Trumpers keep thinking this will just be another 4-year circus and the circus goes on forever. No, it does not go on, it comes to a screeching halt, the only question is when. Very soon, the entire flawed calculus on which DC was originally built, its crooked foundations, will be exposed, and the entire edifice will crash forthwith. Truly, a House of Cards. Maybe Trump won't have anything to do with that. Maybe he'll even betray every last thing he has said and openly join in with the NWO. I acknowledge it's possible, because I'm not a Trumper. Either way, this situation will continue to escalate until it is no longer in the hands of any person on earth. At that point, it will become a strictly heavenly matter. Everyone thinks they know what that means. No one does...

 

[PAF]

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

The problem that you, PAF, acptulsa and some others have, is that when the name "Trump" is mentioned

Trump is a businessman who during his entire career interviewed, hired and fired personnel. He sits in executive board meetings, reads and fully understands contracts. His entire empire requires that he is fully well aware along with his attorneys.

You people make up excuses with no data to back it up with, and either say "he didn't know", "he was ill-advised", "he made a mistake", "it didn't matter", etc.

What is irrational is that after 4 years of his Record and record spending, his followers still follow and for all the wrong reasons. There is nothing small government about him, nor does he advocate/promote the most local of solutions, aside from perhaps abortion.

I don't hold democrats accountable the way that I do republicans, because it is the republicans who tout "freedom, liberty and fiscal responsibility". Trump could be Joe Shmo for all I care, it is republicans who follow Pied Pipers while abandoning every principle that they and the platform once had. And every election when an "R" wins, even more sacrifices and abandonments are made.

Government/politicians is not the answer, but rather people who are truthful/honest, principled and stand for what is right.

 

[ClaytonB]

You people

See, this is where you give yourself away. What "you people"? Who's my "crowd"? With whom am I coordinating? On whose behalf am I operating? The answer, in every case, is no one. I write here as an American citizen, in the hope that these messages might by some means be useful as America breathes her last few gasps and real darkness descends. This country has never once seen real darkness, not even in the Civil War, not even in WW2. Hell is going to be spewed out on the earth, that is prophecy, and every sign indicates that it's arriving very soon. I cannot imagine that the Great Tribulation will not begin in my lifetime. As far as I can tell, it already has and people just aren't seeing it yet. We're looking the Beast right in the eyes every single day and don't even yet realize who's really looking back at us.

make up excuses

Nope. I just compare ratios of what actually matters and what doesn't matter. Think of it like triage on the battlefield. If you get cut on the arm with a knife, that's a serious wound and it should be addressed immediately. But if you've been shot in the chest and you have a cavity that is suffocating you to death, that has to be addressed even more urgently than your knife-wound. Addressing the chest-wound does not mean I don't see or believe in the knife-wound or even deny that it would be important in a world where the only injury was the knife-wound. I listed over a dozen factors that comprise the real issue facing America (the New World Order coup of the US government) and "you people" want to talk about everything else in the world. Strange that. You'd think that would at least be a topic worth discussing but, according to "you people", what we really need to do is geek out on the legalities of executive orders and how some EO that Trump signed could hypothetically create a risk that some future President could blah-blah-blah. I'm not interested in any of that penny-ante crap. How many hours left until the nukes launch? How many more dollars can the Federal government borrow before it arithmetically cannot borrow any more due to inability to service the interest? Let's address the chest-wounds first and worry about the knife-scratches on the extremities if we even survive long enough to where it would matter...

 

[PAF]

You people

See, this is where you give yourself away. What "you people"? Who's my "crowd"?

Trump is an alpha and that doesn't seem to bother you. I am an even bigger alpha than Trump and I do not mince words. Where Trump and I differ is that I actually do stand on principle, well, because I have them, and my heart goes out to the generations who follow and will have to suffer the ramifications of what you people imposed on them. Teaching by example is necessary so that they may be raised with the knowledge of sound principles... what they do with that information is up to them.

make up excuses

Nope. I just compare ratios of what actually matters and what doesn't matter. Think of it like triage on the battlefield. If you get cut on the arm with a knife, that's a serious wound and it should be addressed immediately. But if you've been shot in the chest and you have a cavity that is suffocating you to death, that has to be addressed even more urgently than your knife-wound. Addressing the chest-wound does not mean I don't see or believe in the knife-wound or even deny that it would be important in a world where the only injury was the knife-wound. I listed over a dozen factors that comprise the real issue facing America (the New World Order coup of the US government) and "you people" want to talk about everything else in the world. Strange that. You'd think that would at least be a topic worth discussing but, according to "you people", what we really need to do is geek out on the legalities of executive orders and how some EO that Trump signed could hypothetically create a risk that some future President could blah-blah-blah. I'm not interested in any of that penny-ante crap. How many hours left until the nukes launch? How many more dollars can the Federal government borrow before it arithmetically cannot borrow any more due to inability to service the interest? Let's address the chest-wounds first and worry about the knife-scratches on the extremities if we even survive long enough to where it would matter...

Everything that you wrote as your example in "how to choose a politician" presupposes that leaders and party politics is the answer. But it's not, so I scratched it out ;-)

 

[ClaytonB]

I am an even bigger alpha than Trump...

Oh please, what are you, 13?

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[PAF]

Oh please, what are you, 13?

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You just didn't like my answer lol ;-)

 

[acptulsa]

It goes beyond that. Trump gave power to evil people!

Now do a paragraph on John Bolton.

Sorry, but your pont is is 100% irrelevant in that Whitney was clearly pointing out that no human is coming to save you. And her solution fits 100% in line with any true Christian which is to quit looking to the government or to any politician and instead look for local solutions with like minded people. (i.e. a church). The fact that you somehow think Trump was "blocking" a vaccine mandate with zero evidence to that effect shows that Whitney is being more "spiritual" in this particular instance.

I don't recall seeing the verse which said that the Antichrist will be as politically powerless as Jesus was. I always imagined that particular character to be head man in charge in the Time of Tribulation.

God can, and does, use every person in power to accomplish His aims whether that person wants to follow God or not. That includes Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, whoever.

The antichrist. The devil himself.

Nothing is more irritating than Christians who can only see "God's hand" when the person they align with is in power. And yes, I've rebuked Christian on the left who can't imagine God working through Trump as well. That said, Trump said himself that he doesn't recall ever "apologizing" to God. I'm not sure how anybody can call him a Christian based on that alone.

I'm trying to figure out how to tell a woman with a god complex that she's the last victim of the Steinem-Freidan First Wave Feminism brainwashing. Way back in '69 they were being trained to consider apologizing a sign of weakness that would set women back a thousand years if they ever did it. I remember spooky-eyed believers right through the seventies.

This person is a control freak and lives in mortal fear of making a mistake. And is aging. She's killing herself with stress. I can see her on the Judgement Day looking Jesus in the face and bellowing, "Lord, I repent!" You know what she'll hear. "Whatever you have done unto the least of these My children, so you have done unto Me," right? Seems we believe eternity depends upon our ability to apologize when the Day comes. Could a believer possibly go through life refusing to practice?

She and Trump are very different, but the same kind of Christian. The kind you worry about making the cut.

You must have either never watched wrestling or never realized that wrestling is staged.

I think he just can't or won't believe humans can be so evil as to be that conniving. Wrestling doesn't mean anything. That's a given. But if politics doesn't mean anything, then we failed to deliver our children into a Republic. That'll send you up De Nile without a paddle! Did me.

It's a trap. It takes a lot of evidence to get you to question that belief. By then you're in for more than a penny. You're in for a pound. Then you hate to admit you've been had, and double down on a bad bet.

Yes. I understand that. I'm not sure you do however. I think you think you do. Donald Trump is "flesh and bones." Kamala Harris is "flesh and bones." Joe Biden is "flesh and bones." The "principalties and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places" are the not-so-secret societies that have their influence everywhere. That is what Whitney Webb is exposing. You're going through mental gymnastics trying to justify the idea that those principalities and powers didn't do through the Trump administration what the evidence clearly shows they did do.

It becomes a matter of the most dangerous ten words in the language: "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind." Dangerous.

To see what is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle.

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

No, Clayton, it is a matter of love. All our souls are in the balance. We have a right to worry about you.

I cannot imagine that the Great Tribulation will not begin in my lifetime. As far as I can tell, it already has and people just aren't seeing it yet. We're looking the Beast right in the eyes every single day and don't even yet realize who's really looking back at us.

And if you want to save souls, you should remember what I once told [MENTION=4634]Theocrat[/MENTION]. You get more flies with honey than vinegar. Or tired pulpit slogans either, because I think people can see that the silly sectarian differences won't matter.

Now lighten up already.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, love one another, this is not an issue of love/hate, it's an issue of agree/disagree.

The problem that you, PAF, acptulsa and some others have, is that when the name "Trump" is mentioned, it triggers some weird "mode" in your brain... people have mockingly called it TDS, idk what to call it, all I know is that it's not rational.

I love you, but you're WRONG and it's really sad. IF YOU CAN'T ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR OWN BEAM IN YOUR EYE YOU HAVE NO CHRISTIAN RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOTE IN MINE!

I didn't post the OP video as an attack on Trump. It is an attack ON THE EVIL SYSTEM BEHIND TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS! Nowhere in any of your ramblings did you actually address the FACTS in the video. Not really. You made the PROVABLY FALSE CLAIM that the video was about "social networking" or in other words guilt by association." That's nonsense. The video is about EVIL PEOPLE THAT TRUMP EITHER PUT IN POWER (WILLIAM BARR) OR ALLOWED TO MAKE POLICY (Larry Fink the CEO of Blackrock.). You LOVE Trump. You don't just appreciate some of the things he did. That's okay. I love Ron Paul so I get it. The problem is your mind is clouded by cognative dissonance. You can't imagine there being anything nefarious about Trump so when people point out FACTS that you CANNOT ACTUALLY DISPUTE you go into defensive mode and try to undercut undisputable facts (like the fact that TRUMP PUT EVIL PEOPLE IN POWER AND ALLOWED THEM TO DO EVIL THINGS), and you raise irrelevant arguments (well Trump didn't start any new wars and he banned abortion so there), or you must make up falsehoods (Trump starved the military industrial complex when he actual INCREASED military spending or Trump blocked vaccine mandates when there weren't enough vaccines available to mandate).

And here's the difference between me and you. YOU PERSONALLY ARE ATTACKING ME WHEN ALL I AM DOING IS ATTACKING YOUR ILLOGICAL ARGUMENTS! You have to go along with some bullshyt made up "syndrome" in order to try to deal with the fact that you have two incompatible truths going on in your head. You are faced with FACTS that you cannot HONESTLY refute, so rather than deal with the truth, you attack me. I get it. I've done that before. Then I grew up a little. You need to do that.

Here is your real problem. You have substituted faith in God for faith in who you think is God's servant. Jesus warned that at the end of time there would be "false Christs and false prophets." Trump is a false prophet. Anyone who claims that he doesn't need God's forgiveness and that he can "fix" his own sins is not a Christian, I don't care what he says. And no I'm not judging Trump for his failings. I'm judging his fruits. John the Baptist judged the Pharisees for not having the FRUIT of repentance. Can God use a heathen? Of course He can! God used Pharoah's own stubborness to give God glory as Pharaoh led his own army to drown in the Red Sea. God used Nebuchanezzer to punish Judah for its disobedience. And God eventually humbled and converted Nebuchanezzer. I hope and pray Trump is humbled and converted and seeks God's forgiveness. Not that Trump has done anything worse than the rest of us, but because his righteousness, like everyone else's including YOURS is FILTHY RAGS

So, let's go back to bump-stocks.

Why the hell do we need to go "back to bump-stocks?" THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THIS THREAD! That's called a straw man argument.. You know good and well that you can't defend Trump allowing Larry Fink to push forward a COVID emergency financial plan that was written before COVID was declared an emergency. You know good and well that you cannot defend Trump putting William Barr in charge of the DOJ and then allowing William Barr to cover up the murder of Trump's friend and sicko Jeffery Epstein. You know you can't defend Trump not insisting that Epstein's client list be released. So....you want to go "back to bump stocks" when that was NEVER the disussion. Sorry but that's intellectual cowardice.

 

[acptulsa]

I didn't post the OP video as an attack on Trump. It is an attack ON THE EVIL SYSTEM BEHIND TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS!

That's the crux. Intellectually he believes he isn't a Trumper, as he has always posted in bold (methinks he doth protest too much), but somewhere deep inside he really, really loves the idea that Mitch McConnell's GOP has somehow magically produced a solution to all these myriad problems, and all we hafta do is vote for it. And here we are inconveniently pointing out that Trump and Harris are just Alan Alda and Loretta Swit playing characters, and getting their paychecks from the same place.

Swit always knew her character Hot Lips would be outwitted by Alda's character Hawkeye. So? It was a good job to have. Harris would say the same.

All political thinking for years past has been vitiated (destroyed) in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.

Even the painfully obvious fact that most of these problems were begun, continued or accelerated by the Trump administration. Warp speed. Imported aliens. Drag queens in libraries. This inflation...

This psyop is turning grown ass men into people who cry over soap operas.

 

[ClaytonB]

I think he just can't or won't believe humans can be so evil as to be that conniving.

I have explicitly conceded that it is possible Trump is just going to betray everything he whooped up for 47 if he gets in. So no, it's definitely not true that I "can't or won't believe humans can be so evil."

I would bet you that you have never heard even one sermon like the sermons I sat through as a child. That was my whole childhood. You never heard one.

No, Clayton, it is a matter of love. All our souls are in the balance. We have a right to worry about you.

Please, spare me the concern-trolling.

You get more flies with honey than vinegar. Or tired pulpit slogans either, because I think people can see that the silly sectarian differences won't matter.

We haven't even begun to get heavy. You're on a 4-year cycle. I now know that I've been at this thing since my eyes first opened...

 

[vita3]

How come modern Evangelicals don't try to convert Jews anymore?

 

[acptulsa]

We haven't even begun to get heavy. You're on a 4-year cycle. I now know that I've been at this thing since my eyes first opened...

Cue the dick-waving.

I voted for Ron Paul in 1988. Bring it.

Or better yet, try to lighten up before you go to church. Don't blame me if you're irritable.

How come modern Evangelicals don't try to convert Jews anymore?

In Russia Christians convert Jews. In America Christians are converted by Zionists!

/Yakov Smirnoff voice

 

[ClaytonB]

That's the crux. Intellectually he believes he isn't a Trumper, as he has always posted in bold (methinks he doth protest too much), but somewhere deep inside he really, really loves the idea that Mitch McConnell's GOP has somehow magically produced a solution to all these myriad problems, and all we hafta do is vote for it. And here we are inconveniently pointing out that Trump and Harris are just Alan Alda and Loretta Swit playing characters, and getting their paychecks from the same place.

Swit always knew her character Hot Lips would be outwitted by Alda's character Hawkeye. So? It was a good job to have. Harris would say the same.



Even the painfully obvious fact that most of these problems were begun, continued or accelerated by the Trump administration. Warp speed. Imported aliens. Drag queens in libraries. This inflation...

This psyop is turning grown ass men into people who cry over soap operas.

Everything you wrote here describes some phantasm that exists only in your own mind. Not a single word of that describes me. I support Trump for 47. That's it. I concede practically every criticism of Trump that is made, but I will not go along with the perspective-less inferences that people who are rabidly anti-Trump want to draw from those criticisms. I agree, Trump should not have done a bump-stock ban. It's also one of the least consequential issues I can possibly imagine in 2024.

And you're absolutely right, again, in bold red underline: I AM NOT A TRUMPER.

 

[vita3]

In Russia Christians convert Jews. In America Christians are converted by Zionists!

/Yakov Smirnoff voice


Thank you comrade

 

[ClaytonB]

I love you, but you're WRONG and it's really sad.//

<snipped personal drama-stuff>

You believe I'm wrong. I believe you're wrong. That's called a disagreement, and those are the rule in a free society, not the exception. So, I'm looking for a world where we can disagree and still be free. I hope that Trump could be a strategic ally in undoing some of the post-9/11 tyranny... it's the kind of tyranny that's going to take something more substantial than Mr.-Jefferson-Goes-To-Washington piety to undo. The local, homegrown, corn-fed, "Aw shucks" purist isn't going to hack it in the den of vipers that is Washington, DC. Is Trump the man to do it? I don't know. 45 was a draw, on the most charitable interpretation. But I have hope. So, I hope that he will beat back the Swamp for real this time. I could be wrong. In that case, we have two horror-scenarios. Horror-scenario 1 is Harris/Walz. I don't need to elaborate any further on that. Horror-scenario 2 is Trump 47, betraying everything he has said since 2016. That's possible, but I don't think it proves whatever you're trying to prove here, since it means that things are about to get heavy for real, whether anybody considers that dick-waving or not. I'm not here to help you cope with the truth, I'm just here to deliver the truth in the hopes that, by any means, it might help some people (lurkers) spread the message more effectively and contribute to America escaping the worst-case scenario. It's going to be bad no matter what. I just want to avoid the absolute worst-case scenario. People really do not understand just how bad it can get. CCP takeover of the US would be an absolute Utopia compared to what I see coming. No one is ready. No string of words I could write here would be "too heavy".

 

[acptulsa]

I agree, Trump should not have done a bump-stock ban. It's also one of the least consequential issues I can possibly imagine in 2024.

What did I say about that?

[MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] I think he fell in love with a scarecrow.

So you pick out one thing of many, which no one else is even talking about, and which you admit doesn't cause you any discomfort. And whenever someone points out anything, you point to that.

You're clinging. You're using bump stocks as this:

You don't need to have that faith in the man which you claim you don't have and don't want. Not if you really have God. Your words are wise, but if you believed your own wisdom you'd have more serenity than this.

 

[acptulsa]

In Russia Christians convert Jews. In America Christians are converted by Zionists!

/Yakov Smirnoff voice


Thank you comrade